Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[Spijed]

It needed a wholesale change, the club had gone stale, the fans disillusioned by the football etc.


We've had years of fans on social media bitching about the style of play, wanting the average age of the squad lowering etc and yes we've had regular demands on here from a select few for Dyche to go.

This is the best chance the club has to make those wholesale changes, reinvigorate the squad, new manager, fresh perspective and ideas etc.

It had to happen at some point, might as well be now.

Unfortunately had we made more changes whilst in the Prem we'd have probably got relegated sooner than we did.

[NewClaret]

Possibly. Nixon has been very accurate with us so far this summer and was the first to break the Wolves interest too.

Yes, credit where it’s due this summer.

Hoping he’s right in this too. And that we get more bidders for Collins now.

[Spijed]

Possibly. Nixon has been very accurate with us so far this summer and was the first to break the Wolves interest too.

If Nixon is correct then that means the Irish journalist is therefore full of rubbish.

[RVclaret]

If Nixon is correct then that means the Irish journalist is therefore full of rubbish.

Don’t think he’s a journalist - bio says head of academy in Ireland, but yes agree.

[Tall Paul]

4/5 signings reported by him. 40m was a suggestion of what we wanted. Maybe we did until we realised only Newcastle were serious bidders.

Maybe the fee was closer to £40m than £10m, nobody knows as it was undisclosed.

[It Is What It Is]

Hey! It is what it is!
A New Dawn
A New Era.
A bit like Star Wars.....In a Galaxy far far away....etc.
Keep the Faith with VK and the Board...they will deliver.
Northern Soul.....always wins out and it's forever.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Hey! It is what it is!
A New Dawn
A New Era.
A bit like Star Wars.....In a Galaxy far far away....etc.
Keep the Faith with VK and the Board...they will deliver.
Northern Soul.....always wins out and it's forever.

I must admit your posts do cheer me up

[RVclaret]

From Graeme Bailey

‘Burnley are understood to be demanding well in excess of £20m, as we understand Stoke do have a sell-on clause in the deal - but Wolves are confident of agreeing a deal.’

[MrTopTier]

In other news Liverpool have done there annual sale of an average team player. 17million for Neco Williams. Jeez.

[It Is What It Is]

€24 million to Wolves.
€9.

[boatshed bill]

I tend to share some of Dande's concerns. I'm not necesssarily against Collins going and for his age and what he's achieved, £20m + doesn't seem a terrible deal for me.

Spice,
I think we need to accept that the players who have left (or will leave) are doing so because they do not want to play in the 2nd tier on 2nd tier wages.
What can the club do about it?

[RVclaret]

In other news Liverpool have done there annual sale of an average team player. 17million for Neco Williams. Jeez.

Thought that - Forest have spent almost 60m already

[FCBurnley]

Collins will be worth 50 million after a season at Wolves. Great player and so young

[claretspice]

Spice,
I think we need to accept that the players who have left (or will leave) are doing so because they do not want to play in the 2nd tier on 2nd tier wages.
What can the club do about it?

I don't think that's the issue though. The issue isn't players leaving - although like Dan, I'm a bit surprised by the price we got for Pope, or that we don't appear to have tried harder to keep Mee. The issue isn't per se bringing in players who have the best of their careers ahead of them and can (potentially) be sold for a profit. But when both those things are happening simultaneously, and represent the only flow out and in respectively, then there has to be a question mark about whether the playing squad is being weakened too much, and the turnover of players too great, for the squad to be in the mix for an immediate promotion.

And as Dan says - without that, it's hard to see how this model is medium term sustainable. It's basically the Swansea model, without the benefit of having an enormous youth catchment like Swansea do. And they're only just sustainable even with that in built advantage of having half a country to go at.

[tiger76]

Collins will be worth 50 million after a season at Wolves. Great player and so young

Hope we insist on a decent sell on clause in that case.

