Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[Nori1958]

Considering we apparently valued him at £40m or something a couple of years ago, I'd be very interested in the reasoning behind it being a good deal.

Yes his form has dropped but he is still potentially a £40m-£50m player in my eyes, just like Collins.

Like any sales, the value or otherwise will be coloured by what we do with the money. At the moment it's looking like £65m-£70mish for McNeil, Collins, Cornet and Pope, plus losing Tarkowski and Mee. We've spent what, £10m or something so far?

Nobody would have paid 40m
Since then he had a season with one assist and no goals...

[CoolClaret]

My greatest fear of the ALK/leveraged buyout is rearing its ugly head

Sigh

[RVclaret]

But do we sell every player who wants to leave for whatever figure we can get?

Simply put, no

[Wembley09]

On a personal level I worry for McNeil at Everton. If they have a tough start they will get on his back.

Me too.
If that happens he will struggle, he tended to fade away when things weren't going well in-front of the Turf Crowd.
Never mind in-front of some 30k+ angry Scousers

[RVclaret]

My greatest fear of the ALK/leveraged buyout is rearing its ugly head

Sigh

You spent the whole of last season slandering McNeil on here and now he’s going for a decent fee it’s time to slander the sale

[Flying Without Ings]

50 million (roughly) for Pope, Collins and McNeil is very poor business.

[Jambo]

It's a potential £20m btw, not a guaranteed £20m, by the sounds of it.

Tiger76 - I wouldn't have sold him. We don't appear to have realised this as a club this summer but not selling players is an option.

With the others I think them going was inevitable. I don't think that was the case with McNeil.

[Vegas Claret]

Simply put, no

Spijed should watch VK's interview from today, literally answered that question

[RVclaret]

50 million (roughly) for Pope, Collins and McNeil is very poor business.

In your opinion

[warksclaret]

£20m for McNeil is very good when you look at other recent sales in the PL.We tend to think he is going to develop into a very good player, and admittedly, he has the ocassional fantastic game, however he is no better than in his first season in the first team, and exceptionally one footed. It will be sad to see him go, as under VK he might have been one of the stars in the championship. We must be desperate for money, and if tha'ts the case we need to get three players off the wage bill-Lowton or Roberts (depending on who is sold of these two), and Long plus JBG We just cannot justify paying decent wages to people permanently on the bench or treatment table

[NewClaret]

£20m is more than I thought we'd get for him.

Have to agree.

- Pope is a scandal of epic proportions imo.
- Collins also poor given fees secured for White/Ake in recent seasons. I’m hoping he had a release clause.
- This is there or thereabouts, assuming there’s a decent sell-on fee.

[BurnleyFC]

Are ALK going to flog everything that isn’t bolted down?

[RVclaret]

Are ALK going to flog everything that isn’t bolted down?

Yea hopefully you and your original posting and username are off too

[Jacko]

We've been relegated, he's got two years left on his deal and he wants to go

Tempting to say 'so what?' as he's our asset and we do have some agency in this situation. However, I'm not naive enough not to recognise the implications of keeping a player in those circumstances; however it is a choice. We could keep him, we could try and persuade him to stay with other means, we could sell him - the bigger issue is what happens to the money and the team post-sale.

I'm sad about this one - really like him as a player - but I'm sadder still that we're flogging lots of our best players and not replacing them adequately. It's all about the why and the what next, which is one reason why it's faintly ridiculous to talk about our outgoing transfers with no financial context.

[Culmclaret]

Crumbs….go away for a few hours and pages and pages to catch up on. If we get north of £35m for McNeil and Cornet that is fantastic business. McNeil did very well when he burst onto the scene but has since been thoroughly sussed out by PL teams. Cornet is not up to the rigours of English football. Did anyone seriously think that we would be able to keep players wanted by PL clubs? Like it or not this is a total strip down and rebuild job. Don’t expect instant success, be patient and enjoy the ride

[fatboy47]

We've been relegated, he's got two years left on his deal and he wants to go

Easy stuff to parrot out after every departure...but it doesn't answer the slightly awkward question I posed earlier in the thread...to briefly rephrase it

Plenty of clubs have managed to retain a strong core of their best players follow relegation... Is there a scrap of evidence...anywhere..that we've made ANY EFFORT AT ALL to entice any of our best players to stay and fight for promotion?

[Wembley09]

£20 Million for Dwight is very good, like other's have said.. he was pretty poor last season.

