Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[fidelcastro]

Watch out for Lowton not smiling on the official squad photo.

Is that because he knows he's suspended for the first couple of games?

[warksclaret]

And yet we rarely conceded from his side all season. He was replaced by Roberts for attacking intent. For what Roberts gave us going forward we conceded far more. Poor decision IMO.

But would Lowton be one of the first names on the Wales team sheet if he was Welsh

[Tricky Trevor]

But would Lowton be one of the first names on the Wales team sheet if he was Welsh

Fair point but Wales use Roberts to his strength, which is overlapping more than defending.

[Vegas Claret]

there were rumours a few weeks ago about Lowton to WBA weren't there ?

[clarethomer]

We can only sell him for £17/£18m if anyone pays that. And so far nobody has. So who knows whether we could get anything like that for him in 12 months time.

Then he stays with us or we sell him for less.

The point was that I think most Burnley fans would be prepared to welcome Cornet back should that happen. He is been nothing but respectful to the club and its fans.

However, I think the we prefer a sale as we want that money to fund other players. Im not convinces that he is actually pushing for a move but could be wrong. It seems more like we are trying to free up money to get the wage bill down and more bodies in.

[wilks_bfc]

Fair enough, I will try to keep up in future Lol !

Don’t worry about it

https://twitter.com/samhuxley/status/15 ... 1hVS48vqXg

[Newcastleclaret93]

I would be concerned if Roberts left, we surely have to start keeping some players.

[Suntan]

Roberts will be great under Kompany as the fullbacks provide the width - we should see him played to his strengths and is a must keep.

I've heard Lowton wants 1st team football and pretty sure we can't guarantee that.
Plus he's probably on a very decent wage, probably too big for someone who is backup.

It makes sense to allow him to leave for 1st team football and we sign a younger backup on much lower wages i.e. lad from Blackpool

[Vegas Claret]

Roberts was heavily linked with Wolves, I saw loads of Wolves fans asking about him on socials so maybe the link came from their end

[Newcastleclaret93]

Roberts was heavily linked with Wolves, I saw loads of Wolves fans asking about him on socials so maybe the link came from their end

I heard similar

[RVclaret]

Nixon linked Roberts with Wolves and he was accurate with the Collins link to them, I think if we get an offer somewhere close to 10m he’ll be gone?

[Rileybobs]

Nixon linked Roberts with Wolves and he was accurate with the Collins link to them, I think if we get an offer somewhere close to 10m he’ll be gone?

We only paid about £2.5m for him didn’t we? There’s no way we’ll get anything near to £10m, and if we did we should accept without giving it a second thought.

[RVclaret]

We only paid about £2.5m for him didn’t we? There’s no way we’ll get anything near to £10m, and if we did we should accept without giving it a second thought.

Yes although that was deemed a cheap deal as 1. Swansea needed cash badly 2. He was entering the final year of his contract. Full international with PL experience, I’d be hoping for 6-8m.

[IanMcL]

I am concerned that despite Mr K saying the core of players are needed and there, to protect the club culture, their are either gone, on the market, or somewhat marginalised.

Baby and bathwater comes to mind.

At the end of the process we have lost a battle hardened team of prem quality, in favour of potential to do well in the Championship and banked a few quid for the owners.

If we by chance, got promoted, would we have anything like the know how?

Fingers crossed but still willing on the Clarets.

[randomclaret2]

We only paid about £2.5m for him didn’t we? There’s no way we’ll get anything near to £10m, and if we did we should accept without giving it a second thought.

Djed Spence, a Full Back whose CV consists of 2 and a half seasons in the Championship and a couple of U21 caps has just gone from Boro to Spurs for £20m...

[daveisaclaret]

Djed Spence, a Full Back whose CV consists of 2 and a half seasons in the Championship and a couple of U21 caps has just gone from Boro to Spurs for £20m...

Strange of him not to add being in the current Championship team of the season to his CV

[Rileybobs]

Djed Spence, a Full Back whose CV consists of 2 and a half seasons in the Championship and a couple of U21 caps has just gone from Boro to Spurs for £20m...

What’s he got to do with Connor Roberts?

[randomclaret2]

What’s he got to do with Connor Roberts?

