Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

louieollie · Post by **louieollie** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:20 pm

NickBFC wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:48 am
We should go for him, we desperately need a player who sits on the shoulder....

Plus side to Parrot is that he's just had a season playing in front of Twine too so you'd expect they'd know eachothers game

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:22 pm

NickBFC wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:48 am
We should go for him, we desperately need a player who sits on the shoulder....

quite a trill to see him in C&B

Bop · Post by **Bop** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:30 pm

What price though - is he within our budgie?

forzagranata · Post by **forzagranata** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:31 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:09 pm
None of the experienced players we have lost are experienced in playing VKs system. They would have only a slight advantage over the new kids on the block.
I worry that some fans don't fully understand how big a transformation we will be going through in the next few months, and I don't mean in personnel. There is so much that the squad have to take on board, and some will pick it up quicker than others. It is far more complicated than you play there, and you do this. It's a science that involves many components, and until everyone of the players can play the system, without thinking about it, it is going to be hard. AND it's going to take time.

Is there really a 'VK system'?

He is learning the ropes as well - that is why he has joined a second division club after all. He'll need as much patience as the kids he has brought in.

He'll have ideas about how he wants to play but the notion there is some established 'VK system' seems a bit wishful thinking.

I think it will be far more pragmatic than some are imagining.

Robbo1882 · Post by **Robbo1882** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:40 pm

Has anyone heard anymore about Liam Delap joining on loan?

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:40 pm

Tall Paul wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:37 am
Payment terms of a transfer fee doesn't have any impact on the calculation of profit/loss for FFP.

Exactly.

Or a club could buy a whole team on instalments and go bust owing fortunes to other clubs. prevention of this is one of the prime objectives of FFP

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:44 pm

NickBFC wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:48 am
We should go for him, we desperately need a player who sits on the shoulder....

In terms of strikers he would be top of the pecking order

HahaYeah · Post by **HahaYeah** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:45 pm

According to the MEN.........

'Manchester City have reportedly rejected a bid from Southampton for Liam Delap.

The 19-year-old was recently included in Pep Guardiola's pre-season tour squad. Delap featured as a replacement for Julian Alvarez during their victory over Club America in the early hours of Thursday morning.

According to The Athletic, City have rejected a £16m bid from the south coast club this summer as they aim to strengthen their forward line after Armando Broja returned to parent club Chelsea. Guardiola is thought to have rebuffed the permanent bid and there is reportedly loan interest from a number of Championship sides.'

So hopefully we are in with a shout.

Jambounchained · Post by **Jambounchained** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:50 pm

jojomk1 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:40 am
PNE look to be getting Troy Parrott from Spurs on season long loan

PNE look to be getting Troy Parrott from Spurs on season long loan

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:51 pm

forzagranata wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:31 pm
Is there really a 'VK system'?

He is learning the ropes as well - that is why he has joined a second division club after all. He'll need as much patience as the kids he has brought in.

He'll have ideas about how he wants to play but the notion there is some established 'VK system' seems a bit wishful thinking.

I think it will be far more pragmatic than some are imagining.

His ideas on football will be based on how Pep sets up and plays, even if not identical. He has already told the squad that it will take time, and the reason it will take time is because it isn't easy.
You need to know your position on the pitch, relative to your teammates. With or without the ball.
If you leave your zone someone has to replace you, by the same token if a teammate enters your zone, you may have to leave.
You have to learn how to pass, the right angle to protect the ball, the right weight of pass to keep the ball, but also be able to maintain control of it.
You have to learn not only how to press, but when to press, as a team, and as an individual.
When we get it right we could look like the Harlem Globetrotters, but before we get there, there will be times when we look like a salmon flopping about in a puddle.

I don't believe, because of the difficulties ahead, that VK will let himself be hand-tied by player profiles. He will pick the players that learn the system quickest.

forzagranata · Post by **forzagranata** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:59 pm

I know what Pep's system is and it is very difficult to emulate even with top class players and a degree of flexibility - as Arteta has discovered at Arsenal.

Trying to play Pep's football with the likes of Kevin Long, Josh Cullen and Ashley Barnes will require a lot of patience and pragmatism. To say the least.

Mattster · Post by **Mattster** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:01 pm

louieollie wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:20 pm
Plus side to Parrot is that he's just had a season playing in front of Twine too so you'd expect they'd know eachothers game

Played mostly alongside Twine as a 10 at MK Dons. Spurs apparently want him to play as a 9 this season.

