Summer 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[alwaysaclaret]

On the subject of signing players from League One, I remember speaking to Steve Cotterill on the day we signed both Wade Elliott and Garreth O'Connor. I asked how pleased he was with them and he said pleased but no more because you never know whether a player will adapt to a higher division. He also said, you can't bring in too many from below because if you do you will end up there.

I suppose he had mixed success with that - Duff & Elliott on one side for sure and O'Connor & Spicer on the other.

I don't know too much about Twine to be honest, he plays for a club I'm not inclined to rush to see (although enjoyed watching Wycombe beating them in the play-offs) but I do know he's been getting positive reports.

Hard to believe though that having scored 20 last season and also got 13 assists, that he wouldn't be able to make the step up, I've got a feeling we could just unearth a gem if we could get him on board and with a few quality players around him, one such player that would fit that criteria for me would be the proven jed Wallace, I for one hope we can bring these 2 in, would be brilliant imo.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I still think Cork & Brownhill are PL class and will dominate Championship midfields. I honestly doubt we’d have gone down had Cork played a full season. Let’s not get started on Brownhill as we know your views but I think you’ll find he looks a class above in the Championship.

But an addition like Cullen or Lokonga - would prefer the latter but maybe not when you consider it’d only be a loan would be great too.

I think there both pretty far away from premier league class.

They are on par with West Brom’s CMs and look where they finished.

It’s the number one position for me

[jedi_master]

Being linked with Majeed Ashimeru from Anderlecht.

It’s getting a bit overwhelming this with the amount of names.

[Hedontplayforyou]

It’s a nice change from being in the dark

[alwaysaclaret]

Twine, Wallace, Cullen, Harwood Bellis, Mcnally and a starting striker, all on permanent deals, will be a very good window. Hopefully we can shift Brownhill to make room for another CM to start alongside Cullen. Keep Mcneil and Pope. Sell Brownhill, Collins, Cornet, Weghorst.

Get north of 30m for Pope, plus the big earners off the wage bill will sort the debt out for now. Twine and Wallace would be fantastic signings imo, and possibly Harwood bellis and 1 of either mcattee or delap from city,would be a great window, it's imperative we try and keep a clutch of our best players imo, for continuity and to help the new ones bed in, for me would be brownhill, cornet and McNeil, and finally hope vk can help 2 or 3 progress from the u23s. Job 2/3rds done.

[Zlatan]

Spoke to someone at Swindon who was involved with Twine when he was there. Good feet (can use both); eye for the goal; and intelligent player who brings others into play. Downsides - for quite sometime he thought he was better than where he was and wanted away - looks like he has developed since then; and also lightweight and pushed of the ball too easily. After watching the show reel linked above, I can see what they meant about being pushed off the ball, but still - room to develop.

[KefkaClaret]

Pope to Newcastle, 8-10m https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... 1655807892

[nyclaret]

Telegraph reporting that Newcastle are close to signing Pope.

[Quickenthetempo]

Spoke to someone at Swindon who was involved with Twine when he was there. Good feet (can use both); eye for the goal; and intelligent player who brings others into play. Downsides - for quite sometime he thought he was better than where he was and wanted away - looks like he has developed since then; and also lightweight and pushed of the ball too easily. After watching the show reel linked above, I can see what they meant about being pushed off the ball, but still - room to develop.

If you don't have that confidence in yourself you will never make it higher up.

[williamjblazkowicz]

Newcastle close to signing Pope according to The Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... nick-pope/

"The deal will cost Newcastle between £8m-10m..."

I beg your pardon? I'm almost offended, lol.

Edit -- doh, beaten to it!

[RVclaret]

8-10m for Pope. Some posters on here will have a heart attack. If you are reading this, make sure you are sat down.

[eastcoastclaret]

Pope to Newcastle, 8-10m https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... 1655807892

8 million??