He plays in the same position, for a Championship club , and has just been transferred for £20million.

[RVclaret]

What’s he got to do with Connor Roberts?

It’s an interesting point he makes. Roberts was the best performing right wing back in the Championship when we signed him (created the 2nd most chances in the league behind Emi Buendia) and has since gone on to gain ‘Premier League experience’, plus played very well for Wales in their World Cup play offs. Spence has one good season at this level and goes for 15m+, it’s a fine comparison. I don’t want to lose him but if we do I’d hope it’s for a nice fee.

[Rileybobs]

He plays in the same position, for a Championship club , and has just been transferred for £20million.

If he’s been transferred for £20m then presumably he’s a much better player than Roberts. Not sure why their relative experience in the Championship is particularly relevant - Spurs will be more concerned about the player’s skill set. And if anything, Roberts’ stint in the Premier League won’t have done much to convince clubs in that division that he’s worth buying - and if they do it won’t be for anything like £10m.

[Rileybobs]

It’s an interesting point he makes. Roberts was the best performing right wing back in the Championship when we signed him (created the 2nd most chances in the league behind Emi Buendia) and has since gone on to gain ‘Premier League experience’, plus played very well for Wales in their World Cup play offs. Spence has one good season at this level and goes for 15m+, it’s a fine comparison. I don’t want to lose him but if we do I’d hope it’s for a nice fee.

I won’t repost my response above, most of which is relevant to your point. But what exactly has Roberts done to have quadrupled in value in 11 months?

[aggi]

Cornet in a team that plays more football could be devastating though. Factor in AFCON and covid last year plus learning to cope with the physicality of English football, and maybe we'll see a more consistent version of him for 22/23.

A manager and a few players that speak French will probably help as well.

[Commy]

I won’t repost my response above, most of which is relevant to your point. But what exactly has Roberts done to have quadrupled in value in 11 months?

He hasn't quadrupled in value. We got him very cheap.

[Selby Claret]

I won’t repost my response above, most of which is relevant to your point. But what exactly has Roberts done to have quadrupled in value in 11 months?

I think the argument was that he was captured on the cheap because of Swansea's circumstances and his contract length. His true value is probably more, coupled with another season in the PL and appearances for a World Cup-bound international side since he signed.

[AshevilleNCClaret]

I am concerned that despite Mr K saying the core of players are needed and there, to protect the club culture, their are either gone, on the market, or somewhat marginalised.

Baby and bathwater comes to mind.

At the end of the process we have lost a battle hardened team of prem quality, in favour of potential to do well in the Championship and banked a few quid for the owners.

If we by chance, got promoted, would we have anything like the know how?

Fingers crossed but still willing on the Clarets.

We are/were an older/aging PL squad. Battle hardened true, but frankly, running out of gas and ideas to keep up the good fight. We got a new/unproven young manager. We've signed an insanely amount of players this transfer window. There is huge uncertainty for all of this, but it was time for something new with the squad/club.

[RVclaret]

I won’t repost my response above, most of which is relevant to your point. But what exactly has Roberts done to have quadrupled in value in 11 months?

You could argue that we got him for an undervalued price, he’s now on a longer term contract, has gained valuable Premier League experience, played very well in some games, is a key player for a decent Wales team and played well in their play off games. When I see the pricing of Championship players now, like Coventry wanting 10m for O’Hare, Spence going for 15m, it makes you wonder.

[Vegas Claret]

You could argue that we got him for an undervalued price, he’s now on a longer term contract, has gained valuable Premier League experience, played very well in some games, is a key player for a decent Wales team and played well in their play off games. When I see the pricing of Championship players now, like Coventry wanting 10m for O’Hare, Spence going for 15m, it makes you wonder.

I think for the most part valuations seem to have come down this summer. Only the big european teams are spending money. Plenty of loan signings elsewhere for the rest, clearly not much money about. I'd personally expect around 10 for Roberts if he were to be sold. Do I think we could re-invest that cash and not miss him, absolutely. That said, I'd like us to keep him as his attitude is spot on and will wear off on the young lads.

