Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[Guller Bull]

I’m sure I could take a snippet from one post you made in the past to use it against you as well.

So your sitting on the fence. Very brave of you to criticise people that arnt.

Is it a case of sitting on the fence if the first competitive ball hasn't even got anywhere near being kicked yet?

There is a couple of you on here that seem to have this absolute rollercoaster of emotion and feel the need to over analyse every bit of news, tactics, finances, board decisions etc etc. It OK to have a point of view but constantly repeating that point of view doesn't make it stronger it just duller.

Sometimes just step back and say nothing. Just try.

[spt_claret]

Pace seems intent on accepting any offer we get for our senior pros.

Insanity.

If there's a low release clause nothing we can do.
The question should be why we had such low release clauses, or in Weghorst's case this loan-out clause. Possibly the only way we could attract the players, we've never been considered a fashionable club.

[warksclaret]

If the balance of whatever money is left on this sale,is used in a proper forward who can terrorise the Division, then thats money well reinvested. Just hope its not like the Wood sale where we know half never went back into player investment

[tiger76]

No issue with selling Collins if he wants to go, but my worry is how much of that income will be ploughed back into any new signings.

And it has to be a major concern we'll have lost Collins, Mee, Pope and Tarks, all 4 stalwarts and fairly automatic choices on the team sheet

Added to this Hennessey might well be off to Forest, and we'll be bedding in an incredibly youthful CB pairing whoever Kompany selects, and the alarm bells should be sounding for all concerned.

[CoolClaret]

Some real manic dépressives on UTC - I thought I was bad but my lord -

One day we’re walking the league, the next we’re getting our assets stripped and will be propping up the football league.

God help your significant others!

[gawthorpe_view]

Do we know for sure that Collins' contract has a release clause?

Any release clause that exceeds the value of a player might as well not be there.

[agreenwood]

Is it a case of sitting on the fence if the first competitive ball hasn't even got anywhere near being kicked yet?

There is a couple of you on here that seem to have this absolute rollercoaster of emotion and feel the need to over analyse every bit of news, tactics, finances, board decisions etc etc. It OK to have a point of view but constantly repeating that point of view doesn't make it stronger it just duller.

Sometimes just step back and say nothing. Just try.

There’s also an element of taking the most negative take on any given story as gospel.

There’ll be several variations of what we’re receiving for Collins put out there by popular journalists by the time he’s sold. You can guarantee some folk on here will take the lowest reported version of the fee as the truth.

[RVclaret]

The problem is of course we know what the significant part of this sum will be used for and unfortunately it won’t be re-investment in the playing squad.

How do you know this? The Pope money seems to have been used for 5/6 signings?

[Longsider]

Nixon tweeted an hour ago that we will settle for 30 million for Collins.

[joey13]

How do you know this? The Pope money seems to have been used for 5/6 signings?

How do you know this ?

[RVclaret]

How do you know this ?

Just an assumption based off the fact we’d made 0 signings prior to the sale, then 5 in a short space of time after it.

[taio]

Some real manic dépressives on UTC - I thought I was bad but my lord -

One day we’re walking the league, the next we’re getting our assets stripped and will be propping up the football league.

God help your significant others!

Is it the same posters who were saying those two things?

[Guller Bull]

There’s also an element of taking the most negative take on any given story as gospel.

There’ll be several variations of what we’re receiving for Collins put out there by popular journalists by the time he’s sold. You can guarantee some folk on here will take the lowest reported version of the fee as the truth.

Very true - we know we have debt to service, we know that we have to cut wages and we know that not all the money from player sales will be used upfront for new players. Given all that we have to work smart and take a few risks.

It could go swimmingly or could go ti*s uppish. Or it might be somewhere in between.. No one knows for sure, we can all speculate but it feels a bit like a competition on here at the moment to be the "most despairing" or the "chirpiest Happy clapper"

[joey13]

Just an assumption based off the fact we’d made 0 signings prior to the sale, then 5 in a short space of time after it.

Were they bought for 10 million?

[bpgburn]

Why result to degrading comments.
My opinion is that we are losing a critical member of the squad. Top talents are the difference between championship mediocrity and promotion.

We are losing one of our only genuine premier league talents, so yes I personally think this move will likely result in promotion not happening.

How is that a childish view?

From what I can make out with you, your opinions are based on which way the MB's "consensus of opinion" wind is blowing at the time.

Also what on earth made you think that promotion was nailed on in the first place up to hearing the Collins "move?

[warksclaret]

Nixon tweeted an hour ago that we will settle for 30 million for Collins.

If true thats great-it shows the club will only let him go for the right money. Can't see anyone paying this. Is he back training with us yet??

[Newcastleclaret93]

Just an assumption based off the fact we’d made 0 signings prior to the sale, then 5 in a short space of time after it.

Could it not the profit we made in January?

[Burnley Ace]

In the words of Gino D’Accampo…. If my auntie had wheels she’d be a bike.

That you’re quoting a nonsensical “Italian” from Sheffield sums it up!!

