Maatsen

[Roosterbooster]

Seeing a replay, don’t think he was trying to break his leg, nor was it a red.

He wasn't going for the ball in any shape or form. He was just taking Maatsen out of the game. It's a red card every day of the week. But unfortunately not given most of the time

Even if he wasn't trying to break his leg, if he isn't attempting to go for the ball then it's violent conduct

[Spiral]

A ridiculous moment which was the cherry on the top of a totally ridiculous game of football overall. Entertaining, but ridiculous. Brilliant at times, but ridiculous. It was like watching the very best and the very worst of Brazil all at once.

[Vegas Claret]

for anyone who thinks it wasn't a red....
https://twitter.com/StokeyyG2/status/15 ... HumyAlqsyg

[Lowbankclaret]

He wasn't going for the ball in any shape or form. He was just taking Maatsen out of the game. It's a red card every day of the week. But unfortunately not given most of the time

Even if he wasn't trying to break his leg, if he isn't attempting to go for the ball then it's violent conduct

It was a professional foul and as such cynical.

I still think yellow.

[Lowbankclaret]

for anyone who thinks it wasn't a red....
https://twitter.com/StokeyyG2/status/15 ... HumyAlqsyg

Twitter sphere is wondering why the Blackpool player got a red.

[Jamesy]

It wasn't even violent conduct, he pushed him in the chest.

For a little lad, Maatsen pushed him with some force…… in the back. Defo a sending off.

[Spiral]

Seen worse than the Blackpool lad's challenge get punished with a yellow.

[Roosterbooster]

It was a professional foul and as such cynical.

I still think yellow.

"Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball"

He wasn't challenging for the ball. The ball was long gone before he'd even lunged into the "tackle". These get yellow most of the time, but that's incorrect in my view

[Beagle]

I actually don't think either was a red. But that's why I'm not a referee.

[Jamesy]

I actually don't think either was a red. But that's why I'm not a referee.

You haven’t got cataracts by any chance have you pal?

[Rileybobs]

Let the side down today and for the next couple of league games. Real shame as he’s a fantastic player and integral to how we play.

[Rileybobs]

for anyone who thinks it wasn't a red....
https://twitter.com/StokeyyG2/status/15 ... HumyAlqsyg

Clear red for both players. You can’t just kick someone and you certainly can’t do what Maatsen did.

[Jamesy]

Let the side down today and for the next couple of league games. Real shame as he’s a fantastic player and integral to how we play.

He is still a little bit raw but exciting to watch. Vincent needs to use the three games he is suspended for wisely. Primarily to look at a possible centre half pairing starting with the Shrewsbury game assuming Charlie will be back at LB for the league games.

[KefkaClaret]

Anyone surprised he sent the Blackpool player off?

[RVclaret]

Anyone surprised he sent the Blackpool player off?

Not at all. Deliberate hack and high on his leg. Can’t do that.

[Roosterbooster]

for anyone who thinks it wasn't a red....
https://twitter.com/StokeyyG2/status/15 ... HumyAlqsyg

Yep. Maatsen's is a clear red. You can't do that. It wasn't a push or shove. It was real aggression

And I haven't changed my mind on their red either. It's just a hack at him with no attempt to win the ball

Both deserved, and probably the best decisions made by the ref all game

[Middle-agedClaret]

for anyone who thinks it wasn't a red....
https://twitter.com/StokeyyG2/status/15 ... HumyAlqsyg

Positively scarlet.

[Elizabeth]

Part of his learning curve today

[Spindles]

I would say that the Blackpool lad just kicked him, not a tackle or attempt or anything. Probably would have got a yellow but for Maatsen's reaction but it deserved a red in my view.

[alwaysaclaret]

It was his shin pads not armband ffs

I'll stand to be corrected but as I saw it, 4 items were thrown to the ground.

[NewClaret]

Just a little shoulder charge, that

[Spijed]

Will the Blackpool player get a one or three game ban?

[NewClaret]

I don't think you've read the rules right. It says "in addition" before the head or face bit. He clearly used excessive force against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, so it's bang to rights a red card. It doesn't have to be the head or face.

Hadn’t read that properly, you’re right. I read it as “when challenging for the ball”… but wasn’t questioning the red, just whether the violent conduct threshold had been met. Which is yes, both based on correct interpretation of the rules and watching it from the other angle which looks much, much worse than the earlier clip I saw.

Not sure the Blackpool player deserved a red tbh.

[NewClaret]

Will the Blackpool player get a one or three game ban?

One, I’d have thought.

[fidelcastro]

One, I’d have thought.

It'll also be three games.

[Claret Toni]

I might be remembering this wrong, but early in the 2nd half Maatsen was doing the skilful bit on 3 Blackpool players and one of them clubbed him on the head. Jay Rod was incensed. The Ref didn't do much. So when Maatsen got the kicked the next time, as a 20 year old, he took the law into his own hands and got punished. Hopefully VK will read him the riot.

Think Maatsen was also sent off at Coventry. Needs to learn quickly 'cos he'll be targeted.

[daveisaclaret]

He was sent off at Cov but it was for this, so hardly a pattern of behaviour.

https://youtu.be/TEMpapg0yXg?t=8

[Claret Toni]

That's fair.

[Zlatan]

He ran 20 yards to bundle the lad over, anyone debating an appeal is deluded.