[Lancasterclaret]

It does look like a fairly drastic plan to raise funds and get the squad age down, and the wage bill reduced

Course, it might not be that, but that is what it looks like, which would be in line with what people where worried about

However, it could also be that we have a lot of premier league players in our team, and there are teams interested in them, and we don't want to stand it their way

We will find out eventually but its certainly going to be one of the first games I've been to in a long while when we'll all be going "who the hell is he?" to at most of the team

[boatshed bill]

I don't think that's the issue though. The issue isn't players leaving - although like Dan, I'm a bit surprised by the price we got for Pope, or that we don't appear to have tried harder to keep Mee. The issue isn't per se bringing in players who have the best of their careers ahead of them and can (potentially) be sold for a profit. But when both those things are happening simultaneously, and represent the only flow out and in respectively, then there has to be a question mark about whether the playing squad is being weakened too much, and the turnover of players too great, for the squad to be in the mix for an immediate promotion.

And as Dan says - without that, it's hard to see how this model is medium term sustainable. It's basically the Swansea model, without the benefit of having an enormous youth catchment like Swansea do. And they're only just sustainable even with that in built advantage of having half a country to go at.

OK, I'm going to try to see a positive.
The early signings have been paid for by the sale of Nick Pope, who wanted out.
They are mainly defensive players which is no surprise as that's where we need to rebuild.
The sale of Collins may mean we can spend bigger on the next couple in. We couldn't buy Collins' replacement before knowing he was leaving, and for how much.
Talk of asset-stripping is so over the top.
And I have faith in Vincent Kompany to put out a competitive team regardless of budget.

[CoolClaret]

In other news Liverpool have done there annual sale of an average team player. 17million for Neco Williams. Jeez.

I actually find these baffling. Absolutely average & Forest are flinging big money at average players. Baffling

[RVclaret]

However, it could also be that we have a lot of premier league players in our team, and there are teams interested in them, and we don't want to stand it their way.

I think it’s basically this.

Watford have sold two of their standouts from last season already in Cucho Hernandez and Moussa Sissoko.

Dennis and Sarr are expected to leave too, with lots of PL interest, while Ben Foster has left the club.

We had/have more than a few genuine PL players. I remember threads when we stayed up discussing which players we’d take from relegated clubs. It’s an obvious shopping market.

[wilks_bfc]

In other news Liverpool have done there annual sale of an average team player. 17million for Neco Williams. Jeez.

Hopefully his brother will go for a similar if not more amount in few years

[Commy]

VK must feel like he's playing FM2022.

[Stayingup]

Interesting about Collins. He's not an established Premier League player - yet. Wven so 20 million is not enough given Stoke will have a sell on clause. Desperate times sadly for us. No money in the Bank.

[paulatky]

It won't reflect well on Vincent Kompany as an ex central defender turned manager if he assembles a squad that can't defend for a bag of toffees.

Especially as the toffees now have Keane and Tarkowski in their ranks.

Didn’t do Eddie Howe any harm

[leelad]

I'll be disappointed if Collins goes. He would benefit from a season in the Championship and he would be an integral part of the squad which VK is trying to build. But his head has been turned it seems by playing in the Prem again and if Wolves are there or thereabouts with their bid, the Burrnley should consider it and get the most money they can. Hopefully the reverse of what happened to Pope, where if you believe what you read, he was sold for a low amount.

Anyway, what I'm concerned about is how many players will be at the club on 1st September from the Dyche era. I accept wholeheartedly that the squad is going through a much needed rebuild, reset and restructure but you need players at the club who have a link to the past. Players that the new signings can look up to in some ways but bring them along. It's probably a question that may warrant it's own thread, I hope we continue to recruit in the key positions and I think we are missing forward options now, but how many more players will be sold to make this happen?

[claretspice]

OK, I'm going to try to see a positive.
The early signings have been paid for by the sale of Nick Pope, who wanted out.
They are mainly defensive players which is no surprise as that's where we need to rebuild.
The sale of Collins may mean we can spend bigger on the next couple in. We couldn't buy Collins' replacement before knowing he was leaving, and for how much.
Talk of asset-stripping is so over the top.
And I have faith in Vincent Kompany to put out a competitive team regardless of budget.

You might be right. I'm concerned but I'm still open minded. There's a long way to go before the end of August.

[boatshed bill]

You might be right. I'm concerned but I'm still open minded. There's a long way to go before the end of August.