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:22 pm

Instead of going for Benson, I'd suggest we take a punt on Cyriel Dessers of KRC Genk.

On loan last season to Feyenoord, and scored in their first game against Bruges this weekend.

I think he's a good striker who would do well in the championship and would not cost too much.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:29 pm

HahaYeah wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:45 pm
According to the MEN.........

'Manchester City have reportedly rejected a bid from Southampton for Liam Delap.

The 19-year-old was recently included in Pep Guardiola's pre-season tour squad. Delap featured as a replacement for Julian Alvarez during their victory over Club America in the early hours of Thursday morning.

According to The Athletic, City have rejected a £16m bid from the south coast club this summer as they aim to strengthen their forward line after Armando Broja returned to parent club Chelsea. Guardiola is thought to have rebuffed the permanent bid and there is reportedly loan interest from a number of Championship sides.'

So hopefully we are in with a shout.

You'd think that if VK is trying to follow the way Guardiola plays then Delap would be suited to coming here rather than any other side in the Championship.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:31 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:29 pm
You'd think that if VK is trying to follow the way Guardiola plays then Delap would be suited to coming here rather than any other side in the Championship.

And would be an especially good destination based on (i) Kompany being known to Man City (2) expected to play like City, or at least in the same style (3) shortage of competition for places up front means he should play a lot (4) local to Manchester.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:33 pm

dsr wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:31 pm
And would be an especially good destination based on (i) Kompany being known to Man City (2) expected to play like City, or at least in the same style (3) shortage of competition for places up front means he should play a lot (4) local to Manchester.

Yes all great points - I’d imagine if he does come to the Champ then surely we are at the front of the queue. Problem is if a PL club want to loan him, City may prefer him there - Southampton are desperate for strikers and may still try bring him on loan.

MeeActon1 · Post by **MeeActon1** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:34 pm

Belgianclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:22 pm
Instead of going for Benson, I'd suggest we take a punt on Cyriel Dessers of KRC Genk.

On loan last season to Feyenoord, and scored in their first game against Bruges this weekend.

I think he's a good striker who would do well in the championship and would not cost too much.

Good shout, decent record in Holland with NAC, Heracles and to a lesser extent, Utrecht, however this was more to do with a falling out with then Utrecht manager, John van den Brom, Dessers left for Genk only to find that a short while later Van den Brom followed him. Did ok on loan at Feyenoord last season and now back at Genk as Van den Brom was given the push mid season. Knows where the goal is and relatively pacy. Should also reasonably cheap.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:37 pm

Never the Twine shall tweet

AshevilleNCClaret · Post by **AshevilleNCClaret** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:38 pm

forzagranata wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:59 pm
I know what Pep's system is and it is very difficult to emulate even with top class players and a degree of flexibility - as Arteta has discovered at Arsenal.

Trying to play Pep's football with the likes of Kevin Long, Josh Cullen and Ashley Barnes will require a lot of patience and pragmatism. To say the least.

I'm going to hold judgement on VK's style of play until I start watching us play. He might be emulating City but he's smart enough to realize we have no where near the caliber of players to pull this off... possibly in the championship but definitely not in the PL.

I still think we get a striker, but not in the traditional sense of a target man/hold up play....

kenyon6923 · Post by **kenyon6923** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:39 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 9:36 am
If given the choice, I'd rather lose Dwight than Max, I can't see Dwight ever scoring as many as Cornet can. We are going to be under a lot of pressure learning this new system, and a credible goal scorer could well carry us for the first few months.

That said I think Dwight would probably be the happier of the 2, to give it a go in the Championship.

We certainly don't want to lose both.

There's plenty of here who think Jay and Barnes will get 40 between them after all its only the championship !!! so somebody has to supply the crosses and if he plays as a winger McNeill has to be the option, Cornet not required as we have 2 challenging for the golden boot up front just read some posts on here and don't forget our strikers have done it before in 2014 era.

Mattster · Post by **Mattster** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:45 pm

Belgianclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:22 pm
Instead of going for Benson, I'd suggest we take a punt on Cyriel Dessers of KRC Genk.

On loan last season to Feyenoord, and scored in their first game against Bruges this weekend.

I think he's a good striker who would do well in the championship and would not cost too much.

If we'd moved early in the Summer maybe we'd have been able to get him for the negotiated buy option they had with Feyenoord (around £3 - 4m).

