Summer 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[Lancasterclaret]

So you are not excited with us signing Twine? Ask fans from any other Championship club and they'd tell you he would improve them.

Thats not what I said is it?

I think its a great signing, exactly what we should be doing

But we also lost the spine of the side, and that is going to take some replacing, and that is why I'm realistic rather than just assuming that we won't even notice they have gone

[KRBFC]

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23 year old midfielder from Rotherham? I hope we're a little more adventurous and seeking better quality than that.

[taio]

Thats not what I said is it?

I think its a great signing, exactly what we should be doing

But we also lost the spine of the side, and that is going to take some replacing, and that is why I'm realistic rather than just assuming that we won't even notice they have gone

Absolutely right - Pope, Tarkowski and Mee will take some replacing - but nevertheless we have to expect we will be challenging for promotion...that's realistic.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Absolutely right - Pope, Tarkowski and Mee will take some replacing - but nevertheless we have to expect we will be challenging for promotion...that's realistic.

Agreed, anything less will be an underwhelming season

[Lancasterclaret]

Absolutely right - Pope, Tarkowski and Mee will take some replacing - but nevertheless we have to expect we will be challenging for promotion...that's realistic.

Oh we will be challenging, but I want some realism at the start because its going to take time to gel everyone together into an effective team

I'm genuinely looking forward to it, but we are going to have to be patient

[Colburn_Claret]

The is a really good point - much easier to make signings and to take a risk in the Championship than the Premier League. Feels like the shackles are off to some extent and I like it that Pace and Kompany are looking for youth - it's risky but the right strategy given we've still got plenty of experience in the squad.

There was a story out a couple of days ago, re the guy who just quit Liverpool, and was their guru for signings. It went on about all the technology in use to determine the strengths and abilities of players. This was a much mooted point when ALK took over, with AI Scout etc. We have heard that a lot of this has been built into our recruitment. So just maybe these young signings aren't as big a risk as some believe.
I'm sure it is something that VK will be aware of and comfortable with.

[KRBFC]

Oxford defender, Burton defender, Rotherham midfielder, MK Dons midfielder.

Seems our new shopping ground is League One, can't be many from League One who are successful in the PL.

I like Twine but he's an exception because he was the standout player in the league.

Europe in 5 years? this teams needs serious serious improvement in central midfield and striker before I'd have any confidence of us getting out of this division within 5 years let alone Europe.

[Colburn_Claret]

I'm wondering if we've already signed our second player, but the club are wanting to spread the announcements out over a few days.

Posted earlier, Scott Twines interview was filmed on Friday, so quite possible.

[AwayClaret]

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh bang.

[KRBFC]

There was a story out a couple of days ago, re the guy who just quit Liverpool, and was their guru for signings. It went on about all the technology in use to determine the strengths and abilities of players. This was a much mooted point when ALK took over, with AI Scout etc. We have heard that a lot of this has been built into our recruitment. So just maybe these young signings aren't as big a risk as some believe.
I'm sure it is something that VK will be aware of and comfortable with.

Are you aware of what AI Scout is? It's an app for amateurs to upload videos of themselves playing football, I highly doubt Scott Twine was uploading his goals on there lol.

[claretandy]

Oxford defender, Burton defender, Rotherham midfielder, MK Dons midfielder.

Seems our new shopping ground is League One, can't be many from League One who are successful in the PL.

I like Twine but he's an exception because he was the standout player in the league.

Europe in 5 years? this teams needs serious serious improvement in central midfield and striker before I'd have any confidence of us getting out of this division within 5 years let alone Europe.

It's a better strategy than waiting for Peterborough or Brentford to sign them for peanuts, and then having to pay top dollar for them.

[taio]

There was a story out a couple of days ago, re the guy who just quit Liverpool, and was their guru for signings. It went on about all the technology in use to determine the strengths and abilities of players. This was a much mooted point when ALK took over, with AI Scout etc. We have heard that a lot of this has been built into our recruitment. So just maybe these young signings aren't as big a risk as some believe.
I'm sure it is something that VK will be aware of and comfortable with.