I hope I'm right.

As someone once said "exciting times"

[Elizabeth]

Do you do stand-up?

Hopefully better than you

[Elizabeth]

Possible, though he’s hardly that experienced given his lack of game time over the years.

He's the most experienced we got and your hesitancy concerning Long , allied to your belief we don't need another CB at the club, seems to indicate you are quite happy to have a young central defensive partnership at the back.
If this is the case it worries me more than you obviously

[Vegas Claret]

He's the most experienced we got and your hesitancy concerning Long , allied to your belief we don't need another CB at the club, seems to indicate you are quite happy to have a young central defensive partnership at the back.
If this is the case it worries me more than you obviously

Taylor Harwood-Bellis has played more games in the Championship than Collins has

[Steddyman]

Interesting about Collins. He's not an established Premier League player - yet. Wven so 20 million is not enough given Stoke will have a sell on clause. Desperate times sadly for us. No money in the Bank.

Or our business model is to buy low and sell high and reinvest, which is what was touted when Alan Pace took over. If BFC have a valuation of Collins and Wolves are prepared to meet it, then a sale should be made. Simples. It doesn't matter how much money we do or do not have in the bank, if that is the business model we now operate on.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Taylor Harwood-Bellis has played more games in the Championship than Collins has

He's also played more championship games than Kevin Long...

[Woonderbah]

It'll be a real shame if we don't get to see the best of Collins in claret and blue but I guess if the sale helps to rebuild the team for a promotion push then so be it.

[CrosspoolClarets]

This is wheeler dealing like Redknapp of old.

It can work. £20m at this level can buy half a team. In the PL it buys 1 decent player.

Collins could break a leg then we have no benefit. Spreading him over 3-5 players reduces that risk.

Pains me, but probably a good thing. Also, a class act, but one of the reasons we are going down, like Cornet and Weghorst. Not knocking them, but shows how too much hope cannot be placed on one or two players.

[Vegas Claret]

He's also played more championship games than Kevin Long...

So?

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

It’s impossible to judge whether this is going to be a positive or negative thing or not at the moment.

It hinges almost solely on what happens with the money.

Firstly, there’s no way the final fee is 20.5m, it will surely be closer to 25m+.

Secondly, we need to wait and see whether VK gets the cash. If he does, then it could be a positive move for us.

I’d give it a few weeks before we jump down Pace’s throat.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

It’s impossible to judge whether this is going to be a positive or negative thing or not at the moment.

It hinges almost solely on what happens with the money.

Firstly, there’s no way the final fee is 20.5m, it will surely be closer to 25m+.

Secondly, we need to wait and see whether VK gets the cash. If he does, then it could be a positive move for us.

I’d give it a few weeks before we jump down Pace’s throat.

There’s another variable that no ones really thought of.

Pace is a financier. That’s his profession.

What if WE are feeding out the info about these low “bids” as a deliberate tactic. Pope? 10m, but final offer undisclosed. Collins, yeah only 20m. Guaranteed to be undisclosed too. Oh yeah we’re going to lose Max for “only” 17.5 and you know, we’ve got to make that “big payment” to Dell. A lot of time spent making us look broke.

Point is, if we tell people we are flush, then, let’s say, Coventry suddenly want 10m for Callum, not 5 or 6. And Muleka suddenly wants a 5 year contract at $40k a week.

Pace is a financier. He’s going to keep his cards to his chest and move money around and most likely, I’d back him to come up smelling of roses.

[claretandy]

Attendances continued to be higher than any other prolonged period in the last 40 years. The club was playing in the premier league. It's hardly like they'd been struggling in the bottom half of the championship - in my view that's absolutely the time to be taking gambles on young players who might, just outstrip their expected potential, and give you a shot at the big league. When you've got a club that's been doing that for 7 years, and still has a solid nucleus, and is performing still above the level of it's natural resources, I remain surprised that that is the time taken to decide on wholesale changes. Others will have a differing view, and that's fine, but I haven't seen much that's changed my view in this space.

We've sold more season tickets for this year in the Championship than last year in the Premier League.