But now looks like he's going to be Genk's main striker as they expect to sell Onuachu and Ugbo so not sure he'll be available.

MancunianClaret · Post by **MancunianClaret** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:21 pm

Looking like the Hammers are progressing well on Kostic, which will probably take them out of the market for Cornet?

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/stat ... 1929527298

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:25 pm

Had to chuckle when some posters feel Barnes/Rodriguez will give us 40 goals in the Championship, with a combined age of 65. Its on a par with the mentality of those at Christmas, saying we would start winning again and avoid relegation

Jay did get 22 goals for WBA but he stayed fit that year and played 45 league games. He also played alongside a lively (then), Dwight Gale. He is now 4 years older, and sadly susceptible to injury. Barnes has never been prolific , or quick, and with several major injuries in the last 4 or so years, now even slower .

We ourselves have two great striker partnership benchmarks in Ings/Vokes, then Gray/Vokes. They gave us the fire power to not only ensure promotion but to do it AUTOMATICALLY and as CHAMPIONS respectively.From memory both partnerships hit the ground running at an early stage

Zom Zom · Post by **Zom Zom** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:29 pm

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:44 pm
In terms of strikers he would be top of the pecking order

Beak-airful what you wish for. You might end up spitting feathers.
And Toucan play that game.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:43 pm

Zom Zom wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:29 pm
Beak-airful what you wish for. You might end up spitting feathers.
And Toucan play that game.

I have heard he goes down quickly-always looking for a pen

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:44 pm

WE could always try him on the wing

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:15 pm

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:25 pm
Had to chuckle when some posters feel Barnes/Rodriguez will give us 40 goals in the Championship, with a combined age of 65. Its on a par with the mentality of those at Christmas, saying we would start winning again and avoid relegation

Jay did get 22 goals for WBA but he stayed fit that year and played 45 league games. He also played alongside a lively (then), Dwight Gale. He is now 4 years older, and sadly susceptible to injury. Barnes has never been prolific , or quick, and with several major injuries in the last 4 or so years, now even slower .

We ourselves have two great striker partnership benchmarks in Ings/Vokes, then Gray/Vokes. They gave us the fire power to not only ensure promotion but to do it AUTOMATICALLY and as CHAMPIONS respectively.From memory both partnerships hit the ground running at an early stage

It's hard to take you seriously when you're using 'combined age' as a means of making a point about football.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:23 pm

Billy Sharp is 36, scored 14 goals last season and didn't play in every game

No reason at all why Jay and Barnes can't do at least that but as with everything it will come down to quality of service

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:25 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:23 pm
Billy Sharp is 36, scored 14 goals last season and didn't play in every game

No reason at all why Jay and Barnes can't do at least that but as with everything it will come down to quality of service

To be fair Billy Sharp is the exception rather than the norm. I suspect Jay and Barnes will contribute somewhere between 25-30 combined which as long as we get a top striker in should be enough to see us right up there.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:28 pm

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:04 am
I know !!
But our resident expert can’t be bothered checking - he just subliminally knew he was back up !

I don't know the exact numbers, I just know he's not a regular starter from watching Brugge. He's started 2 of the last 16 league games.

Just like I know Long isn't first choice here, I couldn't tell you the number of games he played in last season. If you want to know the numbers, google them yourself.

Big Vinny K · Post by **Big Vinny K** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:48 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:28 pm
I don't know the exact numbers, I just know he's not a regular starter from watching Brugge. He's started 2 of the last 16 league games.

Just like I know Long isn't first choice here, I couldn't tell you the number of games he played in last season. If you want to know the numbers, google them yourself.

I did look it up - just like a couple of other posters did.
Seems like he played most of the season - wasn’t it around 35 games including Europe ?

In fact he probably played nearly as many games last season as Kevin Long has played in his career at Burnley !

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:04 pm

Jambounchained wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:50 pm
PNE look to be getting Troy Parrott from Spurs on season long loan

That Jambo, is a work of genius.

CharlieinNewMexico · Post by **CharlieinNewMexico** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:09 pm

bobinho wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:04 pm
That Jambo, is a work of genius.

Took me a while to get it

ClaretCliff · Post by **ClaretCliff** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:14 pm

CharlieinNewMexico wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:09 pm
Took me a while to get it

Me too, but made me laugh out loud when I did. Brilliant.

JimmyRobbo · Post by **JimmyRobbo** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:43 pm

Belgianclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:22 pm
Instead of going for Benson, I'd suggest we take a punt on Cyriel Dessers of KRC Genk.