The Collins sale is the one that dampened my mood, surely we could have got more, or made him stay (we only signed him last year, so he must have had a few years left) unless he had a release clause?

[NewClaret]

£20 Million for Dwight is very good, like other's have said.. he was pretty poor last season.

The Collins sale is the one that dampened my mood, surely we could have got more, or made him stay (we only signed him last year, so he must have had a few years left) unless he had a release clause?

I’m hoping he did. Makes me feel better about it all.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Easy stuff to parrot out after every departure...but it doesn't answer the slightly awkward question I posed earlier in the thread...to briefly rephrase it

Plenty of clubs have managed to retain a strong core of their best players follow relegation... Is there a scrap of evidence...anywhere..that we've made ANY EFFORT AT ALL to entice any of our best players to stay and fight for promotion?

Does Mr Kompany want any of these player's leaving

[BurnleyFC]

Yea hopefully you and your original posting and username are off too

You could always change your username to “InDenialClaret”.

[Wembley09]

I’m hoping he did. Makes me feel better about it all.

Like I said, I was expecting alot to leave this year, but I am gutted Collins left and for that price.
Just like I will be if Roberts and or Taylor are sold.

[Lancasterclaret]

Easy stuff to parrot out after every departure...but it doesn't answer the slightly awkward question I posed earlier in the thread...to briefly rephrase it

Plenty of clubs have managed to retain a strong core of their best players follow relegation... Is there a scrap of evidence...anywhere..that we've made ANY EFFORT AT ALL to entice any of our best players to stay and fight for promotion?

Plenty of clubs have billionaires or are essentially franchise clubs

We don't, and we have a huge debt repayment issue

We also have some very capable premier league players, which is why they are moving for what are very good fees at championship level

[warksclaret]

You have to remember Tarkowski is now at Everton. I am sure more than a few calls have been exchanged between these two. I am certain JT will have been singing the praises of Everton and telling him to just do it. Then off course the salary, playing in front of big crowds and above all staying in the PL.You cant blame McNeil-for us time to check in whilst there was interest

[Enola Gay]

Everybody: can't see mcneil/cornet staying.

Also everybody: can't believe the club are selling mcneil/cornet.

We're in the championship. We have players who are premier league players. Premier league clubs want them and they want to play in the Premier league.

The replacements won't be as good because we're in the championship. Really disappinting but this was always likely whenevwr we got relegated. Such is life.

The important thing is what we do with the money. This is a big rebuild. I can't quite understand how there were people who didn't realise this.

Should be a sticky, this.

[Boss Hogg]

Losing McNeil is a big blow imo. He’s a very good player and the right age. I believed he would excel this season under VK. If Cornet goes too not sure we look that strong. Far too many changes at once with far too many unknowns.

[fatboy47]

Plenty of clubs have billionaires or are essentially franchise clubs

We don't, and we have a huge debt repayment issue

We also have some very capable premier league players, which is why they are moving for what are very good fees at championship level

So that's a no then.

[clarethomer]

Is the saying now- who do you think we are? We’re Brazil not Burnley!

[Wembley09]

Didn't Barnsley used to say that in the late 90's.
It's like watching Brazil or something?

The reporters will be getting us two muddled up.. again. Burnsley

[tiger76]

Crumbs….go away for a few hours and pages and pages to catch up on. If we get north of £35m for McNeil and Cornet that is fantastic business. McNeil did very well when he burst onto the scene but has since been thoroughly sussed out by PL teams. Cornet is not up to the rigours of English football. Did anyone seriously think that we would be able to keep players wanted by PL clubs? Like it or not this is a total strip down and rebuild job. Don’t expect instant success, be patient and enjoy the ride

I don't think posters are necessarily complaining about us selling all the crown jewels, but more that we don't appear to be attempting to replace them with even solid Championship players.

I'm more than happy to see how our rebuild develops, and don't expect instant success, but the issue is if we don't gain promotion in the next 2 years when we still have the cushion of the parachute payments, it will only grow tougher in the future once that revenue stream dries up.

Therefore the money for Cornet and McNeil has to be invested in sourcing genuine talent that can hit the ground running in this league, O'Hare would be a prime example, and if that means stretching the budget slightly so be it.

I only hope AP holds his nerve if we're treading water midway through the season, and doesn't become trigger happy regarding ditching Kompany.

