Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[CharlieinNewMexico]

That’s not very nice a lot of time conversation steers off into that direction unintentionally you might start off somewhere innocently 10 posts later you end up talking about it, I’m no troll I support the club.

Maybe you should only get one post per thread per day then.

Then you can’t “accidentally 10 posts later be talking about something you know full well you shouldn’t be talking about”

Really about time the Mods tightened up with you.

[Elizabeth]

Not pressured particularly, last Friday, as he will be against better opposition, but he had a great game at Huddersfield. Probably spent as much time at left back as he did at Centre half, which worked brilliantly in allowing Maatsen to push on.

Fair play to you, Spice. You called it a while ago, playing Taylor at centre half. I must admit I was a tad sceptical about that and worried when I heard the line ups. I needn’t have been.

Taylor is no centre half and that will become clear once we play teams that will exploit him in that position

[Jakubclaret]

Maybe you should only get one post per thread per day then.

Then you can’t “accidentally 10 posts later be talking about something you know full well you shouldn’t be talking about”

Really about time the Mods tightened up with you.

Or had more control & resistance to peer pressure advising them what to do, I wouldn’t dream of getting a poster banned even if I disagreed with them or they annoyed me, more important things in life than not getting on with people.

[Elizabeth]

Or had more control & resistance to peer pressure advising them what to do, I wouldn’t dream of getting a poster banned even if I disagreed with them or they annoyed me, more important things in life than not getting on with people.

Charlie has a record of trying to get posters he doesn't agree with banned, best to ignore him

[CrosspoolClarets]

Taylor is no centre half and that will become clear once we play teams that will exploit him in that position

Agree with this. Taylor is shorter than Cornet, Lowton and Cork - that is one attribute he cannot improve. Teams will target that at set pieces and with general play crosses. We need enough men to mark their tallest players. I expect one more big CB signing, in more ways than one.

[DCWat]

Taylor is no centre half and that will become clear once we play teams that will exploit him in that position

It wasn’t the most difficult of tests, admittedly. The point was more about the role Taylor played from centre half, but moving across to his favoured position to facilitate Maatsen pushing on.

My biggest concern at Centre Half was actually Harwood-Bellis. Not because I thought he had a poor game (he did great) I just wondered how he’d cope against bigger and more capable forwards, particularly in the air.

Taylor will be a huge asset this season either at left back or centre half.

[Boxy]

Taylors role reminded me of Walkers CB role at city

[Elizabeth]

It wasn’t the most difficult of tests, admittedly. The point was more about the role Taylor played from centre half, but moving across to his favoured position to facilitate Maatsen pushing on.

My biggest concern at Centre Half was actually Harwood-Bellis. Not because I thought he had a poor game (he did great) I just wondered how he’d cope against bigger and more capable forwards, particularly in the air.

Taylor will be a huge asset this season either at left back or centre half.

I think your concerns are warranted. Huddersfield were very poor and there will be much bigger tests for our central defenders to come

[Sheedyclaret]

Agree with this. Taylor is shorter than Cornet, Lowton and Cork - that is one attribute he cannot improve. Teams will target that at set pieces and with general play crosses. We need enough men to mark their tallest players. I expect one more big CB signing, in more ways than one.

Ben mee wasn't the biggest of centre backs he did ok

[DCWat]

Ben mee wasn't the biggest of centre backs he did ok

It’ll be weird seeing him in red and white!

[ClaretAndJew]

If last seasons play off finalists aren't a big enough challenge I don't know who are.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Taylors role reminded me of Walkers CB role at city

Agreed, with Cork dropping at times to make it an even back line . I don’t think we will be predictable this season for opposition managers. Sometimes Cullen will drop sometimes Cork will drop.

[Elizabeth]

I think your concerns are warranted. Huddersfield were very poor and there will be much bigger tests for our central defenders to come

I hope the transfer rumours that we are after another central defender prove to be accurate

[martin_p]

Taylor is no centre half and that will become clear once we play teams that will exploit him in that position

Vincent Kompany has seen it in him and he’s probably better qualified than you.

[DCWat]

If last seasons play off finalists aren't a big enough challenge I don't know who are.

