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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by Pearcey » Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:20 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:
Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:18 pm
They never made a move for him before, why would they in the future?
Because he’d be free.

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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by Shaggy » Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:26 pm

See the Dyche lovers are out in force again..

Stoke will be as good as he can get. Ain’t no EPL club touching Dyche.

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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by agreenwood » Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:27 pm

Don’t think Stoke would be a great move for him.

Does well and he’s got another few years treading water at his previous level. Goes badly and it’d be a huge dent in his reputation.

Better to wait for a bigger job in my view.
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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by KRBFC » Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:30 pm

Some managers just click at one club and for a multitude of reasons it doesn't quite happen for them elsewhere. I think towards the end of his time here his decision making was just insane at times, looked like decisions from a man burnt out and in need of a break.

Honestly baffling how a PL manager can sign that version of Dale Stephens.
Kicking it long with Cornet upfront.
Swapping strikers while trying to hang onto a lead.
Winning 2 games in a row then a point at Palace with Cork starting then randomly dropping him completely.
Cornet on the bench alot.
No matter how well Pieters/Collins/Cork played they were replaced asap.

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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by Colburn_Claret » Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:31 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:16 pm
I think wherever Dyche ends up next he will be likely to fail and underachieve. Football management is far from an exact science and as well as talent it often also requires some luck and things just naturally falling in to place.

Not many managers are successful at two jobs in a row and whilst I think Dyche will do well somewhere at some point in the future I doubt it will be his next club.
I disagree.
One of Dyche's biggest strengths is he doesn't try to make a silk purse out of a pigs ear. He will have them organised, especially at the back, from the get go.
Any team that is organised are hard to beat, and SD knows how to make the most of what he's got.

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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by Pickles » Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:40 pm

Would be surprised if he got a Prem job. Forest possibly.

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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by ClaretLoup » Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:41 pm

I wonder how long it will be before Vinny realises you won’t get promoted playing the style of football and signing the types of players he has done on the budget Alan has given him. So far it looks like his best signings have been loanees.

That was the genius of Dyche, he evolved a pragmatic successful game plan that got us to seventh in the EPL table on the budget he was given, which first full year was almost zero. Furthermore I firmly believe if we would have had Defour and JBG fit in the season we finished seventh we would have finished above Arsenal.

Attacking wise he put together some great combos, Ings & Sam, Sam and Andre, Wood and Barnes. He also introduced an exciting winger in McNeil.

If you remember we won 1 -0 at Palace with Kev Long and about five youth team players on the bench. We finished tenth only three seasons ago. That’s when the money dried up.

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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by Stayingup » Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:46 pm

SkiptonClaret wrote:
Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:48 am
Yeah, right.
442 and straight lines. No foreign players (ideally).
Game has moved on.
Moved on from what? Rather daft comment. Burnley, not Dyche didn't have foreign contacts not his fault at all. Scouting. But lets face it he signed some quality players and had some of them.played on Saturday Blackpool.would never have scored.

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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:57 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:56 am
About time you moved on too.
Not while he still finds himself funny with the ******** he spouts

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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:00 pm

SkiptonClaret wrote:
Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:48 am
Yeah, right.
442 and straight lines. No foreign players (ideally).
Game has moved on.
So you are now, on top of everything else, calling Dyche a liar with the no foreign players suggestion. I know you had no time for him from day one but this comment is unacceptable.

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Roosterbooster » Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:03 pm

If I were him I'd wait for Norwich

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by ClaretAndJew » Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:16 pm

If he waits a little while and the people,who hate how Kompany is playing out from the back, Dyche might be a perfect fit here.

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:21 pm

Dyche is a good egg he's just waiting for the right opportunity to come along & when it does he'll be back in a job, he'll be well respected throughout the game for what he achieved whilst here.

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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:14 pm

Shaggy wrote:
Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:26 pm
See the Dyche lovers are out in force again..

Stoke will be as good as he can get. Ain’t no EPL club touching Dyche.
This is just stupid tbh.

Your saying Kompany is better which is laughable.

His greatest managerial achievement is finishing third in three horse race two years in a row. If he achieves half of what Dyche does il be amazed.

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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:31 pm

Shaggy wrote:
Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:26 pm
See the Dyche lovers are out in force again..

Stoke will be as good as he can get. Ain’t no EPL club touching Dyche.
Dyche lovers? Don't make a complete fool of yourself.

What we have is a lot of people who appreciate Sean Dyche and if you wish to know why then look at our record for much of the time he was with us. Two promotions, seven Premier League seasons, a trip to Europe, wins at Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester United.

It's called respect for the best manager we've had since Harry Potts.
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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:39 pm

Joey Barton is favourite for the job.

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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:40 pm

Shaggy wrote:
Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:26 pm
See the Dyche lovers are out in force again..