[distortiondave]

I'm more in the glass half full camp with all of this.
We've made proper profit on Pope and McNeil, reasonable profit on Collins, and (fag packet maths) probably upwards of £400k a week saved on wages with all our other departures (guessing at 50k a week for Pope, Tarkowski and Mee, 30k a week on Stephens, McNeil and Collins, 20k a week on Lennon, Hennesy etc, and I'm not counting Weghorst but that's probably a net gain if you count the fee for Wood?)

I know we've spent a bit, and our new lads aren't going to play for free, and Kompany and co (ko?) will be very well paid, so I'm not saying all of this is the best news ever, but as a team we were in a bit of a rut, or malaise, so if this blows the cobwebs away and sees a switch to youthful, attacking football then I'm all for it, even if it means two seasons in the Championship instead of one.

There's obviously a chance that this grand experiment will fail, and it would have been nice to get double the money on all our transfers out, but Kompany clearly has a vision for the club and, very importantly, he and the board seem to be aligned regarding transfers in and sanguine about transfers out. No rugs are being pulled out from under anyone, no players signed without the managers consent.

Plus, we should be able to win a few games. That'd be nice.

[Goody1975]

Should be a sticky, this.

Correct

The issue the club will have, is telling any player that they can't move to a club in the Premier League after so many have already moved on. How would a either Brownhill or Roberts react to having a move blocked when Pope, Collins, McNeill and Cornet have been allowed to leave?

I'm just glad this is happening now and not on Aug 31st, the club have to use the money wisely to give us a fighting chance this season while fitting in with the managers long term strategic plan for getting promotion.

[Pickles]

Everybody: can't see mcneil/cornet staying.

Also everybody: can't believe the club are selling mcneil/cornet.

We're in the championship. We have players who are premier league players. Premier league clubs want them and they want to play in the Premier league.

The replacements won't be as good because we're in the championship. Really disappinting but this was always likely whenevwr we got relegated. Such is life.

The important thing is what we do with the money. This is a big rebuild. I can't quite understand how there were people who didn't realise this.

Yep. Can we arrange for this to be posted again every fifteen minutes please.

[Conroysleftfoot]

Are ALK going to flog everything that isn’t bolted down?

The Turf is bolted down, wouldn't stop them selling that.

[karatekid]

If O'hare and Benson come in for DM's fee then that is good business for me with change left over.

[Paul Waine]

It's a potential £20m btw, not a guaranteed £20m, by the sounds of it.

Tiger76 - I wouldn't have sold him. We don't appear to have realised this as a club this summer but not selling players is an option.

With the others I think them going was inevitable. I don't think that was the case with McNeil.

Wasn't it last summer (or the one before) when there were rumours that Dwight McNeill believed it was time for him to leave? My recollection is that his Dad recommended he stay a bit longer at Burnley. I'm sure someone can find the posts/thread on this mb, possibly in the respective transfer window thread (though these tend to discuss all sorts of stuff).

I'm not sure how often a club can say "please stay another season."

Maybe another reason for me to try to get tickets to Brentford v Everton last w/end in August. I'll be happy if I can watch Ben Mee v James Tarkowski that day.

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[Paul Waine]

Are ALK going to flog everything that isn’t bolted down?

Or, just everyone that doesn't run around fast enough, perhaps?

[Colburn_Claret]

Trouble is that if any player has a good season they'll be sold in the summer and they won't have much time to learn a new system.

The club will have to resist offers for players if they want to allow VK time to bed in new players, otherwise we will always be back to square one at the start of each new season.

I honestly don't see it coming. Just because a player doesn't get the system, doesn't make them bad players. We sell them and replace with new. I think this summers sales are down to the relegation. It doesn't mean we won't continue to sell the odd star, but it won't be like this summer.

[DanH90]

I don't think posters are necessarily complaining about us selling all the crown jewels, but more that we don't appear to be attempting to replace them with even solid Championship players.

I'm more than happy to see how our rebuild develops, and don't expect instant success, but the issue is if we don't gain promotion in the next 2 years when we still have the cushion of the parachute payments, it will only grow tougher in the future once that revenue stream dries up.

Therefore the money for Cornet and McNeil has to be invested in sourcing genuine talent that can hit the ground running in this league, O'Hare would be a prime example, and if that means stretching the budget slightly so be it.

I only hope AP holds his nerve if we're treading water midway through the season, and doesn't become trigger happy regarding ditching Kompany.

Can’t get my head round Burnley fans, last season the squad was full of players who were too old and past it, we are rectifying that by bringing in youth and people are now desperate for ‘solid Championship players’
It’s not like we don’t have championship experience within the ranks, I can think of 8/9 players in the current squad who have played most of their careers in the Championship.