This feels right - it feels like there's a plan and Pace and Kompany are aligned. There's high risk involved - I'm probably stating the obvious - but if it works the rewards will be great. I can't see there being much middle ground.

[Colburn_Claret]

Are you aware of what AI Scout is? It's an app for amateurs to upload videos of themselves playing football, I highly doubt Scott Twine was uploading his goals on there lol.

I am, but I'm not aware of what the trade name of these software apps, so just used Ai scout as some example.
The point is, there is a lot more that the scouts can work on, other than he had a good season in league 1.
Vk said they'd been looking at Twine for a long time. I suspect we will have been looking at our other targets just as long.

[Smile]

There was a story out a couple of days ago, re the guy who just quit Liverpool, and was their guru for signings. It went on about all the technology in use to determine the strengths and abilities of players. This was a much mooted point when ALK took over, with AI Scout etc. We have heard that a lot of this has been built into our recruitment. So just maybe these young signings aren't as big a risk as some believe.
I'm sure it is something that VK will be aware of and comfortable with.

Yep. As someone who is into their stats and metrics, I'm liking the direction that Pace & Kompany are going. It of course doesn't rule out thinking, but it's very nice to back up and agree with what you think is right.

[KRBFC]

It's a better strategy than waiting for Peterborough or Brentford to sign them for peanuts, and then having to pay top dollar for them.

I can only think of Watkins and Toney though, not a huge success rate.

[tiger76]

Oxford defender, Burton defender, Rotherham midfielder, MK Dons midfielder.

Seems our new shopping ground is League One, can't be many from League One who are successful in the PL.

I like Twine but he's an exception because he was the standout player in the league.

Europe in 5 years? this teams needs serious serious improvement in central midfield and striker before I'd have any confidence of us getting out of this division within 5 years let alone Europe.

Yes but we're not in the PL are we, and all those mentioned fit the template that Kompany and Pace are working towards, buy cheap develop and then sell on a good money.

No transfer policy is 100% successful, but given our present situation it's likely the best we can expect.

Weren't you one of those looking to lower our average age and bring fresh blood into the club. well although unproven, all those we've been linked to fulfil both those criteria's, so if you aren't happy with where we're shopping then I fear your in for disappointment.

[RVclaret]

I can only think of Watkins and Toney though, not a huge success rate.

Tarkowski, Gray? I’m sure there will be more.

[IanMcL]

Is it just me, or are we signing every centreback you could name?

[tiger76]

Is it just me, or are we signing every centreback you could name?

We haven't actually signed any yet, but we're being linked to lots that's for sure, inevitable given we've lost Mee and Tarks, and Collins might also depart.

[tiger76]

Tarkowski, Gray? I’m sure there will be more.

Ings.

[KRBFC]

Yes but we're not in the PL are we, and all those mentioned fit the template that Kompany and Pace are working towards, buy cheap develop and then sell on a good money.

No transfer policy is 100% successful, but given our present situation it's likely the best we can expect.

Weren't you one of those looking to lower our average age and bring fresh blood into the club. well although unproven, all those we've been linked to fulfil both those criteria's, so if you aren't happy with where we're shopping then I fear your in for disappointment.

I like Twine, Harwood Bellis and Egan-Riley.

I'm not convinced with a 23 year old Rotherham midfielder, we need a serious improvement in that area. It surely can't all be skimp and scrape and pray it works, we need some more quality. Younger players who are most established but will cost a bit more. For a start we need a goalscorer, Piroe is 22 year old, young enough but he'll cost probably £10m-13m. I have a feeling we aren't gonna reinvest those type of fees, leave ourselves short of quality in key areas and just pray a cheap option can do something.

[KRBFC]

Tarkowski, Gray? I’m sure there will be more.

Both were signed from Championship Brentford for smallish fees.

[RVclaret]

Both were signed from Championship Brentford for smallish fees.

Meant where they signed them originally, was from the lower leagues.

Im sure there will be some overseas signings too, I was thinking they’ve focused efforts on domestic now so they are quick in the building, I take it Europeans may have work permit delays…

[KRBFC]

Ings.