A shadow of themselves from last season (not that I saw a lot of their games). Lost their two best players and the manager that did so well for them.

[Elizabeth]

Vincent Kompany has seen it in him and he’s probably better qualified than you.

You don't say he's better qualified than me. How did you work that out?

You're welcome to come back and make a proper assessment of my assertion if Taylor proves me wrong at centre half.

I think he's a stopgap and nothing more

[ClaretAndJew]

A shadow of themselves from last season (not that I saw a lot of their games). Lost their two best players and the manager that did so well for them.

A fair point, but still, a team that did so well last year can't suddenly just have dropped off. Obviously it's nuts to think anything is going to happen in terms of promotion but, away from home, more passes than any team in the EFL Champ last season and a clean sheet and a win.......

WE'RE ******* GOING UP.

[forzagranata]

Worst post I’ve ever seen on a Burnley messageboard. And I’ve been on here from the start and CM from 2004.

I admire your loyalty to your compatriot.

But I stand by my view - the best things Pace has done has been to hire Kompany and keep out of our recruitment policy.

Everything else has been a net negative for our club but thanks to VK we have a chance of getting out of this division and creating something interesting.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I admire your loyalty to your compatriot.

But I stand by my view - the best things Pace has done has been to hire Kompany and keep out of our recruitment policy.

Everything else has been a net negative for our club but thanks to VIK we have a chance of getting out of this division and creating something interesting.

He hasn't kept out of our recruitment policy though....
He started buying younger and foreign players when Dyche was here.
He's still doing that now, but with Kompany choosing who to go for.

Are you thinking Pace has zero input on the transfers?

[MancunianClaret]

Any news on JBG? If he's fit do we need another winger?

[colne-claret]

Any news on JBG? If he's fit do we need another winger?

Trouble is, how often is he fit? I can’t see him playing more than 10 games this season.

[MancunianClaret]

Trouble is, how often is he fit? I can’t see him playing more than 10 games this season.

Hopefully more than that! What's his current status? Wasn't on the bench on Saturday...

[forzagranata]

He hasn't kept out of our recruitment policy though....
He started buying younger and foreign players when Dyche was here.
He's still doing that now, but with Kompany choosing who to go for.

Are you thinking Pace has zero input on the transfers?

I think it is pretty clear that Pace chose Cornet, Weghorst and McNally
Dyche picked Collins and Roberts
Kompany has picked everyone else

Pace knows next to nothing about football but thankfully was just about smart enough to realise that Kompany might know better.

[colne-claret]

Hopefully more than that! What's his current status? Wasn't on the bench on Saturday...

Think Kompany said they were nursing him through a knock. Might have dreamt that though…

[Tricky Trevor]

Taylor is shorter than Cornet, Lowton and Cork

This is a myth. You must have read the 5’8” sh1te that is online somewhere. I’ve settled this before by posting a team photo, not to hand, where he is stood next to Ben Mee, reportedly 5’11”, and gives him 2”. Might not be good enough for a long term CB but certainly tall enough.

[randomclaret2]

Agree with this. Taylor is shorter than Cornet, Lowton and Cork - that is one attribute he cannot improve. Teams will target that at set pieces and with general play crosses. We need enough men to mark their tallest players. I expect one more big CB signing, in more ways than one.

Taylor is shorter than Cornet ?

[Boxy]

Where did we land on Brad jones as a reliable source ? xD Noticed hes talking about a lot of clubs now not just us

[CrosspoolClarets]

Lots of debate about my reference to Taylor’s height, well I haven’t got the tape measure out personally but I thought Charlie was 5ft 9 and Ben Mee who somebody mentioned above is 6ft. Cornet is 5ft 10 for comparison.

Not off Wikipedia, off one of the football database sites. I simply think we will need a new tall CB, that’s all. Jack Hendry would be ideal though I don’t know how good he is.

[martin_p]

Lots of debate about my reference to Taylor’s height, well I haven’t got the tape measure out personally but I thought Charlie was 5ft 9 and Ben Mee who somebody mentioned above is 6ft. Cornet is 5ft 10 for comparison.