[Newcastleclaret93]

Nixon tweeted an hour ago that we will settle for 30 million for Collins.

Didn’t he say we wanted 40m for Pope?

[RVclaret]

Were they bought for 10 million?

Twine 4m, Bastien 650k, Egan Riley 350k, Mcnally 1.75m, Cullen (2.5-3m if it happens) = around £10m total

[CoolClaret]

Is it the same posters who were saying those two things?

There’s some that are overly optimistic followed by overly pessimistic with the slightest rumour yes.

Not naming names but slightly concerned for the mental health of some

[RVclaret]

Could it not the profit we made in January?

My guess is that was used to pay the 15m towards MSD already.

Not wanting to discuss finances any further…

[Newcastleclaret93]

From what I can make out with you, your opinions are based on which way the MB's "consensus of opinion" wind is blowing at the time.

Also what on earth made you think that promotion was nailed on in the first place up to hearing the Collins "move?

I think promotion is likely with Collins at the back. In my opinion he’s the best CB in this league.

[tiger76]

Nixon tweeted an hour ago that we will settle for 30 million for Collins.

£30m is about right given his lack of experience, but also his enormous potential.

And if we get that, and then invest in a striker, right winger and keeper of reasonable quality, who will be readymade starters then it might not turn out to be bad business in the long run.

But I harbour severe doubts whether we will invest in genuine quality to give us a fighting chance to mount a promotion challenge given the type of low budget signings we've already made this summer.

Potential and promoting youth is to be applauded, but not if it comes at the expense of replacing top quality Championship/lower end PL players with lower league bargains, who may or may not be capable of stepping up a level.

[Rileybobs]

How do you know this? The Pope money seems to have been used for 5/6 signings?

Well yes, we sold Pope and used the funds to bring in 5-6 cheaper players. I’m just following the logic through. We have significant debt to pay off and I don’t see how we’re going to do that without selling our highest value assets.

[gandhisflipflop]

I’m sure I could take a snippet from one post you made in the past to use it against you as well.

So your sitting on the fence. Very brave of you to criticise people that arnt.

You could probably have a field day on some of my non football related posts as I do have strong views.

In football related matters, I’m not sitting on any fence. I’ll know more when we conclude our business. Right now, one sale isn’t going to define our season.

[joey13]

Twine 4m, Bastien 650k, Egan Riley 350k, Mcnally 1.75m, Cullen (2.5-3m if it happens) = around £10m total

But you don’t pay upfront in full !

[Silkyskills1]

I think promotion is likely with Collins at the back. In my opinion he’s the best CB in this league.

How do you know he is the best CB in this league?( presumably you mean the Championship). How many others have you viewed on a regular basis to make such an informed view? And do the team with the best CB invariably get promotion?

[RVclaret]

But you don’t pay upfront in full !

Possibly same with the Pope deal…

[Newcastleclaret93]

How do you know he is the best CB in this league?( presumably you mean the Championship). How many others have you viewed on a regular basis to make such an informed view? And do the team with the best CB invariably get promotion?

Watch quite a lot of championship football and yes he is comfortably the best Cb in the league.

Teams with the best players in the league traditionally get promoted. I’m not exactly making a big statement there

[joey13]

Possibly same with the Pope deal…

I thought the Pope deal was paid in full because we needed the money , hence we only got 10 million.

[RVclaret]

I thought the Pope deal was paid in full because we needed the money , hence we only got 10 million.

Also a possible!

[jedi_master]

Why do people think (at the time) Championship Nathan Collins would insist on a release clause to entertain the thought of signing for (at the time) Premier League Burnley and no doubt doubling, if not tripling his salary?

Cornet - different matter entirely and the release clause makes absolute sense to tempt a Champions League player to Burnley. I don’t see that with a young lad from The Championship…

[bpgburn]

Watch quite a lot of championship football and yes he is comfortably the best Cb in the league.

Teams with the best players in the league traditionally get promoted. I’m not exactly making a big statement there

Please stop...

[ClaretAL]

Wow just had to read 4 pages since before my meeting later afternoon, so that escalated quickly following the Collins speculation. Some of the same names as always taking it a different direction, however, absolutely amazed at some let's say established posters comments, which tend to lend to the now lack of information being passed to them in the new regime to we are in dire straights and all money is required to sort it. I am nowhere near the truth, however I would like to think attracting VK and the FFP would have shown otherwise.

[jedi_master]

Nixon tweeted an hour ago that we will settle for 30 million for Collins.

Let’s hope he’s right, and better yet, let’s hope nobody is willing to pay that. Sadly I remember similar journalists saying we wanted £40m for Nick Pope…!

[Vegas Claret]

I'm not sure how anyone can possibly know if we're promotion contenders yet.

How do I know this? Well... we haven't played a sodding game yet!

enough already with the facts !

[NRC]

How do you know he is the best CB in this league?( presumably you mean the Championship). How many others have you viewed on a regular basis to make such an informed view? And do the team with the best CB invariably get promotion?