Stoke will be as good as he can get. Ain’t no EPL club touching Dyche.
I didn't really enjoy the football on show tbh BUT I have 100% respect for the man. Worked absolute miracles given the lack of budget - give him the Villa or Everton budget and he will do far better than Gerrard or Lampard have done imho
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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by Bosscat » Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:43 pm

Shaggy wrote:
Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:26 pm
See the Dyche lovers are out in force again..

Stoke will be as good as he can get. Ain’t no EPL club touching Dyche.
🤣🤣🤣

I do hope this is a wind up or at least an attempt at "dick of the month" post 🤣

Regardless of what folk think of Dyches last couple of seasons in charge ...

His 10yr tenure at Burnley makes him one of BFC's best ever managers after Harry Potts

2 promotions to the PL (one as championship winner)
A European place finishing 7th
7 PL seasons

Your really do come across as fool ... if I were you I would go back to kindergarten
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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by RMutt » Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:49 pm

People are beginning to judge Dyche on his last season here unfortunately. They’re forgetting the previous fantastic years. Similar to Stoke fans who moaned about the football with Pullis but they’ve not really pulled up many trees since he left.
We are probably very similar. Bothl sets of fans would like to see attractive free flowing football but doing it on a budget is more difficult than some appreciate.

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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:51 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:56 am
Whenever there were vacancies amongst the established PL clubs whilst he was at Burnley he was always quoted by the bookmakers at 40/1 or higher.
Palace made a serious enquiry the other year, but the cost of getting him out of his contract put them off.
Sunderland had something agreed and then Dick Advocaat decided to stay, this was after he'd got them promoted back into the PL 7yrs ago.

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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:05 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:43 pm
🤣🤣🤣

I do hope this is a wind up or at least an attempt at "dick of the month" post 🤣

Regardless of what folk think of Dyches last couple of seasons in charge ...

His 10yr tenure at Burnley makes him one of BFC's best ever managers after Harry Potts

2 promotions to the PL (one as championship winner)
A European place finishing 7th
7 PL seasons

Your really do come across as fool ... if I were you I would go back to kindergarten
Dick of the month should be a sticky, I reckon I could be up for that on the odd occasion even though the competition is clearly fierce :D

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by claretandy » Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:25 pm

Nixon reckons that the caretaker is going to be given first dibs.

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by kentonclaret » Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:46 pm

The BBC refer to the signing of highly rated Manchester City youngster Liam Delap, and the fact that they have only managed to beat Blackpool, but Delap only signed for Stoke on 18 August so far too soon to judge what impact the new signing will have. Tarique Fosu only joined from Brentford 2 days before Delap.

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by tiger76 » Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:55 pm

Beat Blackpool and then you get shown the door, no wonder Vinny didn't want us to win on Saturday. (Only joking BTW)

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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by Bosscat » Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:56 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:05 pm
Dick of the month should be a sticky, I reckon I could be up for that on the odd occasion even though the competition is clearly fierce :D
We all do it Vegas at times but bloody hell
🤣🤣🤣
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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Ric_C » Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:04 pm

Wilder also linked according to my mate who's a Boro fan. Something doesn't seem right at Boro

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Bosscat » Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:16 pm

Ric_C wrote:
Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:04 pm
Wilder also linked according to my mate who's a Boro fan. Something doesn't seem right at Boro
I will ask my Stepson and family up at Guisborough on Sunday when we go up for a family bbq 😉
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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by kentonclaret » Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:35 pm

Ric_C wrote:
Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:04 pm
Wilder also linked according to my mate who's a Boro fan. Something doesn't seem right at Boro
That would be ironic seeing as Wilder was thrilled to beat Stoke to the key signing of defender Matt Clarke from Brighton this week. Boro have already bought in a forward from Fulham and at least 2 more signings expected.

With Wilder being backed in the transfer market it would be surprising if he left the Riverside for Stoke City.

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:43 pm

Ric_C wrote:
Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:04 pm
Wilder also linked according to my mate who's a Boro fan. Something doesn't seem right at Boro
Alex Neil, Wilder & Daniel Farke now favourites with Sky Bet - followed by Barton & Dyche

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:36 pm

Hopefully Dyche gets the job before the transfer window is over and he comes in for Barnes

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Wokingclaret » Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:00 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:16 pm
I will ask my Stepson and family up at Guisborough on Sunday when we go up for a family bbq 😉
I was brought up in Guisborough :lol:

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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:03 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:14 pm
This is just stupid tbh.

Your saying Kompany is better which is laughable.

His greatest managerial achievement is finishing third in three horse race two years in a row. If he achieves half of what Dyche does il be amazed.
Confirmation you are constantly on the wind up given what you used to post about Dyche every time we didn’t win a game!
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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Bosscat » Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:21 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:
Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:00 pm
I was brought up in Guisborough :lol:
Funnily enough my Step Daughter (his sister) and Family live in Woking ... Bloody small world innit 🤣
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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by EarbyClaret » Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:22 pm

Under the right circumstances either Stoke or West Brom would be a great fit for Dyche and he's certainly capable of getting both in or around the top six

Can't see him taking the job at this time though. Five games into the season, a week of the window left - no time to bring in the players he would want or the opportunity to get the team playing his preferred system - O'Neill played a rigid 3-5-2 apparently and either wouldn't or couldn't adapt it

If the opportunity had come up around the time of the World Cup break then maybe things could have been different

The timing points to Stoke having a candidate lined-up - either an internal appointment or someone currently without a club

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Wokingclaret » Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:23 pm

About 91 miles from Guisborough to Burnley, we did it many a time.
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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:17 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:16 pm
If he waits a little while and the people,who hate how Kompany is playing out from the back, Dyche might be a perfect fit here.
Fortunately fans don't choose the manager.