Ings is a bad example, took him like 2 years after signing to kick on. We need these guys to make an instant impact.

[pushpinpussy]

i get the feeling this is going to end badly like the Howey, Blatherwick, Ford and Winstanley signings.

[elwaclaret]

I like Twine, Harwood Bellis and Egan-Riley.

I'm not convinced with a 23 year old Rotherham midfielder, we need a serious improvement in that area. It surely can't all be skimp and scrape and pray it works, we need some more quality. Younger players who are most established but will cost a bit more. For a start we need a goalscorer, Piroe is 22 year old, young enough but he'll cost probably £10m-13m. I have a feeling we aren't gonna reinvest those type of fees, leave ourselves short of quality in key areas and just pray a cheap option can do something.

I can imagine how underwhelmed you’d have been signing Frank Casper from Rotherham, or Peter Noble from Swindon. Let him kick a ball for us before you decide he’s crap, perhaps?

[tiger76]

I like Twine, Harwood Bellis and Egan-Riley.

I'm not convinced with a 23 year old Rotherham midfielder, we need a serious improvement in that area. It surely can't all be skimp and scrape and pray it works, we need some more quality. Younger players who are most established but will cost a bit more. For a start we need a goalscorer, Piroe is 22 year old, young enough but he'll cost probably £10m-13m. I have a feeling we aren't gonna reinvest those type of fees, leave ourselves short of quality in key areas and just pray a cheap option can do something.

I appreciate your arguments, and we do need to improve our CM, Twine is a good capture out wide, and TBH I think he'll be our marquee summer signing at £5m.

Just looked up Piroe, impressive numbers for Swansea, but there's no way we're going to fork out £10m+ on a Championship striker, if that's the kind of signings you're expecting you're going to be in for a rude awakening, even in the PL we rarely paid out those sort of fees, so I'll be staggered if we spend big money now we're in the Championship

[elwaclaret]

i get the feeling this is going to end badly like the Howey, Blatherwick, Ford and Winstanley signings.

How does Winstanley end up on a list with Howey and Blatherwick? There are a hell of a lot of players more fitting for that company than Mark Winstanley.

[winsomeyen]

i get the feeling this is going to end badly like the Howey, Blatherwick, Ford and Winstanley signings.

Why not try to think positive?

[Ric_C]

Think the one position we could take a gamble on in terms of high price is a striker. Remember when we splashed 6 million on Grey and everyone spat their brew out? He was the difference that season alongside Barton.

Strikers are a lot easier to make a profit on if you find the right ones at the right age.

[Elizabeth]

I am quite content in reading comments expressing excitement at what's happening on the recruitment side of the club.

This description of posters as negative is tedious in the extreme and total emotional fallout based on disappointment that others are not as excited.

It will be a new team led by a new manager in a new league.

No one knows how the new team will gel.
No one knows how good the new manager will be.
No one knows how difficult the new league will be.

That is everybody but the resident know it alls and they do not hide under a bush which always provides me with entertainment.

[tiger76]

Why not try to think positive?

Bizarre isn't it, and if fans can't have positive thoughts before we've even kicked a ball under Kompany, then he's going to be in for a tough time if and when we lose a game or two.

It's a huge overhaul he's responsible for, and it's bound to take time, therefore patience will be required.

[taio]

I like Twine, Harwood Bellis and Egan-Riley.

I'm not convinced with a 23 year old Rotherham midfielder, we need a serious improvement in that area. It surely can't all be skimp and scrape and pray it works, we need some more quality. Younger players who are most established but will cost a bit more. For a start we need a goalscorer, Piroe is 22 year old, young enough but he'll cost probably £10m-13m. I have a feeling we aren't gonna reinvest those type of fees, leave ourselves short of quality in key areas and just pray a cheap option can do something.

I agree - this is where I think we need to invest heavily. A prolific forward makes the difference in the Championship. We need to wheel and deal and take risks based on potential elsewhere but a striker that contrasts with Rodriguez and Barnes feels important.

[KRBFC]

I appreciate your arguments, and we do need to improve our CM, Twine is a good capture out wide, and TBH I think he'll be our marquee summer signing at £5m.