Not off Wikipedia, off one of the football database sites. I simply think we will need a new tall CB, that’s all. Jack Hendry would be ideal though I don’t know how good he is.

I wouldn’t trust any of the sites. I googled Charlie Taylor height and got four different answers in the first page of results ranging from 175cm to 185cm. So about a four inch range there!

[Tricky Trevor]

Lots of debate about my reference to Taylor’s height, well I haven’t got the tape measure out personally but I thought Charlie was 5ft 9 and Ben Mee who somebody mentioned above is 6ft. Cornet is 5ft 10 for comparison.

Not off Wikipedia, off one of the football database sites. I simply think we will need a new tall CB, that’s all. Jack Hendry would be ideal though I don’t know how good he is.

Not the same photo as mentioned earlier but you can clearly see he measures up to Ash Barnes at over 6'.

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[Cleveleys_claret]

Jack Hendry would be ideal though I don’t know how good he is.

So a player is ideal although you don't know if he is good enough. This is the rubbish we have to put with on here

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I think it is pretty clear that Pace chose Cornet, Weghorst and McNally
Dyche picked Collins and Roberts
Kompany has picked everyone else

Pace knows next to nothing about football but thankfully was just about smart enough to realise that Kompany might know better.

Jfw you're absolutely off your head.

Pace is dealing with the financial side of the transfers, he's going for who the manager has requested.

Kompany is choosing the players in accordance with his budget and isn't doing any of the negotiations, players wages, agents fees etc.

It's a joint effort but you're absolutely desperate to tell us all that Pace isn't involved and doesn't have a clue, but you're miles off with your belief.

[Taffy on the wing]

FWIW.......I thought we were using analytics to identify bargains (Money Ball) wherever they might be.
Some of our recent arrivals are obviously recommended by VK, but Twine and McNally i suspect are courtesy of the Algorithm.

[Darnhill Claret]

I’m not particularly bothered who chose who, but what is very clear to me, is VK would walk away from a project if he ever thought that his position was being undermined by an interfering chairman/owner. VK’s footballing ego could help to keep him at the club longer than many might predict. He and his wife might wish to stay in the north west, so I personally hope that Everton have a good season. United too.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

"Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION" has turned into how much have we saved on wages from outgoing places and is Charlie Taylor a centre-back thread.

This board ffs..

[CharlieinNewMexico]

I admire your loyalty to your compatriot.

But I stand by my view - the best things Pace has done has been to hire Kompany and keep out of our recruitment policy.

Everything else has been a net negative for our club but thanks to VK we have a chance of getting out of this division and creating something interesting.

My compatriot? I’m from Burnley. Born in Bank Hall, raised in Brierfield. I’ve just lived here 30 years.

Good attempt at racism though.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Charlie has a record of trying to get posters he doesn't agree with banned, best to ignore him

I have a record of calling out people that use bigotry as a means of argument, Elizabeth.

So, as you well know, i fell out with you.

But hey, I’m sure you’re happy keeping up your bigoted ways

[forzagranata]

Jfw you're absolutely off your head.

Pace is dealing with the financial side of the transfers, he's going for who the manager has requested.

Kompany is choosing the players in accordance with his budget and isn't doing any of the negotiations, players wages, agents fees etc.

It's a joint effort but you're absolutely desperate to tell us all that Pace isn't involved and doesn't have a clue, but you're miles off with your belief.

You are not disagreeing with me. That is exactly what I was saying - Kompany is doing the recruitment and the club finance people, including Pace, are handling contracts.

But that is only happening because Pace, who don't forget signed Cornet and Weghorst and tried to sign Orsic, has now stepped back and is letting VK identify the targets.

I understand the reason why VK was initially reluctant to take the job was because Pace wanted to do the recruitment with his 'data team' and limit VK to coaching. He eventually took the job on the very clear understanding that he was bringing in the players. I think there have been one or two players who have come in based on Pace's people's ideas but obviously the Belgian League and Man City connected players are VK signings.

This is all positive and exactly how it should be.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

You are not disagreeing with me. That is exactly what I was saying - Kompany is doing the recruitment and the club finance people, including Pace, are handling contracts.

But that is only happening because Pace, who don't forget signed Cornet and Weghorst and tried to sign Orsic, has now stepped back and is letting VK identify the targets.