[Woodleyclaret]

Personally ,I think we've made great signings and look odds on to go up next May.

[dandeclaret]

Personally ,I think we've made great signings and look odds on to go up next May.

Burnley are 4/1 to go up next May….

[BigChaCha]

Attendances continued to be higher than any other prolonged period in the last 40 years. The club was playing in the premier league. It's hardly like they'd been struggling in the bottom half of the championship - in my view that's absolutely the time to be taking gambles on young players who might, just outstrip their expected potential, and give you a shot at the big league. When you've got a club that's been doing that for 7 years, and still has a solid nucleus, and is performing still above the level of it's natural resources, I remain surprised that that is the time taken to decide on wholesale changes. Others will have a differing view, and that's fine, but I haven't seen much that's changed my view in this space.

We've sold more season tickets for this year in the Championship than last year in the Premier League.

The new board were 100% concerned about attendance metrics and the steady decline in support and empty seats which were one of the main factors in why they removed SD and hired VK and that the narrative since is about fans enjoying football again. The board want attractive football at the TUrf to attract more fans and get some of those fans that left due to the football back... That already seems to be working as claretandy alluded to and I've lost count of the number of people I know who are now planning to go back, including my 15-year-old son who left a few years ago to watch the more entertaining Accy Stanley but is now asking me to get a Burnley season ticket.

[kentonclaret]

Burnley are 4/1 to go up next May….

Entirely likely that Burnley will still be doing transfer business (ins and outs) right up until the window closes, and if we fail to make a fast winning start over the opening set of fixtures those odds will drift substantially since the bookies always over react every season.

[LawsCanalJump]

Unfortunately Collins is now too good for the championship as shown in his great performances. It hurts he is going to leave us but aslong as its invested back into the squad, it could be a positive overall
If we got £25m :- £12m striker, £8 million winger and a £5 million keeper for example (easy for me to say)

[Top Claret]

Unfortunately Collins is now too good for the championship as shown in his great performances. It hurts he is going to leave us but aslong as its invested back into the squad, it could be a positive overall
If we got £25m :- £12m striker, £8 million winger and a £5 million keeper for example (easy for me to say)

We won't be reinvesting anywhere near that back in the squad. We will probably still owe 8 on him and Stoke will take 25% of the profit, so 12 million tops

[Dark Cloud]

I really think we have to say that ultimately what we (the fans) would ideally want and what the club would ideally want, may not line up with what the player really wants. Collins has shown enough last year to prove to himself and the world that he is already a PL standard CB and at his age he's only going to get better. Like Cornet, Pope, Weghorst and Tarks, he doesn't want to waste (in his eyes) a season playing Championship football when in his prime, especially bearing in mind that he jumped from Stoke to Burnley in the first place in order to play in the PL. Some players want out and it's pointless making them stay by pricing them out of moves. We just have to accept it, get what we can for them and bring in people who want to prove something at Burnley and at the level we're now at.

[Bullabill]

Unfortunately Collins is now too good for the championship as shown in his great performances.

It was his silly handball that put us here.

[claretonthecoast1882]

You have football fans who support a team and think the Premier League is everything in football, you can't really blame players for thinking the same.

Let's hope the oracle Nixon is more accurate with his reporting on this than his childish backtracking stance on the keeper at the weekend

[northeastclaret]

Disappointing if Collins goes, but consistent with the new model we are operating to.

As VK said in one of his videos we are following the Brentford model now. So we will have to get used to this, but hopefully with success.

In fairness as well , it was under Pace that we bought Collins. So one of the first successes of this new model you could say if he goes for good money.

[blake's wand]

Would love Collins to stay, but we paid £12 for him last year, he has played about 1/3 of a season in the Prem and IF we only got £20m (plus add ons) his value has still nearly doubled in the market.

Only 5 players have ever gone to the Prem from the Championship for over £25m

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/champio ... b/0/plus/1

[northeastclaret]

The frustration is though that we know there is a top six , £50m player there we will not get the full value for and top performances in the meantime.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

It was his silly handball that put us here.

Over a 38 game season, yes of course it was the single incident that got us relegated...