[warksclaret]

There is a very good player in Roberts. With the heatwave I today watched a couple of our televised games of last season -Arsenal away and Saints at home, and he was quality in both .Under VK, wing backs will be a key part of the team, and I am hoping VK has seen enough of him in order to keep him

[NewClaret]

There is a very good player in Roberts. With the heatwave I today watched a couple of our televised games of last season -Arsenal away and Saints at home, and he was quality in both .Under VK, wing backs will be a key part of the team, and I am hoping VK has seen enough of him in order to keep him

To let go of a player with a record like 2nd most chances created last time playing at this level would be madness imo. Need to keep all the quality in the squad that we can now.

[Big Vinny K]

Spence looked a fantastic player last season.
He was athletic, strong and good on the ball.

Based on what I saw of Roberts for us and Spence last season then looked pretty obvious which one of them a big club like Spurs would be interested in buying.

Though I would say that Spurs have spent a hell of a lot of money on their last 3 right backs prior to signing Spence and they have all been bang average and massively overpriced.

[Woodleyclaret]

Connor Roberts is a quality player as shown when playing for Wales and in his time with us.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

We are/were an older/aging PL squad. Battle hardened true, but frankly, running out of gas and ideas to keep up the good fight. We got a new/unproven young manager. We've signed an insanely amount of players this transfer window. There is huge uncertainty for all of this, but it was time for something new with the squad/club.

Strange isn't it how we had people saying for ages that the squad was too old, out of steam and ideas and when the overhaul happens, suddenly it's too much, bathwater out etc.

[Tinribs]

I am concerned that despite Mr K saying the core of players are needed and there, to protect the club culture, their are either gone, on the market, or somewhat marginalised.

Baby and bathwater comes to mind.

At the end of the process we have lost a battle hardened team of prem quality, in favour of potential to do well in the Championship and banked a few quid for the owners.

If we by chance, got promoted, would we have anything like the know how?

Fingers crossed but still willing on the Clarets.

Prem quality ? We were relegated.
We had a bunch of thirty somethings on tens of thousands a week.
The wholesale change was overdue because of the absolute recruitment shambles pre pace.

[Vegas Claret]

I am concerned that despite Mr K saying the core of players are needed and there, to protect the club culture, their are either gone, on the market, or somewhat marginalised.

Baby and bathwater comes to mind.

At the end of the process we have lost a battle hardened team of prem quality, in favour of potential to do well in the Championship and banked a few quid for the owners.

If we by chance, got promoted, would we have anything like the know how?

Fingers crossed but still willing on the Clarets.

or maybe after a few weeks with them he's realised they really aren't that good individually and it was the sum of the parts that kept us up. I'd rather have better individuals coming together to form a better sum of the parts at this point that can strive in the long term for better things. Not saying it will happen that way but I'm 100% behind the decision to change the players and playing style.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Prem quality ? We were relegated.
We had a bunch of thirty somethings on tens of thousands a week.
The wholesale change was overdue because of the absolute recruitment shambles pre pace.

There was clearly prem quality players in the squad that’s why at least 4 of them are ending up at bigger clubs with potentially cornet, Roberts and McNeil to join them by the end of the window.

Wholesale change was required but I would have hoped at least some of the prem talent would have remained

[Taffy on the wing]

There was talk of Lowton going and he hasn’t look very happy in the glimpses of clips and photos I’ve seen from preseason.

Neither did Roberts on the interview i saw.

[Cap]

No O'hare in the Coventry squad tonight https://twitter.com/Coventry_City/statu ... wwmWg&s=19

[Nori1958]

No O'hare in the Coventry squad tonight https://twitter.com/Coventry_City/statu ... wwmWg&s=19

I'll have 5p on it being reported as a slight niggle

[RVclaret]

There’s around 4 other usual starters not in the team either

[eastcoastclaret]

No O'hare in the Coventry squad tonight https://twitter.com/Coventry_City/statu ... wwmWg&s=19

There was a guy on twitter this morning saying he wouldn't be in the squad tonight and it announced before the game that he had left.

[spt_claret]

Roberts is a bit of an odd one.