Just looked up Piroe, impressive numbers for Swansea, but there's no way we're going to fork out £10m+ on a Championship striker, if that's the kind of signings you're expecting you're going to be in for a rude awakening, even in the PL we rarely paid out those sort of fees, so I'll be staggered if we spend big money now we're in the Championship

So we're gonna sell Cornet for £17.5m and replace him with a random £2m unknown?
Collins will go for £30m and be replaced by a loan player and Mcnally (£1.5m)?
Talk of Roberts going for £10m (somehow) to be replaced by Egan Riley (400k).
Pope gone for £12m, replaced by a loan from City?
Weghorst gone on loan, replaced by a youth teamer?

[KRBFC]

Think the one position we could take a gamble on in terms of high price is a striker. Remember when we splashed 6 million on Grey and everyone spat their brew out? He was the difference that season alongside Barton.

Strikers are a lot easier to make a profit on if you find the right ones at the right age.

Absolutely, I'd like to see one £10m purchase and it would be a semi proven young forward like Piroe.

[jedi_master]

I appreciate your arguments, and we do need to improve our CM, Twine is a good capture out wide, and TBH I think he'll be our marquee summer signing at £5m.

Just looked up Piroe, impressive numbers for Swansea, but there's no way we're going to fork out £10m+ on a Championship striker, if that's the kind of signings you're expecting you're going to be in for a rude awakening, even in the PL we rarely paid out those sort of fees, so I'll be staggered if we spend big money now we're in the Championship

If it were not for the debt, I think we would be signing players for those amounts. Last time we got relegated we signed Andre Gray for £9m and Joey Barton on a free transfer (albeit, on probably massive, massive wages).

We now need to cut our cloth accordingly to our new financial outlook. That will mean buying players we hope we can develop to then sell on in 12 months, further paying the debt levels down than we do this summer after we’ve sold Cornet, Weghorst, Collins, Roberts and having already sold Pope. I do not expect us to get promoted with the business we’re doing, but I’m fine with that as it appears we’re trying to get back to being a sustainable club.

I’m personally relieved to see young targets like we are as opposed to the ‘sure thing’ (which no signing ever is really) because my concern was Pace would take out further loans/really go for it this summer as a last roll of the dice type gamble at an immediate return. He does not appear to be doing that, and I for one am glad of it. People absolutely will need to show patience with this strategy though, as barring these lads all stepping up superbly I don’t think it’ll be a season of plain sailing.

[NewClaret]

Why not try to think positive?

No hope for some folk, who are only happy when they’re miserable

Very excited by Twine, great signing.

[Newcastleclaret93]

So we're gonna sell Cornet for £17.5m and replace him with a random £2m unknown?
Collins will go for £30m and be replaced by a loan player and Mcnally (£1.5m)?
Talk of Roberts going for £10m (somehow) to be replaced by Egan Riley (400k).
Pope gone for £12m, replaced by a loan from City?
Weghorst gone on loan, replaced by a youth teamer?

I imagine that is probably quite accurate. Think large swathes will go towards the debt. And hopefully a few young uns will come good

[KRBFC]

Goals win games, thats why the goalscorers go for big bucks. If Piroe knocks in another 20 next season, his price probably doubles.

[taio]

I appreciate your arguments, and we do need to improve our CM, Twine is a good capture out wide, and TBH I think he'll be our marquee summer signing at £5m.

Just looked up Piroe, impressive numbers for Swansea, but there's no way we're going to fork out £10m+ on a Championship striker, if that's the kind of signings you're expecting you're going to be in for a rude awakening, even in the PL we rarely paid out those sort of fees, so I'll be staggered if we spend big money now we're in the Championship

If we sell Collins, Cornet and/or McNeil we absolutely should be spending £10m on a striker.

[KRBFC]

If we sell Collins, Cornet and/or McNeil we absolutely should be spending £10m on a striker.

Look at what we did with Gray, he won us promotion, carried the team at times. £9m (or whatever it was in the end) got us promotion and even contributed to keeping us in the league. How much income did the goals from £9M investment earn the club? £200m+, we even sold him for double too.