[RVclaret]

Think that suggests the extra year contract is in his favour rather than ours, so only a year left on his contract essentially

[Jambo]

I didn't think we would have loads of options for selling Pope but £10m sounds very very low to me. I was hoping we'd get £20m+

[Woodleyclaret]

Nick Pope is a £40 m keeper
Tell anyone that's the price no negotiation and if its Newcastle all the money at once, none of this never never payment nonsense

[NewClaret]

8 million??

If we sell Pope to the richest club in the world for £8m we need our heads looking at.

Hopefully the reporter meant he will cost £8-10m “as the first instalment”.

[NewClaret]

Think that suggests the extra year contract is in his favour rather than ours, so only a year left on his contract essentially

That would be the only explanation.

[Quickenthetempo]

8-10m for Pope. Some posters on here will have a heart attack. If you are reading this, make sure you are sat down.

If it's true, Pace will be the most unwelcome man in Burnley.

[jedi_master]

If we’ve really sold Nick Pope for £8-10m, then I seriously need to question Alan Pace’s Wall St credentials.

Whatever the market, a 30 year old England International with 2 years on his contract (well, 1+1 in our favour, apparently) commands £20m for anyone even remotely capable of negotiation, especially with one of the richest clubs in the Solar System.

[Oldparkwood]

Cant see the sense in selling him for that. We may as well keep him.

[NewClaret]

Think that suggests the extra year contract is in his favour rather than ours, so only a year left on his contract essentially

The other, more likely explanation, imo is that the extension is in our favour but journo’s research these things poorly, think he’s only got a year, so make a low number up.

For £8m I’d rather we keep him!

[RVclaret]

The other, more likely explanation, imo is that the extension is in our favour but journo’s research these things poorly, think he’s only got a year, so make a low number up.

For £8m I’d rather we keep him!

Have you considered that Pope wants to stay in the PL and, let’s be honest, absolutely deserves to be there? I think after what he has done for us, we owe him some goodwill on dealing at a lower number than perhaps we’d want. I’ve explained countless times on this thread that this deal was in Newcastle’s favour and every time got shot down.

[eastcoastclaret]

Those Newcastle fans will be along any moment now

[ClaretAL]

Have you considered that Pope wants to stay in the PL and, let’s be honest, absolutely deserves to be there? I think after what he has done for us, we owe him some goodwill on dealing at a lower number than perhaps we’d want. I’ve explained countless times on this thread that this deal was in Newcastle’s favour and every time got shot down.

There is no sentiment in business.

[Lancasterclaret]

He might not want to stay, in fact I'm sure he doesn't

We'll get more than £10 million for him I think but it will be "undisclosed"

[Newcastleclaret93]

If we sell Pope to the richest club in the world for £8m we need our heads looking at.

Hopefully the reporter meant he will cost £8-10m “as the first instalment”.

Think this could be an expensive wager for you

[RVclaret]

Rumour on twitter clarets that Scott Twine was at our training ground this morning, from someone who was there

[BurnleyFC]

If we sell Pope to the richest club in the world for £8m we need our heads looking at.

Hopefully the reporter meant he will cost £8-10m “as the first instalment”.

Don’t worry about it. Alan knows what he’s doing, he was a banker after all

[Lancasterclaret]

Course, and I know people hate this being mentioned, but we might need £10 million really quickly for reasons that have been discussed on here for some time

[jedi_master]

Have you considered that Pope wants to stay in the PL and, let’s be honest, absolutely deserves to be there? I think after what he has done for us, we owe him some goodwill on dealing at a lower number than perhaps we’d want. I’ve explained countless times on this thread that this deal was in Newcastle’s favour and every time got shot down.

We owe him nothing RV. We took a gamble on a lad from Charlton and turned him into an England international whilst making him a multi millionaire. We’ve been as good for each other as anything else, it’s not a one owes the other situation here. We’re also in mountains of debt and need to service it - this isn’t a time for sentimentality (not that it exists in football anyway).

