Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[boyyanno]

The defense now has no leaders or experience of what it takes to get out of this division.

With such a young and inexperienced defense I would have thought an older head like Hennessey would have been ideal between the sticks.

I hope we can get the attack firing because we are going to concede a lot of goals imo.

[claretspice]

This summer and next season is turning into quite the experiment.

[Quicknick]

Gerry Peyton was 19 or 20 when he made his debut in the old first division. Superb goalkeeper. By that time, I'd have sold Stevenson and kept Peyton.

[IanMcL]

. Maatsen set for Burnley loan
Burnley have reached an agreement with Chelsea to sign Netherlands Under-21 international Ian Maatsen on a season-long loan (The Athletic)

A left back

[burnleytom]

Huddersfield have signed Kyle Hudlin....6ft 9 striker from non league. God knows how you mark him at set pieces !

Probably the same way you mark they hugely ineffective Wout Weghorst, Nicola Zigic, Jan Koller and other such lanky giants.

[Pearcey]

The defense now has no leaders or experience of what it takes to get out of this division.

With such a young and inexperienced defense I would have thought an older head like Hennessey would have been ideal between the sticks.

I hope we can get the attack firing because we are going to concede a lot of goals imo.

THB has experience and is captain of the England U21’s which suggests he’s a leader. Know what you mean though.

[forzagranata]

So Anderlecht planned to have him playing in their team in the 'Challenger League' next season - the second tier. If the Belgian first division is roughly on a level with the Championship then their second tier is about League One level.

[Andreshotboots]

Is there a possibility Long starts alongside one of the new boys?

He is after all an International defender, depsite not playing loads, and has played premier league football.

If he doens't start for us now, with the previous 3 lads in front of him all leaving, it really would be time to look for another club if football is his motivation..

[ŽižkovClaret]

Probably the same way you mark they hugely ineffective Wout Weghorst, Nicola Zigic, Jan Koller and other such lanky giants.

Dont you take Jan Koller's name in vain!

[RVclaret]

This summer and next season is turning into quite the experiment.

I reckon, from a neutral perspective, we are going from the least watched / least interesting team around, to one of the most watched / interesting. It’s quite something.

Just to add, apparently James Nursey, who reckons we will land Callum O’Hare in the next week, is pretty accurate when it comes to Midlands clubs and has good connections at Cov.

[IanMcL]

I think we will have a very strong u23 team!

[AGENT_CLARET]

The defense now has no leaders or experience of what it takes to get out of this division.

With such a young and inexperienced defense I would have thought an older head like Hennessey would have been ideal between the sticks.

I hope we can get the attack firing because we are going to concede a lot of goals imo.

Collins has played in 58 league game's in his career
TBH has played in exactly the same amount of league games and there is few months difference in age, most fans were happy for Collins to stay but aren't happy with TBH because of the lack in experience, some people need to get a grip, Cullen will play infront of the defense to protect the back line and break up play, let's enjoy a transfer window with incomings for once

[TickTock]

For Anyone who says we dont have a leader at the back I raise you THB, Captain of Englands Under - 21's all he does is lead he's also well experienced with championship football. Age != Experience.

[Murger]

Meslier was 19 when he came into the first team at Leeds and helped them get promoted. If you’re good enough..

I get the argument re experience though.

Wasn't Meslier signed after promotion?

[claret2018]

After being a retirement home for ex-Stoke players for god knows how long I’m looking forward to a bit of youthful energy in our play next season.

[RVclaret]

Wasn't Meslier signed after promotion?

Signed on loan in their promotion season. Kept seven clean sheets in 10 then they signed him permanent.

[tiger76]

Wasn't Meslier signed after promotion?

Meslier was initially signed on loan during their promotion season with an option to buy.

[Andreshotboots]

After being a retirement home for ex-Stoke players for god knows how long I’m looking forward to a bit of youthful energy in our play next season.

Agree, got a real buzz about this season. I'm in my 40's now, and used to travel all over the country pre kids etc.

The lads I used to travel with have now formed a group again, and are planning loads of away trips with over night stays etc just like the good old days.

The Premier League was unbelivable, but this is proper football!!!

[Tricky Trevor]

If, as JediMaster has posted, we are paying between €4-6m for a 19yo and have let Pope and Hennessey leave for a combined €12m that is spectacularly bad business.
Good luck to the lad but with an inexperienced defence in front of him it could turn out messy.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Is there a possibility Long starts alongside one of the new boys?

He is after all an International defender, depsite not playing loads, and has played premier league football.