I'd say at a possible sale price in the realm of 30m then he's by far the best CB in the Championship. And yes, only a handful of premier league starts but you could see the standard he's at. He has the defending chops and he was showing for us how comfortable he was bringing the ball out..... and then he went and did that for Ireland.

However, our model is now very much financially/data-driven. As someone else said, that we didn't sell Tarkowski because we took the risk of keeping him to stay up is no longer a policy decision we'll take, and rightly so. Spot the talent, develop it, have the replacement in the building, sell..... and hopefully get a promotion while we're at it

[TsarBomba]

Why do people think (at the time) Championship Nathan Collins would insist on a release clause to entertain the thought of signing for (at the time) Premier League Burnley and no doubt doubling, if not tripling his salary?

Cornet - different matter entirely and the release clause makes absolute sense to tempt a Champions League player to Burnley. I don’t see that with a young lad from The Championship…

Stoke to Burnley is arguably a sideways move. Within a year we could flip places, and for Collins, we were nothing more than another stepping stone to a more established PL side.

A release clause would make absolute sense.

We blocked Tarks leaving, and agents/players talk.

[Newcastleclaret93]

James O Connor

Has just tweeted:

Nathan Collins to Wolves

Big loss for Burnley but a fantastic signing by Wolves. I think it will be a great fit for Big Nathan aswell

[agreenwood]

Watch quite a lot of championship football and yes he is comfortably the best Cb in the league.

Teams with the best players in the league traditionally get promoted. I’m not exactly making a big statement there

I reckon there’ll be about 60 centre halves with a chance of starting in the Championship next season. Some knowledge if you’ve seen them all frequently enough to declare Collins is “comfortably” better than all of them.

It’s weird tho because last time he was in the Championship his team finished 14th and he didn’t win any of the EFL or PFA end of season awards.

I’m sure he’s developed a lot in 12 months, but I’m not sure he’s now so good that he’s the difference between us getting promoted or not.

Enough of the dramatic hyberbole man.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I reckon there’ll be about 60 centre halves with a chance of starting in the Championship next season. Some knowledge if you’ve seen them all frequently enough to declare Collins is “comfortably” better than all of them.

It’s weird tho because last time he was in the Championship his team finished 14th and he didn’t win any of the EFL or PFA end of season awards.

I’m sure he’s developed a lot in 12 months, but I’m not sure he’s now so good that he’s the difference between us getting promoted or not.

Enough of the dramatic hyberbole man.

That’s your opinion.

I am of the opinion he is the best in the league.

[jedi_master]

Stoke to Burnley is arguably a sideways move. Within a year we could flip places, and for Collins, we were nothing more than another stepping stone to a more established PL side.

A release clause would make absolute sense.

We blocked Tarks leaving, and agents/players talk.

It’s absolutely possible, no doubt.

I just think the cards were in our favour in a deal like that when we signed him. The release clause is disappointing and something I really hope we haven’t utilised across the board for this summers purchases too.

[boatshed bill]

We blocked Tarks leaving, and agents/players talk.

Possibly our biggest mistake.

[Vegas Claret]

if we get close to 30 for him then that's good business. On to the next one

[CoolClaret]

Stoke to Burnley is arguably a sideways move. Within a year we could flip places, and for Collins, we were nothing more than another stepping stone to a more established PL side.

A release clause would make absolute sense.

We blocked Tarks leaving, and agents/players talk.

True but we were in the PL longer that Wolves and have achieved a better placed finish than they have in their recent years -

Also on xG differential they underperformed us and would have been relegated if we performed to our xG and they did but their keeper had an absolute amazing season.

So one could argue Wolves is also a sideways step.

[TsarBomba]

Possibly our biggest mistake.

Yep, we sell this club by not standing in a players way when they want to leave/progress.

We (should) have a good reputation for developing players over the past 5-6 years, and getting a good number of those into the England set up.

What you don’t do is do what we did with Tarks, or you end up with players/agents demanding release clauses to sign.

[gandhisflipflop]

Absolutely gutted to be losing Collins. He was the one player who I desperately wanted us to keep. I make that another cb we will need now. Someone with a bit of experience wouldn’t go a miss. I’d take Ben Davies

[Claretnick]

Yep, we sell this club by not standing in a players way when they want to leave/progress.

We (should) have a good reputation for developing players over the past 5-6 years, and getting a good number of those into the England set up.

What you don’t do is do what we did with Tarks, or you end up with players/agents demanding release clauses to sign.

And all because at that time the relationship between the Chairman and manager had broken down

[RVclaret]

Absolutely gutted to be losing Collins. He was the one player who I desperately wanted us to keep. I make that another cb we will need now. Someone with a bit of experience wouldn’t go a miss. I’d take Ben Davies

I could be wrong but I don’t believe they will target another CB. From all reports I’ve seen, Oxford fans are convinced McNally is more than good enough at this level and will be in the Prem soon. Him, Harwood Bellis, Egan Riley, Long, Thomas and Bedeau, that’s still 6 cb’s here.