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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by fatboy47 » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:56 pm

ClaretLoup wrote:
Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:41 pm
We finished tenth only three seasons ago. That’s when the money dried up.

It didn't dry up.

It was channelled elsewhere.

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Stayingup » Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:08 pm

If he goes to Stoke he'll win promotion in a season and establish them in the Premier League no question about it. They have a good owner who will back him unlike his last 2/3 years at Burnley. I wish him well. Top man and brought great pleasure watching his teams beat the elite. It wont happen again at Burnley.

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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by ClaretLoup » Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:49 am

fatboy47 wrote:
Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:56 pm
It didn't dry up.

It was channelled elsewhere.
Ok I will finish the sentence - the money dried up for Dyche to spend on maintaining the playing squad.

To get it into perspective net spend on players over the last six seasons in EPL was approx £95 million. The buyout was circa £200 million. My understanding is that the directors sold out to Pace sevenfold what they paid for the club.

Surely anyone who owns a football club would like that kind of return on their investment.

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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by bobinho » Fri Aug 26, 2022 6:48 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:31 pm
I disagree.
One of Dyche's biggest strengths is he doesn't try to make a silk purse out of a pigs ear. He will have them organised, especially at the back, from the get go.
Any team that is organised are hard to beat, and SD knows how to make the most of what he's got.
And one of his biggest weaknesses was he couldn’t actually recognise the silk purse when he had it. 🤔😉🤣

Massive fan for most of his time here, but let’s not forget he was a stubborn old goat when it came to team selections.

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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by bobinho » Fri Aug 26, 2022 6:55 am

ClaretLoup wrote:
Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:41 pm
He also introduced an exciting winger in McNeil.
I think we all remember the introduction of McNeil, and I think we all remember that it had NOTHING to do with Dyche wanting to introduce a new attacking threat.
If we hadn’t had the injuries we did in midfield at the time, there’s not a snowballs chance Dwight would’ve got a start.

Did a lot of things right did Dyche, and brought some wonderful times to us all, but let’s not pretend he was a developer of young talent and a champion of the youth.

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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by Shaggy » Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:15 am

ClaretLoup wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:49 am
Ok I will finish the sentence - the money dried up for Dyche to spend on maintaining the playing squad.

To get it into perspective net spend on players over the last six seasons in EPL was approx £95 million. The buyout was circa £200 million. My understanding is that the directors sold out to Pace sevenfold what they paid for the club.

Surely anyone who owns a football club would like that kind of return on their investment.
Dyche also had the option to sell players so he could re-invest and chose not too. Would rather hand out contracts to old has-beens instead hence why we are now relegated with a huge rebuild underway.

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:16 am

Shaggy gets more clueless with every post

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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by CoolClaret » Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:21 am

Shaggy wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:15 am
Dyche also had the option to sell players so he could re-invest and chose not too. Would rather hand out contracts to old has-beens instead hence why we are now relegated with a huge rebuild underway.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Either a massive troll or away with the fairies - either way, you need help

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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by Shaggy » Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:26 am

CoolClaret wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:21 am
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Either a massive troll or away with the fairies - either way, you need help
Nah I’m just not a sheep who seems to take it personally when ever there’s a dig at their hero’s.

I’m not wrong though whether you like it or not.

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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:28 am

Shaggy wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:26 am
Nah I’m just not a sheep who seems to take it personally when ever there’s a dig at their hero’s.

I’m not wrong though whether you like it or not.
You are far too cool and edgy to be a sheep.

With your level of knowledge and intelligence it is no surprise you have managed to convince yourself you are right
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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Hipper » Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:36 am

Wasn't there a desire to sell Tarkowski but Dyche put a stop to that? Is that what Shaggy's on about?

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by RVclaret » Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:43 am

Hipper wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:36 am
Wasn't there a desire to sell Tarkowski but Dyche put a stop to that? Is that what Shaggy's on about?
Yes

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Shaggy » Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:44 am

Hipper wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:36 am
Wasn't there a desire to sell Tarkowski but Dyche put a stop to that? Is that what Shaggy's on about?
It’s one of the things I’m on about yes. But at any time Dyche could have sold someone allowing him funds to bring in other players to refresh the squad, except you couldn’t prise his players off him with a crowbar.

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by claret2018 » Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:48 am

Dyche was the best manager we’ve had in my lifetime, but unfortunately he slowly became one of the worst.

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