The deal was in Newcastle’s favour only in that the player absolutely would want to go there and that seemingly no other clubs were interested, that does not mean you bend over and say “Ah yeah, give us roughly what we got paid for Sam Vokes by Championship Stoke City, that’ll do guys”. If it did, Newcastle could have offered £500,000 and the same logic would apply. It’s still mid-June, let them sweat it out till mid July if they’re going to lowball.

I know you’re a Pace acolyte and will generally try to defend almost anything he does (not an insult intentionally I hasten to add, just an observation - you’d be fair to say I’m the opposite but I do try to give credit to him where it’s due, I.e Kompany being appointed), but are you seriously going to sit there and say that £8m for Nick Pope is an acceptable transfer? Even if the year option is not in Burnley’s favour? Come on now.

[jedi_master]

Course, and I know people hate this being mentioned, but we might need £10 million really quickly for reasons that have been discussed on here for some time

Yeah and that is probably the case as it’s the only reason anyone would take such a pathetic figure for a player like Nick Pope. If that is indeed the case, what a shambles of a situation.

[Jambo]

You don't have to be some sort of 4D chess genius to understand why we might sell Pope for £10m now rather than wait a month to see if the price comes up. Newcastle would just move on to someone else and our budget this summer will be dependent on sales, not to mention loan payments.

It's a very disappointing fee if true but I suppose we can put it in context - paid £1m for him and he has been one of our best goalies ever.

[RVclaret]

You don't have to be some sort of 4D chess genius to understand why we might sell Pope for £10m now rather than wait a month to see if the price comes up. Newcastle would just move on to someone else and our budget this summer will be dependent on sales, not to mention loan payments.

It's a very disappointing fee if true but I suppose we can put it in context - paid £1m for him and he has been one of our best goalies ever.

Great post Jambo and @ Jedi this is nothing to do with me defending Pace here whatsoever, more to do with having an understanding of how football transfers work and when there’s only 1 club who will take him, we have zero (0) leverage in the deal. Jambo sums it up perfectly. It is a disappointing fee, I was hoping for min 15.

[jedi_master]

You don't have to be some sort of 4D chess genius to understand why we might sell Pope for £10m now rather than wait a month to see if the price comes up. Newcastle would just move on to someone else and our budget this summer will be dependent on sales, not to mention loan payments.

It's a very disappointing fee if true but I suppose we can put it in context - paid £1m for him and he has been one of our best goalies ever.

Possibly the case Jambo but would need to know the status of the years option. If it was in our favour (and, personally, I imagine it was - you don’t seem to hear many of these ‘options’ in contracts being player decision based, I never had until this summer personally) I’d have been confident in still getting this same figure next summer.

The only possible reason is an urgent need for cash in my opinion, as suggested by Lancaster.

[BurnleyFC]

You don't have to be some sort of 4D chess genius to understand why we might sell Pope for £10m now rather than wait a month to see if the price comes up. Newcastle would just move on to someone else and our budget this summer will be dependent on sales, not to mention loan payments.

It's a very disappointing fee if true but I suppose we can put it in context - paid £1m for him and he has been one of our best goalies ever.

It doesn’t really matter what he cost in the first instance - he’s worth far more than £8m.

As jedi says, if he goes for anything like that amount then it’s a disgrace.

[ClaretTony]

Hard to believe though that having scored 20 last season and also got 13 assists, that he wouldn't be able to make the step up, I've got a feeling we could just unearth a gem if we could get him on board and with a few quality players around him, one such player that would fit that criteria for me would be the proven jed Wallace, I for one hope we can bring these 2 in, would be brilliant imo.

I wasn't making that point, I was saying you can't bring in too many from below.

[hoskinsgoalatswansea]

Have you considered that Pope wants to stay in the PL and, let’s be honest, absolutely deserves to be there? I think after what he has done for us, we owe him some goodwill on dealing at a lower number than perhaps we’d want. I’ve explained countless times on this thread that this deal was in Newcastle’s favour and every time got shot down.

What absolute twaddle! ‘Goodwill’ is letting a well thought of ex-player train with us whilst he’s looking for a new club. It most certainly isn’t letting them leave on the cheap. Regardless of what they’ve done for us, and whether they want to stay in the premier league or not.