If he doens't start for us now, with the previous 3 lads in front of him all leaving, it really would be time to look for another club if football is his motivation..

Be surprised if he’s not moved on this summer. Imagine he’s on a decent wage and seems we are still in the market for another centre half.

[BigChaCha]

Young defence, very weak pre-season friendly matches, players that have been thrown together for the very first time and probably won't even know every player's name for months lol, new formation, new style, new management...

I can honestly see us getting a few very severe beatings for a little while in the first third of the season... I really hope the board and fans don't panic and we give them our full support if we have a tough start to the season.

[Dark Cloud]

Is there a possibility Long starts alongside one of the new boys?

He is after all an International defender, depsite not playing loads, and has played premier league football.

If he doens't start for us now, with the previous 3 lads in front of him all leaving, it really would be time to look for another club if football is his motivation..

I definitely came round to thinking the same about Kevin Long and although I've never been his biggest fan, I did think he might just come into his own with us stepping down a tier and others leaving. BUT then I read that apparently VK wants ball playing centre backs who can play out from the back and I suddenly thought "oh dear!"

[claretspice]

For Anyone who says we dont have a leader at the back I raise you THB, Captain of Englands Under - 21's all he does is lead he's also well experienced with championship football. Age != Experience.

Experience and maturity are not the same thing. Ben Mee was a leader in making when he arrived at Burnley and he'd played championship football too. Likewise Trippier. But it took them several years to grow into the leaders they became, and they understood the game and read it better as a result.

You haven't seen everything at 21.

[Spijed]

A bit worrying that with so much inexperience currently in the likely starting eleven that even just the first few games could make or break our season.

[Mrpotatohead]

The drama queenery here is unreal.

How about we wait out and see how the lad performs when he arrives? For all any of you know he might reach the levels Pope/Heaton did but several years younger. 99% of people on here won't have any coaching qualifications or scouting experience, so let's leave it to those that do and see how it goes. If it doesn't work and starts falling apart at the seams, that's the time to get a moan on, not before the lad has even kicked a ball (or caught one).

[mkmel]

Collins has played in 58 league game's in his career
TBH has played in exactly the same amount of league games and there is few months difference in age, most fans were happy for Collins to stay but aren't happy with TBH because of the lack in experience, some people need to get a grip, Cullen will play infront of the defense to protect the back line and break up play, let's enjoy a transfer window with incomings for once

TBH it's THB not TBH

[Rileybobs]

I think it’s vital we start the season with some of our more experienced heads. I’d start Long in the back four and Cork in the midfield - even in place of Cullen for example. We need a little bit of consistency and a transition period with this huge overhaul of players.

[daveisaclaret]

How would he get a work permit?

He wouldn't, I think.

[RVclaret]

Nixon says we are ‘trying again’ when asked if we are signing O’Hare

[Rileybobs]

The drama queenery here is unreal.

How about we wait out and see how the lad performs when he arrives? For all any of you know he might reach the levels Pope/Heaton did but several years younger. 99% of people on here won't have any coaching qualifications or scouting experience, so let's leave it to those that do and see how it goes. If it doesn't work and starts falling apart at the seams, that's the time to get a moan on, not before the lad has even kicked a ball (or caught one).

Who’s moaning? Seems like some people are just voicing their valid concerns about a mammoth overhaul of the entire playing squad and staff.

[RVclaret]

He wouldn't, I think.

Yeah - I thought these were the types of players who were off the list now. But it we are pursuing it so much, then surely we’ve got advisors who are saying it will be fine?

[NewClaret]

Have to agree with others that this is the most worrying one of the lot. Firstly to spend a third/half of what we got for Pope on an unproven 19 yo and secondly to lose Hennessey for free and replace him with a young kid.

Muric would be a different prospect, I think, given he’s a bit older/more experienced.

It seems like we’ve gone polar opposite of our previous strategy to only buy aging pro’s to only buying players under 22!

[AwayClaret]

Rumours we're still in for Muric?

[kentonclaret]

Meslier was 19 when he came into the first team at Leeds and helped them get promoted. If you’re good enough..

I get the argument re experience though.

With several older heads and more experienced players in front of him like Liam Cooper and Luke Ayling.

[Quickenthetempo]

You haven't seen everything at 21.

Try telling that to a teenager.

[daveisaclaret]

Yeah - I thought these were the types of players who were off the list now. But it we are pursuing it so much, then surely we’ve got advisors who are saying it will be fine?