I thought he struggled at times last season but expect him to be a much better performer at this level. Can't really see a Prem side paying for him on the back of last season but between him and Lowton you would expect him to be the saleable asset

Have to be honest, I don't rate Roberts at PL level from what I've seen of him at Burnley. He had one terrific goal which he scored mainly by pushing absurdly out of position. He was often posititionally lost wandering so far up, inside, or both, that he couldn't either support out wide or get back to defend, his crossing while advanced & whipped in was actually less productive than Lowton's deep crossing, his long throws really aren't that long. Strikes me as the prime example of a quality Championship player who hasn't yet proven he can adapt to the level above, he might do with more time but if I was any PL team outside of the newly promoted 3, I'd be unconvinced by him as anything but backup. Fancy him to do a great job this season in the Championship so I'd keep him but not sure yet about him in the PL.

Lowton by contrast I think is a terrifically underrated player, and his lack of attacking intent is something of a misnomer- he racked up 1772 minutes to Roberts 1692 minutes last season, a difference of less than 1 game. Got 2 assists to 1, equal goals but according to FBRef's metrics, 1.3 xA to 1.1, and 0.6 xG to 0.1 (suggesting he creates better chances an gets in better goalscoring positions). 2020-21 he had 2.3 xA. On Sofascore, he produced 4 big chances by their metrics compared to Roberts' 2. 7 in 2020-21. Lowton might sit deeper but his deep crosses are typically good for producing goalscoring chances- and he produces marginally better ones than Roberts in similar matchtime. He's an incredibly underrated player who I'd be more than happy seeing start next season, although his style might not suit Kompany, and oddly might be better suited to lower Prem than upper Championship.

No one likes us, we don’t care!

Given our desperation to change our image and playing style to try fit in with the fairweather and 'modern style' fans I think this chant no longer applies.

[MACCA]

There’s around 4 other usual starters not in the team either

But we only want the 1...

[Elizabeth]

There was clearly prem quality players in the squad that’s why at least 4 of them are ending up at bigger clubs with potentially cornet, Roberts and McNeil to join them by the end of the window.

Wholesale change was required but I would have hoped at least some of the prem talent would have remained

Tarks,Mee, Pope were always bound to go .
Collins could not be persuaded and there is every possibility the club couldn’t have kept him if they wanted.
All totally acceptable as a fan , as would be Cornet going.
Weghorst I don’t think anyone was bothered about and is quickly forgotten because of his obvious frailties in performance and attitude.
Wholesale changes? Only if Roberts, McNeil and one or two others go. That would be the time to question the club and personally I refuse to believe they would be that stupid!

[KRBFC]

He plays in the same position, for a Championship club , and has just been transferred for £20million.

He's also a considerably better player than Roberts (based on last seasons Spence).

[randomclaret2]

He's also a considerably better player than Roberts (based on last seasons Spence).

Its a wonder Boro let him go on loan to a team in the same division.

[KRBFC]

Its a wonder Boro let him go on loan to a team in the same division.

and what a hilariously bad decision that was. Not like it has any relevance, Barcelona let Messi go to PSG on a free transfer.

[randomclaret2]

and what a hilariously bad decision that was. Not like it has any relevance, Barcelona let Messi go to PSG on a free transfer.

It has got Boro £20 million, so maybe not that bad a decision

[KRBFC]

I must admit, It's a little surprising we weren't challenging for Europe again with all these top quality players we had last season.

Brownhill and Roberts were bang average last season, Rodriguez scored like 1 goal all season, Mee barely featured, Tarkowski the best English central defender the world has ever seen,

Vydra got better and better in his time here the more time he spent on the bench, he leaves and suddenly he's a proven goalscorer because he once scraped 20 league goals in the Championship 5 years ago.

Seriously we've been absolutely pish for nigh on 2 years with those players, the warm weather is effecting some.

[KRBFC]

It has got Boro £20 million, so maybe not that bad a decision

Sky says Spurs have paid £12.5m, could reach £20m with performance related bonuses, probably if Spurs win the league title.

[tiger76]

Strange isn't it how we had people saying for ages that the squad was too old, out of steam and ideas and when the overhaul happens, suddenly it's too much, bathwater out etc.

Wholesale change always carries risks, but this time was going to come eventually, however it might well require patience in the early weeks of the season before all the newbies start gelling as a team.

And the reason such radical surgery has to be performed on our squad is because we allowed far too many of our stalwarts to age, and didn't adequately replace them over a succession of windows.