Pope is an excellent goalkeeper and an England international. He’s still under contract, and if we are selling we should be maximising the sale price to the benefit of Burnley football club.

[Cleveleys_claret]

What people seem to forget is Pope's wages have maybe took a hit of 40%. Are we expected to still have a Premier League price tag on him whilst paying him Championship wages.

Yes these clauses are needed in case we get relegated and why most clubs have them, but with certain players we should still be paying them top flight wages. All it does by cutting their wages is unsettle a player, of course they are going to explore their options. Sadly as soon as they start looking at other options, they realise they can double what they are getting here, plus a hefty signing on bonus. And then we kind of just have to accept the best of a bad bunch of offers with clubs knowing the player wants a move now

[Zlatan]

There is no sentiment in business.

True, but purposefully stifling a players ambition to play at the highest level possible (in Pope's eyes that is the World Cup this year!) will not send out a good message to these other "young and upcoming players" who we want to also profit from as they also develop. Its our business model, always has been.

We should have cashed in on Tarkowski when we had the chance to as well, but didn't. You could argue that keeping Tarkowski kept us up there, you cant use that for Pope.

If he has 1 year left, that is a good price unfortunately, and arguing that we deserve £40M instead is ridiculous.

[Jambo]

I'd assumed the option was in our favour too. The other thing to keep in mind here is that local media often report the fee lower - it's in Newcastle's interests to brief their press that they've got a good deal, especially when everyone knows they're loaded. It'll almost certainly be officially undisclosed but I wouldn't be surprised to see higher fees reported at our end, maybe taking into account bonuses/clauses etc

Btw he is "worth" whatever someone is willing to pay, that's how markets work... We might value him at £40m but if other clubs don't, he's not.

As for keeping him - I love Pope as much as anyone but if we are going to change style completely and start asking our goalie/defence to play out from the back, it would likely be a tricky period of adaptation for him at least.

[Cleveleys_claret]

I would also hazard a guess that this will be undisclosed if its Newcastle and they will want to feed the media with a lowball figure for Pope to try to show they are master negotiators. I won't believe figures bandied about and would add 25%-50% on whatever the media tell us the price was

[KefkaClaret]

I think the price is on the low end but the idea of getting 30m is delusions of grandeur. Pickford joined Everton for 25m when he was 23 years old and highly rated. Maybe we could have got 15m for him but anything above that for 30+ goalkeeper is unrealistic.

[Lancasterclaret]

I think the price is on the low end but the idea of getting 30m is delusions of grandeur. Pickford joined Everton for 25m when he was 23 years old and highly rated. Maybe we could have got 15m for him but anything above that for 30+ goalkeeper is unrealistic.

30 Plus?

He's 30

In goalkeeping terms, its absolute prime

I'm not worried, we'll get more than £10 million for him

[RVclaret]

For what it’s worth Nixon reckons 10 won’t be enough

[agreenwood]

Stop getting so angry based on speculation

[randomclaret2]

£8m for Pope and Tarkowski eh...the club have played a blinder

[Tricky Trevor]

Age is irrelevant at 30. He has years in front of him. He obviously wants to be in the PL in a World Cup year but we don’t want our pants taken down by anybody. For his service we should listen to sensible offers but as he might not even make the World Cup squad I’d hold him if we don’t get one.

[claretonthecoast1882]

£8m for Pope and Tarkowski eh...the club have played a blinder

Of course nobody would have moaned had we sold Tarks and accused the club of taking money and ending any hope of staying up

Bit like now being told we shouldn't sell Collins

[daveisaclaret]

It'd be disappointing to lose him for the mooted figure but the fact is you can't be a club that brings in players, develops them and sells them for profit if you refuse to sell them when the profit isn't "enough."

You don't make any money and you might put off the next round of good players.

[NewClaret]

Think this could be an expensive wager for you

There’s time yet mate

Although will be happy to make a donation to a good cause in any event. Would rather see you make one though