I've just had a look at the FA guidance and seen we could spend £5000 for an exceptions panel who would judge if "the Youth Player shows significant potential and is of sufficient quality to enhance the development of the game in England"

Obviously no idea what the chances are of that being successful but suppose someone at the club must have thoughts on it.

[It Is What It Is]

With several older heads and more experienced players in front of him like Liam Cooper and Luke Ayling.

Hanson: "You won't win anything with kids".
Prick.

[Spijed]

Hanson: "You won't win anything with kids".
Prick.

He was correct. Man U. had a very experienced central defensive partnership, along with a very experienced goalkeeper.

[agreenwood]

James Nursey from the Mirror

‘Am expecting Burnley to land Callum O'Hare from Coventry in next week. They are offering him a major pay-rise. Sky Blues could bid for Derby's Sibley if he goes’

…and Nixon confirming we’re still trying to sign him.

[Mattster]

How would he get a work permit?

He's U21 so points are awarded differently - he'd get 5 points just for making his debut plus the 10 points from playing in a Band 2 league to take him up to the required 15.

However, since he made his debut the season before that falls outside of the reference period (last 12 months) as far as I can tell so maybe it would have to go to an exceptions panel (he would meet both age and minimum points requirement for a panel, 10). Unless they would discount the JPL play-offs (where he made his debut in May 2021) in which case they could say he made his debut in the reference period.

[dandeclaret]

Hanson: "You won't win anything with kids".
Prick.

Hanson.... you won't win anything with kids....... but you might get a number one hit record.

Mmmm.



Bop.

[boyyanno]

Collins has played in 58 league game's in his career
TBH has played in exactly the same amount of league games and there is few months difference in age, most fans were happy for Collins to stay but aren't happy with TBH because of the lack in experience, some people need to get a grip, Cullen will play infront of the defense to protect the back line and break up play, let's enjoy a transfer window with incomings for once

We've literally lost Tarks, Mee, Pope, Collins and Hennessey from the defense: Multiple promotions, masses of experience at both levels and replaced them with players that have at best around 60 games collectively at this level. You need to get a grip on reality mate.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

We've literally lost Tarks, Mee, Pope, Collins and Hennessey from the defense: Multiple promotions, masses of experience at both levels and replaced them with players that have at best around 60 games collectively at this level. You need to get a grip on reality mate.

Let’s actually see them all play before jumping to conclusions.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Let’s actually see them all play before jumping to conclusions.

No lets write them off before they even kick a ball for us, makes far more sense.

[TickTock]

We've literally lost Tarks, Mee, Pope, Collins and Hennessey from the defense: Multiple promotions, masses of experience at both levels and replaced them with players that have at best around 60 games collectively at this level. You need to get a grip on reality mate.

How mature someone disagrees or provides a valid criticism of half the people on heres argument. "OH MY GOD HES RIGHT TIME FOR THE PERSONAL INSULTS". You need to grow up mate

[Spijed]

Let’s actually see them all play before jumping to conclusions.

There's a reason that even the best sides have a good balance of youth and experience in their teams.

[claretbob]

It’s like going back to the good old days. Peter Mellor at the start of the 69/70 season was 21 with no league experience with Colin Waldron(21), Sammy Todd(23) and mick Docherty(18) amongst others in front of him. Makes a change from having the oldest team in the league!

[claretspice]

Hanson: "You won't win anything with kids".
Prick.

Schmeichal, Pallister, Bruce, Irwin, Cantona were all regulars that season, and the supporting cast included Paul Parker, Brian McClair, David May. Roy Keane was in his mid-20s and had well over 100 top flight games under his belt and Andy Cole was a similar age and not too far behind in experience.

Young sides can work and if it works it'll be brilliant to watch. But the idea the United side of the mid-90s proves the point is a total myth for the birds.

[TickTock]

There's a reason that even the best sides have a good balance of youth and experience in their teams.

You do realise we still have the oldest average team in the championship with 5 players over the age of 30 we could bring in 6 more 20 year olds and still have a balanced team.

[boyyanno]

Let’s actually see them all play before jumping to conclusions.

It's like everyone has gone mad on here. No one is "jumping to conclusions" or slagging off any of our players. I don't need to see them play to know that they don't have anything like the experience of Tarks, Mee, Pope or Hennessey, it's a fact.

My own opinion is that with such a young and inexperienced defense having a keeper with Hennessey's experience (and ability), would have been a good move. That's not exactly an out their opinion is it.

Some days it feels like if we signed a paper bag you'd have posters queuing up to tell you not to write it off until you've seen it play.