Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[Nori1958]

Isaak is a top signing for Newcastle

10 goals in 40 odd games.... Good but not a top signing in my opinion.

[agreenwood]

Linked with Anderlecht’s Ait El Hadj - 20 year old attacking midfielder.

[agreenwood]

Here..

[Vegas Claret]

Just to repeat, Zaroury has mainly played as a striker / centre forward but can also operate on the wing.

being described elsewhere as more of a number 10, a Charleroi fan has described him as like Ben Arfa (they then added something like he's a bit erratic but I don't remember the exact wording tbh)

[KRBFC]

what happened to "NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION"?

Blame Vincent Kompany, not me

[Vegas Claret]

Blame Vincent Kompany, not me

what about the other 500 posts you've made about it ?

[bpgburn]

Blame Vincent Kompany, not me

Why, after the thread has just got back on track with rumours, have you come back trying to derail it again?

[jedi_master]

Linked with Anderlecht’s Ait El Hadj - 20 year old attacking midfielder.

Not sure he is what we need per se (although, perhaps seen as maybe an O'Hare alternative?), and another that is very short, however, when I was doing my dossing about on the Anderlecht forum in pre-season, he (and Sergio Gomez) were the two players they were desperate for us to show no interest in.

[tiger76]

One thing we can't deny about this window is we're now finding talent all over Europe, and that has to be down to Vincent Kompany in the main.

It has been one of the major gripes that we've not shopped abroad, well that claim certainly can't be laid at us in the current window.

I can't say I know much or anything about many of our overseas incomings, but this is where we have to place our trust in VK I guess.

[Newcastleclaret93]

10 goals in 40 odd games.... Good but not a top signing in my opinion.

Good player Isak

[bumba]

Bottom line is we had cash reserves until Garlick decided to sell to ALK to put us in a precarious situation

That's down to Garlick, he did that to sell

[bumba]

Works both ways though. To buy a player for, say, 4.2 million, we don’t have to spend 4.2 million now.

We don't but I think we're trying to pay up front, that's how it seems to me

[Vegas Claret]

It's not the unwillingness to pay it, it's the sad reality of VK saying we can't afford it. 8 years in the PL, All of Dyche's hardwork for nothing. Firesale all of our better players and not being able to adequately replace them. The sad truth of the club being used as an ATM to pay for American debts. We sold a kid from academy for £20m, just for that £20m to be given to an American. I find the whole situation incredibly sad, I predicted this a while ago too. I was here when the club was selling Chaplow, Lafferty, Andy Gray, Blake, Ade and the rest, just to keep the lights on, that was for the benefit of the club.

mate, we all stuck 10 quid in a bucket years ago to try and help sign a player. Our time and money in the PL is the anomaly not the other way around. Dyche's legacy is Barnfield and make no mistake that helped massively to attract Kompany and the new players.

[Newcastleclaret93]

We don't but I think we're trying to pay up front, that's how it seems to me

Why would we?

[roperclaret]

It's not the unwillingness to pay it, it's the sad reality of VK saying we can't afford it. 8 years in the PL, All of Dyche's hardwork for nothing. Firesale all of our better players and not being able to adequately replace them. The sad truth of the club being used as an ATM to pay for American debts. We sold a kid from academy for £20m, just for that £20m to be given to an American. I find the whole situation incredibly sad, I predicted this a while ago too. I was here when the club was selling Chaplow, Lafferty, Andy Gray, Blake, Ade and the rest, just to keep the lights on, that was for the benefit of the club.

How many different ways can you say the same thing over and over? You should try and let it go you might feel better.

[Bigvince]

Don’t feed the troll

[bumba]

Why would we?

Less debt, less interest, cheaper deals

[Duffer_]

Less debt, less interest, cheaper deals

Factoring receivables and 'accelerating' payables would appear a somewhat inconsistent and confused strategy.

[Steddyman]

I really don't get why whenever I make a comment about a persistent offender, it gets deleted. Unless one of them is a MOD.

[Bigvince]

Or a rocker

[mkmel]

Whatever happened to us signing players with names like Fred Smith?

[spt_claret]

just a reminder that Kompany said all the fees that have been quoted in the press have been way out. Nixon, Sacha and Romano are extremely reliable though in terms of names

Kompany said this in reference to incomings saying they were closer to half that. His comments support the idea we are refusing to go above a certain price.