On loan last season to Feyenoord, and scored in their first game against Bruges this weekend.

I think he's a good striker who would do well in the championship and would not cost too much.

TBF, you were the one who signed Defour for us. (

)

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:58 pm

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:48 pm
I did look it up - just like a couple of other posters did.
Seems like he played most of the season - wasn’t it around 35 games including Europe ?

In fact he probably played nearly as many games last season as Kevin Long has played in his career at Burnley !

Just for clarity.

The Jupiter League was 34 games plus 6 champions round games totalling 40 games.

Hendry started in 18 of them and had 5 sub appearances across the full season.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:15 pm

BigChaCha wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:14 am
The new board were 100% concerned about attendance metrics and the steady decline in support and empty seats which were one of the main factors in why they removed SD and hired VK and that the narrative since is about fans enjoying football again. The board want attractive football at the TUrf to attract more fans and get some of those fans that left due to the football back... That already seems to be working as claretandy alluded to and I've lost count of the number of people I know who are now planning to go back, including my 15-year-old son who left a few years ago to watch the more entertaining Accy Stanley but is now asking me to get a Burnley season ticket.

Club have tweeted that over 14,000 now sold

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:44 pm

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:48 pm
I did look it up - just like a couple of other posters did.
Seems like he played most of the season - wasn’t it around 35 games including Europe ?

In fact he probably played nearly as many games last season as Kevin Long has played in his career at Burnley !

Newcastle just gave you figures, he started less than 50% of Brugge's league games. I don't even know what point you're arguing here, he's 4th choice and they play 3 CBs. Of course he's going to get some game time with injuries, rotation and suspensions.

cblantfanclub · Post by **cblantfanclub** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:45 pm

see link on page 85 top for total clarity

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:54 pm

cblantfanclub wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:45 pm
see link on page 85 top for total clarity

Not sure that supports your theory. It says he lost his place in the starting eleven under that manager?

whiffa · Post by **whiffa** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:27 pm

Jambounchained wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:50 pm
PNE look to be getting Troy Parrott from Spurs on season long loan

That was macaw-fully clever! Brilliant!

Mattster · Post by **Mattster** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:41 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:44 pm
Newcastle just gave you figures, he started less than 50% of Brugge's league games. I don't even know what point you're arguing here, he's 4th choice and they play 3 CBs. Of course he's going to get some game time with injuries, rotation and suspensions.

I mean just for balance, the first 6 games of the season he was playing for KV Oostende so you can't hold it against him he didn't feature for Club Brugge in those games. He started over half of the league games at Club Brugge. He also scored the league winning goal in the play offs.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:48 pm

Lucas Joao suffered a bad injury for Reading at weekend, he is going to be out for a while by the looks of it

Bigvince · Post by **Bigvince** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:54 pm

Can’t stand all these bird jokes, they’re driving me cuckoo, thought of making a swift exit as it’s robin this thread of all credibility. But on the other hand what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Anyway I’m gonna swan off now before I make a tit of myself

winsomeyen · Post by **winsomeyen** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:57 pm

Bigvince wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:54 pm
Can’t stand all these bird jokes, they’re driving me cuckoo, thought of making a swift exit as it’s robin this thread of all credibility. But on the other hand what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Anyway I’m gonna swan off now before I make a tit of myself

Too late Vince

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:02 pm

Bigvince wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:54 pm
Can’t stand all these bird jokes, they’re driving me cuckoo, thought of making a swift exit as it’s robin this thread of all credibility. But on the other hand what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Anyway I’m gonna swan off now before I make a tit of myself

Not bad, but these bird jokes are hard to swallow.

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:22 pm

whiffa wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:27 pm
That was macaw-fully clever! Brilliant!

We can use a player like him to get our season off on a flyer

18MD82 · Post by **18MD82** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:44 pm

Reliable Belgian journo reporting we’ve made our first bid for Manuel Benson at Royal Antwerp

https://twitter.com/sachatavolieri/stat ... afB7fZ0i3Q

NickBFC · Post by **NickBFC** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:45 pm

Enough, we certainly don't need any pretty boys in our team

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:45 pm

18MD82 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:44 pm
Reliable Belgian journo reporting we’ve made our first bid for Manuel Benson at Royal Antwerp

https://twitter.com/sachatavolieri/stat ... afB7fZ0i3Q

Interesting

Certainly looks to have something. I guess we have to trust Kompany