[tiger76]

So we're gonna sell Cornet for £17.5m and replace him with a random £2m unknown?
Collins will go for £30m and be replaced by a loan player and Mcnally (£1.5m)?
Talk of Roberts going for £10m (somehow) to be replaced by Egan Riley (400k).
Pope gone for £12m, replaced by a loan from City?
Weghorst gone on loan, replaced by a youth teamer?

Twine might well be Cornet's replacement.
Collins may not even go yet, and if he does THB will be his replacement I guess.
If we got £10m for Roberts I'd cash in, Lowts will be fine at Champ level with a youngster as back-up.
Pope has gone yes, but we got decent money for him, and WH might be his replacement, or Muric from City if VK prefers a keeper who can play out from the back.
Weghorst won't be missed by me anyway, he's made it clear he wants away, pity we can't move him on and get a fee, but at least his wages will be off the books, as to his replacement who knows, and that might be where we decide to spend big, we'll just have to wait and see.

[Smile]

Tottenham, Everton, Brentford, West Ham and Fulham all interested in signing McNeil according to this article:
https://thetopflight.com/2022/06/26/tot ... er-league/

Monster bidding war if so.

[wilks_bfc]

Am I I understanding this correctly, some people are ok with us signing a 22yr old Twine from a L1 club that missed out on promotion, but not a 23yr old Wiles that did get promotion from L1?

[Rileybobs]

Twine might well be Cornet's replacement.
Collins may not even go yet, and if he does THB will be his replacement I guess.
If we got £10m for Roberts I'd cash in, Lowts will be fine at Champ level with a youngster as back-up.
Pope has gone yes, but we got decent money for him, and WH might be his replacement, or Muric from City if VK prefers a keeper who can play out from the back.
Weghorst won't be missed by me anyway, he's made it clear he wants away, pity we can't move him on and get a fee, but at least his wages will be off the books, as to his replacement who knows, and that might be where we decide to spend big, we'll just have to wait and see.

£10m for Conor Roberts?

[KRBFC]

Twine might well be Cornet's replacement.
Collins may not even go yet, and if he does THB will be his replacement I guess.
If we got £10m for Roberts I'd cash in, Lowts will be fine at Champ level with a youngster as back-up.
Pope has gone yes, but we got decent money for him, and WH might be his replacement, or Muric from City if VK prefers a keeper who can play out from the back.
Weghorst won't be missed by me anyway, he's made it clear he wants away, pity we can't move him on and get a fee, but at least his wages will be off the books, as to his replacement who knows, and that might be where we decide to spend big, we'll just have to wait and see.

So we're potentially gonna lose Cornet, Pope, Collins, Weghorst and Roberts.

Muric and Harwood Bellis are loans, how do they fit the young, develop, sell strategy?

22 year old Piroe's value isn't going down unless he's a complete dud for 4 years. If he scores 20 next year, his value probably doubles. Look at Collins, he cost £12m he's now worth at least double that. If you want to make money and do well with the young, develop, sell, you have to finance it properly. The standout established youngsters in this country aren't cheap.

[taio]

Look at what we did with Gray, he won us promotion, carried the team at times. £9m (or whatever it was in the end) got us promotion and even contributed to keeping us in the league. How much income did the goals from £9M investment earn the club? £200m+, we even sold him for double too.

Definitely. I remember going to Bolton and we were rubbish and then Gray scored and it felt really important at the time. That's the difference.

[RVclaret]

Tottenham, Everton, Brentford, West Ham and Fulham all interested in signing McNeil according to this article:
https://thetopflight.com/2022/06/26/tot ... er-league/

Monster bidding war if so.

He should be one who’s ’not for sale’ unless for something absolutely ridiculous. Pivotal to our promotion chances.

[tiger76]

£10m for Conor Roberts?

That's the rumoured amount yes, surprised me as well TBH, but if someone is willing to pay it then I'd definitely consider selling.

[taio]

That's the rumoured amount yes, surprised me as well TBH, but if someone is willing to pay it then I'd definitely consider selling.

No chance we get £10m for Roberts. Pie in the sky. I'd keep him because he will be good next season for us.