[Jakubclaret]

Kompany said this in reference to incomings saying they were closer to half that. His comments support the idea we are refusing to go above a certain price.

Even without VK opening his mouth anybody with half a brain would know we are financially restricted that's why so many of the moves are breaking down due to that thorny impasse.

[RVclaret]

Even without VK opening his mouth anybody with half a brain would know we are financially restricted that's why so many of the moves are breaking down due to that thorny impasse.

‘So many of the moves’

Aside from this Georgian striker who are you referring to exactly? We’ve signed 12 players and I can barely think of one other move that broke down? Even O’Hare was looking more and more likely to join until his injury.

[Jakubclaret]

‘So many of the moves’

Aside from this Georgian striker who are you referring to exactly? We’ve signed 12 players and I can barely think of one other move that broke down? Even O’Hare was looking more and more likely to join until his injury.

Ballad personal terms & the other guy I can't pronounce his name, been a few others we've shown the interest & as soon as it's emerged what it'd cost the interest has disappeared as rapidly as a rat up a drainpipe.

[Murger]

If we are signing another short arse, we really need to start putting games to bed. We don't have the height to deal with an aerial onslaught.

[RVclaret]

Ballad personal terms & the other guy I can't pronounce his name, been a few others we've shown the interest & as soon as it's emerged what it'd cost the interest has disappeared as rapidly as a rat up a drainpipe.

Ballard, how do you know we didn’t make the move to ‘force’ Oxford to lower their asking price (quickly) for McNally, who we’d already had 2/3 bids rejected for?

Not sure who the others are you are referring to and perhaps telling you can’t remember them either.

[Belial]

If we are signing another short arse, we really need to start putting games to bed. We don't have the height to deal with an aerial onslaught.

It's a major concern if it is the case as it could be a legitimate weakness to exploit (set pieces)

[summitclaret]

It's a major concern if it is the case as it could be a legitimate weakness to exploit (set pieces)

It's not could it is.

[forzagranata]

Linked with Anderlecht’s Ait El Hadj - 20 year old attacking midfielder.

Started eight league games for Kompany last season.

[Longtimeclaret]

Ballad personal terms & the other guy I can't pronounce his name, been a few others we've shown the interest & as soon as it's emerged what it'd cost the interest has disappeared as rapidly as a rat up a drainpipe.

Don’t normally post in response to views like this , as it is difficult to substantiate an opposite view, without revealing sources
On this occasion I will
Ballard failed his medical ,and needs regular cortisone injections .As soon as that became clear to the management team , we pulled out pronto

[scouseclaret]

Why are we constantly being linked with more wingers/attacking midfielders? How many do we need???

Also, they all seems to be valued around £4m, yet we apparently can’t afford that for the striker we so desperately need?

[Jakubclaret]

Don’t normally post in response to views like this , as it is difficult to substantiate an opposite view, without revealing sources
On this occasion I will
Ballard failed his medical ,and needs regular cortisone injections .As soon as that became clear to the management team , we pulled out pronto

& the lad from Coventry? We seemed to be linked with players & the line that's trotted out that people have failed medicals or aren't fit or couldn't make the medical but seem to miraculously recover in time to clinch deals with other clubs, we just aren't good at getting SOME deals over the line & seemingly are reluctant to pay the going rate for the people, the debts got a stranglehold & evil influence over the club & excuses are just made up concealing the clear negative impact it's having on the club.

[scouseclaret]

I think he'd be extremely poor in the new system. We are after a striker to link the play and bring the midfielders forward. That's not Wood.
If it's target man your after both Rodriguez and Barnes are better equipped to play that way.
Without us crossing any balls into the box or punting them forwards Wood would be an absolute passenger.

Personally I believe one of the reasons Wood was successful for us was that we shaped the team around him, I also believe it stifled the goals elsewhere.

If we are not intending to cross balls into the box, why do we keep sighing wingers?

[Longtimeclaret]

& the lad from Coventry? We seemed to be linked with players & the line that's trotted out that people have failed medicals or aren't fit or couldn't make the medical but seem to miraculously recover in time to clinch deals with other clubs, we just aren't good at getting SOME deals over the line & seemingly are reluctant to pay the going rate for the people, the debts got a stranglehold & evil influence over the club & excuses are just made up concealing the clear negative impact it's having on the club.