20 yards is a stretch, perhaps 5 yards. He shouldn’t have done it though, but I like to see the passion - he just needs to harness that in other ways

[strayclaret]

As a security guard said to me at Olympic Marseille you are a”head of dick”

[Rammy1968]

Pathetic reaction from Maatsen and a definite red. The Blackpool players was a yellow he just tripped him up. I think putting Charlie at left back might give us more defensively and as mad as it seems we might improve attacking wise as Chaz is more direct and plays balls into the box for the forwards

[Zlatan]

I think Maatsen was culpable at least for their second goal, he should’ve got goal side instead of trying to shepherd the player out. Disappointed with his reaction too

[taio]

I think Maatsen was culpable at least for their second goal, he should’ve got goal side instead of trying to shepherd the player out. Disappointed with his reaction too

It was poor defending for the reasons you say and unfathomable what he did to be sent off - seen far worse challenges and didn't think the Blackpool player deserved a straight red although I haven't seen it back so could be wrong.

[Goodclaret]

I don't think it's a red for their player either. A cynical foul to stop the break which deserves, and usually only ever gets, a yellow card.

Maatsen was a red all day long. Absolutely indefensible. Was it just me who thought clapping him off was the correct reaction from our fans? I sure as hell didn't clap him off.

[SouthLondonexile]

Out for the next three games. If he had rolled around a bit and took the free kick, then we might have won 4 - 3.
Needs a good talking to. I volunteer.

[quoonbeatz]

They're both violent conduct, no qualms with either red card. You can't just wildly boot someone with the ball nowhere near and you can't run 10 yards to barge someone over.

[taio]

They're both violent conduct, no qualms with either red card. You can't just wildly boot someone with the ball nowhere near and you can't run 10 yards to barge someone over.

I think the ball was nearer to him than you perhaps remember. Obviously a clear foul and yellow card but not sure it should've been a red card or regarded as violent conduct - will be interesting to see if the length of ban is three games in line with violent conduct.

[quoonbeatz]

I think the ball was nearer to him than you perhaps remember. Obviously a clear foul and yellow card but not sure it should've been a red card or regarded as violent conduct - will be interesting to see if the length of ban is three games in line with violent conduct.

The ball was past the Blackpool player so he just booted Maatsen. No attempt to play the ball whatsoever because it wasn't there for him to play.

[taio]

The ball was past the Blackpool player so he just booted Maatsen. No attempt to play the ball whatsoever because it wasn't there for him to play.

I need to watch it back. It was a poor challenge. But as I say it'll be interesting to see if he gets three game ban for violent conduct. I'd be surprised with that.

[quoonbeatz]

I need to watch it back. It was a poor challenge. But as I say it'll be interesting to see if he gets three game ban for violent conduct. I'd be surprised with that.

Not sure what he's been sent off for if it isn't tbh.

[arise_sir_charge]

Can’t believe anyone would think that it’s not a red card for the Blackpool player. It’s a wild and dangerous hack that could have caused any number of serious injuries.

It’s also a red for Maatsen of course.

[CoolClaret]

Pathetic reaction from Maatsen and a definite red. The Blackpool players was a yellow he just tripped him up. I think putting Charlie at left back might give us more defensively and as mad as it seems we might improve attacking wise as Chaz is more direct and plays balls into the box for the forwards

You’re joking he thuggishly booted him

They were doing bits of that all game - the refs have got to wise up to some antics that’s going on.

If yesterday was a game in the PL Blackpool would have had 5+ yellows easy

[taio]

Not sure what he's been sent off for if it isn't tbh.

I'd have thought serious foul play rather than violent conduct but probably a moot point as the ban may still be the same.

[Lowbankclaret]

"Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball"

He wasn't challenging for the ball. The ball was long gone before he'd even lunged into the "tackle". These get yellow most of the time, but that's incorrect in my view

Trips just committed exactly the same foul.Ref gave a red and then using VAR changed to a yellow. Blackpool player will likely get his card overturned on appeal. Maatsen will not unfortunately.

[Roosterbooster]

Trips just committed exactly the same foul.Ref gave a red and then using VAR changed to a yellow. Blackpool player will likely get his card overturned on appeal. Maatsen will not unfortunately.

Indeed. But the overturn was incorrect. Under "serious foul play" which is what VAR was looking at, I can see how that's a yellow. But there wasn't any attempt to play the ball. The ball was gone and Tripps just took De Bruyne out. Its violent conduct, and therefore a red

[Lowbankclaret]

Indeed. But the overturn was incorrect. Under "serious foul play" which is what VAR was looking at, I can see how that's a yellow. But there wasn't any attempt to play the ball. The ball was gone and Tripps just took De Bruyne out. Its violent conduct, and therefore a red

We will have to agree to dis agree. The VAR ref and the match ref obviouslY both agree it’s a yellow on review. As do the commentators.

[Roosterbooster]

We will have to agree to dis agree. The VAR ref and the match ref obviouslY both agree it’s a yellow on review. As do the commentators.

If the commentators and officials disagree with me then I'm now even more convinced that I'm right

[Grimsdale]

Exactly what Matic did to Barnes at Chelsea a few years ago.

Raising your hands is classed as violent conduct.

Worth noting that Chelsea appealed the red card in this case and got the ban reduced from three games to two.

Of course the chances of us getting the same leniency if we appealed are next to zero.

[Jakubs Tash]

I might be remembering this wrong, but early in the 2nd half Maatsen was doing the skilful bit on 3 Blackpool players and one of them clubbed him on the head. Jay Rod was incensed. The Ref didn't do much. So when Maatsen got the kicked the next time, as a 20 year old, he took the law into his own hands and got punished. Hopefully VK will read him the riot.

Think Maatsen was also sent off at Coventry. Needs to learn quickly 'cos he'll be targeted.

That was Nathan Tella - not Maatsen.

[dougcollins]

Trips just committed exactly the same foul.Ref gave a red and then using VAR changed to a yellow. Blackpool player will likely get his card overturned on appeal. Maatsen will not unfortunately.

Yep, really similar, no doubt they'll present the Trippier case in their defence.