I understand the reason why VK was initially reluctant to take the job was because Pace wanted to do the recruitment with his 'data team' and limit VK to coaching. He eventually took the job on the very clear understanding that he was bringing in the players. I think there have been one or two players who have come in based on Pace's people's ideas but obviously the Belgian League and Man City connected players are VK signings.

This is all positive and exactly how it should be.

When someone says “I understand” I just assume they’re making things up. Quote your source that made you “understand”

Yes, yes, I know you couldn’t possibly “reveal your source” surprise surprise

[forzagranata]

It's hardly a big secret to be fair.

Pace was talking openly about his 'data led' recruitment for ages. But whatever data is being used is clearly being used to analyze targets already identified by VK.

Unless you think Pace goes on Wyscout on his laptop and is discovering players from Antwerp and Cercle Brugge?

[Burnley Ace]

Would someone be able to do a “rumours recap” - what’s still ongoing and what’s faded away?

[claretandy]

It seems like by playing hardball over Cornet's release clause, we have got the full 17.5m up front.

https://www.90min.com/posts/west-ham-ag ... wel-cornet

[CharlieinNewMexico]

It's hardly a big secret to be fair.

Pace was talking openly about his 'data led' recruitment for ages. But whatever data is being used is clearly being used to analyze targets already identified by VK.

Unless you think Pace goes on Wyscout on his laptop and is discovering players from Antwerp and Cercle Brugge?

So your “I understand” pomposity is just public knowledge that we’ve all been reading for months.

Interesting.

[Conroy92]

Agree with this. Taylor is shorter than Cornet, Lowton and Cork - that is one attribute he cannot improve. Teams will target that at set pieces and with general play crosses. We need enough men to mark their tallest players. I expect one more big CB signing, in more ways than one.

Charlie Taylor is the same height as Cannavaro

[Woodleyclaret]

Re cb wrongs wrong with McNally very dominant for Oxford and can play out from the back

[Tricky Trevor]

I don’t know the lad, McNally, at all but the step up a division might take more work. Scott Twine certainly didn’t look out of place in his brief appearance

[Rileybobs]

It's hardly a big secret to be fair.

Pace was talking openly about his 'data led' recruitment for ages. But whatever data is being used is clearly being used to analyze targets already identified by VK.

Unless you think Pace goes on Wyscout on his laptop and is discovering players from Antwerp and Cercle Brugge?

There is a recruitment team at Burnley responsible for identifying and analysing and players. Alan Pace will have absolutely nothing to do with the hands-on day to day running of this process. It’s very well known that our player analysis rarely extended beyond the UK and Ireland but that has changed over the last few years as is evident with the signings of Cornet and Weghorst etc.

Kompany has come in and has clearly been able to recommended players who he has either first hand experience of working with, or had the opportunity to see up close. Perhaps they had been been targets brought to his attention by his recruitment team at Anderlecht.

As with any multi-million pound purchase, BFC’s team will have done their due diligence on these players which will include a full analysis. It’s highly likely that these players were already on our database before being recommended by Kompany. Obviously with Kompany’s backing these players become more of a low-risk signing, and with his profile in Belgium they become easier to attain.

[Robbo1882]

So who is the next lucky player that is going to join us

[winsomeyen]

I have a record of calling out people that use bigotry as a means of argument, Elizabeth.

So, as you well know, i fell out with you.

But hey, I’m sure you’re happy keeping up your bigoted ways

Are you wearing your sandals as you type ?

[Quickenthetempo]

Jfw you're absolutely off your head.

Pace is dealing with the financial side of the transfers, he's going for who the manager has requested.

Kompany is choosing the players in accordance with his budget and isn't doing any of the negotiations, players wages, agents fees etc.

It's a joint effort but you're absolutely desperate to tell us all that Pace isn't involved and doesn't have a clue, but you're miles off with your belief.

Chairman or CEOs have done the negotiations in football for years now. Garlick did ours before Pace.
Seeing as Pace is doing both jobs it's a certainty.

I think the last manager of ours to sort all transfers was Stan Ternent. Maybe Coyle did some?