Don’t know about O’Hare,but Ballard failed his medical , and VK was tipped off by contacts at Arsenal regarding the lads medical situation

[DCWat]

If we are not intending to cross balls into the box, why do we keep sighing wingers?

We got round that by opting for wingers without end product.

I jest of course - very early days for the new wingers - and they haven’t a lot to aim at!!

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Don’t normally post in response to views like this , as it is difficult to substantiate an opposite view, without revealing sources
On this occasion I will
Ballard failed his medical ,and needs regular cortisone injections .As soon as that became clear to the management team , we pulled out pronto

Wasn't that the same thing with Ledley King?

[RVclaret]

If we are not intending to cross balls into the box, why do we keep sighing wingers?

City have played with wingers for the past x amount of years.

Doesn’t mean you have to cross spam the box.

Tella looks to be relatively central so far.

Churlinov played in the 10 last night.

This Zaroury plays in the 10 / centre forward / wing.

[Taffy on the wing]

& the lad from Coventry? We seemed to be linked with players & the line that's trotted out that people have failed medicals or aren't fit or couldn't make the medical but seem to miraculously recover in time to clinch deals with other clubs, we just aren't good at getting SOME deals over the line & seemingly are reluctant to pay the going rate for the people, the debts got a stranglehold & evil influence over the club & excuses are just made up concealing the clear negative impact it's having on the club.

Go and lay down somewhere, you'll soon feel better.

[RVclaret]

Belgian press suggesting Zaroury had interest from Club Brugges but has chosen to join us

[xxmunkyennuixx]

Every club has financial limitations and should operate within them. It is probably the case that ours are lower because of the takeover. I have kind of determined to accept that until it appears that the club is properly heading into peril.

What is really positive under Vinny is that we are finding alternative solutions should we be priced out. Contrast with the Dale Stephens' window. He clearly has an eye for a player, great contacts and is inspirational for a good many yound players when they meet him. I am surprised by this window. I was uncertain we'd sign the numbers for our depleted squad. Some of the players look really useful as well. If the Metz lad is costly then Vinny will try to find an alternative.

Dyche did the same early on in his time here. It is a return to what we used to do.

[Hipper]

I know nothing whatsoever about this lad, except to say that he's been a reasonable regular for Charleroi, who finished a fairly creditable 7th last season - can't be said that the kid had a spectacular goalscoring record but there's lots of possible reasons for that.

What I would say is that the theme that runs through virtually every striker we've been linked with is that they are not target men. They are generally strikers who would play off a target man in the sort of system we've been used to at Burnley. It does look very much as though Barnes and Jay will be our principle "target men" options once the window has closed, and whilst finances are clearly an issue generally, that much appears to be Kompany's choice. One observation I'd certainly make is that at times in the games I've seen it's been abundantly obvious that we'd benefit more from having someone running the channels and behind to give us an outball, than from having a big fella to knock it into - and at times Rodriguez (and perhaps even more so Barnes) would benefit from having someone running off them to create space and provide options.

Is this a good thing or bad? Time will tell. One thing I think it does need is reinforce the need for more height at the back because otherwise we will be a very small, and bullyable, team, particularly at set plays.

Something like this was going on with Barnes and Churlinov at Shrewsbury in the first half (Churlinov only played the first half). I assumed Tella, who replaced him, would do the same but didn't notice that so much. I reckon JBG could do that job too.

[Tricky Trevor]

If we are signing another short arse, we really need to start putting games to bed. We don't have the height to deal with an aerial onslaught.

I think they are expecting our 6’13” keeper to claim most of the open play crosses, in the danger zone. Dead balls could be a problem.

[Dark Cloud]

Why do you think this? I'd have thought that the intention was that the majority would be kept. They will have had a season playing as required and, if we do get promoted, were obviously successful at it.

There will obviously be a few that would be surplus to requirements but that's the same for any promoted team. I'd imagine that the main transfer activity would be replacing the loanees and a few like Cork and Rodriguez who are getting to the end of the career. I can't see us doing a second rebuild.