[forzagranata]

"We have lost a huge core of the team without really making money…we are going to be making money on two or three players but out of 12 core players you make money on maybe three or four, that is not enough to replace all these bodies with quality."

[Belial]

20m about right for Dwight. He's been pretty poor for a while but we know he can play when he wants. Only one I've been disappointed with is the low fee for Pope. None of us know the exact details of the deals but players aren't expected to stay with us on lower wages, in a lower league, when a PL team comes calling for them. You might not like it but it's reality.

We've a lot of new going lads coming in, and despite some experts on here making out they know all about them (and future targets), nobody knows how we'll progress as a squad and a team.

I'll reserve judgement and put faith in the new regime for now. It's a big risk, but only at the point it's failing will it be time to criticise.

[forzagranata]

Reported as 20 million *including* add-ons. So will actually be closer to 15 million.

[dandeclaret]

Easy stuff to parrot out after every departure...but it doesn't answer the slightly awkward question I posed earlier in the thread...to briefly rephrase it

Plenty of clubs have managed to retain a strong core of their best players follow relegation... Is there a scrap of evidence...anywhere..that we've made ANY EFFORT AT ALL to entice any of our best players to stay and fight for promotion?

Amen to that

[NewClaret]

Reported as 20 million *including* add-ons. So will actually be closer to 15 million.

Most of our signings will have had performance-related clauses as part of the total fee.

[Paul Waine]

We've a lot of new going lads coming in, and despite some experts on here making out they know all about them (and future targets), nobody knows how we'll progress as a squad and a team.

Just thinking about all the incomings, is there a language school or two in and around Burnley so that all these new lads can learn to speak with each other? Yes, I'm guessing that Vincent Kompany speaks several languages (has anyone got a list?). It will be like United Nations on match days if each of the new lads bring their families along to see them play.

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[ksrclaret]

"We have lost a huge core of the team without really making money…we are going to be making money on two or three players but out of 12 core players you make money on maybe three or four, that is not enough to replace all these bodies with quality."

And Kompany said all this before the loss of McNeil, most probably Cornet too, and potentially even Roberts.

Huge task ahead.

[NewClaret]

Just thinking about all the incomings, is there a language school or two in and around Burnley so that all these new lads can learn to speak with each other? Yes, I'm guessing that Vincent Kompany speaks several languages (has anyone got a list?). It will be like United Nations on match days if each of the new lads bring their families along to see them play.

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Our (maybe not for long) Maxi got online English lessons I think.

[Belial]

Just thinking about all the incomings, is there a language school or two in and around Burnley so that all these new lads can learn to speak with each other? Yes, I'm guessing that Vincent Kompany speaks several languages (has anyone got a list?). It will be like United Nations on match days if each of the new lads bring their families along to see them play.

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I'd expect they'll sort it with a teacher, or even online. When you look at some clubs, there's barely any English players so there must be some assistance for the new guys

[tiger76]

Can’t get my head round Burnley fans, last season the squad was full of players who were too old and past it, we are rectifying that by bringing in youth and people are now desperate for ‘solid Championship players’
It’s not like we don’t have championship experience within the ranks, I can think of 8/9 players in the current squad who have played most of their careers in the Championship.

I doubt anyone didn't expect some churn, but to lose Collins, Cornet, McNeil and Pope as well as Mee and Tarks leaves us with some huge holes to fill in our squad. And if rumours are correct we'll see more leaving yet, plus naturally more incomings as well.

I've no problem if Burnley want to move these players on, or indeed if they wanted to go, the question mark is are we adequately replacing them with sufficient quality to allow us to compete, and so far we appear to be banking on lower league signings stepping up, that is a gamble because there's no guarantee they'll all adapt to performing at a higher level week in week out.

You are correct we do still retain a strong core of Championship experience, and the poser for VK will be integrating this youth into his system, well ensuring we retain a strong spine, most concern seems to our lack of nous at CB and the lack of an organiser and talker in defence.

[Pearcey]

I’d like to see a proven championship player like O’Hare come in now. McNeil is a cracking footballer but he was woeful last season. I also think Covid has affected the market so £20m is not to be sniffed at.

[arise_sir_charge]

And Kompany said all this before the loss of McNeil, most probably Cornet too, and potentially even Roberts.

Huge task ahead.

Bearing in mind he’d discussed both of them in the exact same interview I suspect he might have factored them both into that actual comment.