. Well tbf you've kind of answered the question. A good number of all promoted sides are (or maybe should be) deemed surplus to requirements on said elevation as what's more than good enough in the Championship isn't necessarily good enough in the PL and we know that very well. I was suggesting that we MIGHT be reluctant to pay big money for certain players who would then be on big wages because if we did go up, we might want to move them on and take on better quality if we're serious about competing . I do of course accept that that won't be everyone or even the majority, but we'd have to see

[Goody1975]

If the link with Zaroury is correct and he signs then maybe all our attention will turn to a centre half and that is the reason we didn't pursue Mikautadze.

I assume Zaroury will cost less than Mikautadze and hopefully we are still in the market for a commanding defender or two. We all want height and presence but I am desperate for extra pace at the back and that includes the right back area.

[claretburns]

Belgian press suggesting Zaroury had interest from Club Brugges but has chosen to join us

His wiki page shows he has played 3 times for Chaleroi and scored 50 goals, get him signed!

[claretspice]

Something like this was going on with Barnes and Churlinov at Shrewsbury in the first half (Churlinov only played the first half). I assumed Tella, who replaced him, would do the same but didn't notice that so much. I reckon JBG could do that job too.

it was also evident at times with Tella in the first half on Saturday. I think we'll see quite a lot of Rodriguez in particular ultimately playing more like a 10/false nine - the way Kane does at Spurs who is a similar sort of player than Jay (if much better). I also think that will peculiarly suit Barnes a little more too - whilst he's always thrived on the physical stuff, he's generally performed better with a strike partner going beyond him (Ings, Gray, Wood) and giving him more licence to drop side to side to hold the ball - and also, a lot of Barnes' goals for Burnley have come from arriving on the scene a little later rather than waiting in the box for a ball to drop for him. We'll see.

[KRBFC]

Every club has financial limitations and should operate within them. It is probably the case that ours are lower because of the takeover. I have kind of determined to accept that until it appears that the club is properly heading into peril.

What is really positive under Vinny is that we are finding alternative solutions should we be priced out. Contrast with the Dale Stephens' window. He clearly has an eye for a player, great contacts and is inspirational for a good many yound players when they meet him. I am surprised by this window. I was uncertain we'd sign the numbers for our depleted squad. Some of the players look really useful as well. If the Metz lad is costly then Vinny will try to find an alternative.

Dyche did the same early on in his time here. It is a return to what we used to do.

It's fine signing cheaper alternatives but more than likely, they wont be as good, nor will they have much resale value. O'Hare might have cost £8m now but I'd be very confident in saying he'll sell for £15m-20m in the next 2-3 years. Benson might have been the cheap alternative at £4m but he's nowhere near as good right now, he has a much lower ceiling therefor isn't a constant rising asset.

Collins was the perfect deal for flipping young players, he cost a pretty penny at £11m but he had an incredibly high ceiling and was ready to be used now. Then there's the here and now, our best players are the loans. Does it not make sense to sign players to gain promotion now? If we are broke now after almost £100m in sales (in 2022) then how to do we up the quality next year when the parachute payments are lowered?

To me, it seems we're buying these younger players because they are unproven and cheaper, not with a clear target to resell or gain promotion. How many of the players look to have any resale value? Mcnally and CJ aren't gonna quadruple in value anytime soon when they can't even get on the pitch.

[tiger76]

& the lad from Coventry? We seemed to be linked with players & the line that's trotted out that people have failed medicals or aren't fit or couldn't make the medical but seem to miraculously recover in time to clinch deals with other clubs, we just aren't good at getting SOME deals over the line & seemingly are reluctant to pay the going rate for the people, the debts got a stranglehold & evil influence over the club & excuses are just made up concealing the clear negative impact it's having on the club.

Seeing as you probably won't be attending anytime soon I don't know why you're so perplexed about it.

For sake of argument if we'd have forked out £10m for O'Hare, then he'd sustained a serious injury, I'll wager you'd be one of the first to be complaining why we spent a fortune on him.

Regarding what happens in the boardroom we can't affect that, however what we can do is show up at TM and roar on the boys.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Who said we're broke?
What's the issue with signing "unproven and cheaper" players to develop them and either keep like we did with Mee or sell them on?

O'Hare is out for the foreseeable, not sure why he's relevant to the conversation, maybe it's time to move on from him...