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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Stalbansclaret » Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:50 am

Shaggy wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:44 am
It’s one of the things I’m on about yes. But at any time Dyche could have sold someone allowing him funds to bring in other players to refresh the squad, except you couldn’t prise his players off him with a crowbar.
Please, please stop. It's painful.

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:51 am

Shaggy wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:44 am
It’s one of the things I’m on about yes. But at any time Dyche could have sold someone allowing him funds to bring in other players to refresh the squad, except you couldn’t prise his players off him with a crowbar.
Keane, Gray, Vokes, Shackell, Austin all free transfers were they ?

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by JohnDearyMe » Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:04 am

claret2018 wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:48 am
Dyche was the best manager we’ve had in my lifetime, but unfortunately he slowly became one of the worst.
Are you only 10 years old?

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by claret2018 » Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:16 am

JohnDearyMe wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:04 am
Are you only 10 years old?
Apart from Laws I’m struggling to think of a manager’s tenure that was worse than Dyche’s last 18 months.

The 1-0 win at Anfield was one of the most boring 90 minutes of football I’ve ever endured. That was the point I realised I wasn’t enjoying watching us at all.
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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by ClaretLoup » Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:19 am

Hipper wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:36 am
Wasn't there a desire to sell Tarkowski but Dyche put a stop to that? Is that what Shaggy's on about?
Even if the club had sold Tarky how does anyone know that any proceeds would have been re- invested in the squad?

We know that there was a fairly large sum of cash prior to the takeover sitting in the bank and that I am sure at the time Dyche like any football manager would have loved to have spent that on team strengthening. We know at the end of 2019/20 season he came out quite publicly and more or less stated that the club were not re-investing in the squad and not re-newing contracts which left him with very few experienced players. We also know that Garlick and Dyche were not on speaking terms in the end so it does not take a lot of imagination given subsequent events to work out why.

Most other clubs when they are taken over these days, some big shot comes in with bags of money to spend, like the bloke at Hull, Forest and of course Newcastle. Alan and his crew have reversed that situation. Imagine how deflating that must have been for Dyche when the penny dropped that so far Alan does not appear to have attracted a single investor into the club save for MSD with their massive interest payments.

We can quibble about the details of Dyche’s reign and the ifs and buts, however the big picture is that in the end he was hung out to dry by the money men.
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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by JohnDearyMe » Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:26 am

claret2018 wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:16 am
Apart from Laws I’m struggling to think of a manager’s tenure that was worse than Dyche’s last 18 months.

The 1-0 win at Anfield was one of the most boring 90 minutes of football I’ve ever endured. That was the point I realised I wasn’t enjoying watching us at all.
If a one nil win at Anfield is your low point as a Burnley fan, particularly given how incredible Liverpool have been in recent years, then you are very lucky
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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:27 am

claret2018 wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:16 am
Apart from Laws I’m struggling to think of a manager’s tenure that was worse than Dyche’s last 18 months.

The 1-0 win at Anfield was one of the most boring 90 minutes of football I’ve ever endured. That was the point I realised I wasn’t enjoying watching us at all.
:D :D

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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by Stayingup » Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:45 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:16 pm
I think wherever Dyche ends up next he will be likely to fail and underachieve. Football management is far from an exact science and as well as talent it often also requires some luck and things just naturally falling in to place.

Not many managers are successful at two jobs in a row and whilst I think Dyche will do well somewhere at some point in the future I doubt it will be his next club.
A wind up surely. If not then its the most stupid comment on here - well ranking side by side with Shaggy. haha

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Herts Clarets » Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:57 am

claret2018 wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:16 am
Apart from Laws I’m struggling to think of a manager’s tenure that was worse than Dyche’s last 18 months.
Let me jog your memory:

Brian Miller
Frank Casper
John Bond
John Benson
Martin Buchan
Tommy Cavanagh
Jimmy Mullen
Adrian Heath
Chris Waddle
Stan Ternent
Steve Cotterill
Owen Coyle
Brian Laws
Eddie Howe

Take your pick from any of the above.

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by ClaretLoup » Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:16 am

claret2018 wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:16 am
Apart from Laws I’m struggling to think of a manager’s tenure that was worse than Dyche’s last 18 months.

The 1-0 win at Anfield was one of the most boring 90 minutes of football I’ve ever endured. That was the point I realised I wasn’t enjoying watching us at all.
Let me get this right watching Burnley get their first win at Anfield for 47 years when Liverpool were the reigning EPL Champions, & end their 68 game unbeaten home run, was "Boring"?

So for you what makes a game of football enjoyable, just so we know?

For me it's my team scoring more goals than their opponents, although I am happy sometimes with a draw..
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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by claret2018 » Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:17 am

I started watching us at the end of Ternant’s reign. Even the 19 winless under Cotterill wasn’t as boring as 2021

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by dandeclaret » Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:28 am

Fishing with dynamite isn't allowed in these parts.... so you can stop the nonsense now.
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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:30 am

claret2018 wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:17 am
I started watching us at the end of Ternant’s reign. Even the 19 winless under Cotterill wasn’t as boring as 2021

Count yourself lucky you didn't go to those games under Cotterill, that can be the only way you would even think something like that

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by arise_sir_charge » Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:37 am

Whilst he may be a bit extreme in his view, there is no denying that the last 2 years or so of the Dyche erea were mind numbing it dull.

It’s ok to appreciate what Dyche did but also to be critical of how it ended.
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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:54 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:37 am
Whilst he may be a bit extreme in his view, there is no denying that the last 2 years or so of the Dyche erea were mind numbing it dull.

It’s ok to appreciate what Dyche did but also to be critical of how it ended.
I assume you will also be critical of Kompany finishes mid table?

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by RVclaret » Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:57 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:54 am
I assume you will also be critical of Kompany finishes mid table?
Think he’s referring to the general vibe and football on offer. At least with Kompany a neck brace isn’t required, mid table or not.

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Colburn_Claret » Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:01 am

JohnDearyMe wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:26 am
If a one nil win at Anfield is your low point as a Burnley fan, particularly given how incredible Liverpool have been in recent years, then you are very lucky
1st home defeat in 64 games was it? mind boggling. :roll:

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:06 am

claret2018 wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:17 am
I started watching us at the end of Ternant’s reign. Even the 19 winless under Cotterill wasn’t as boring as 2021
Yes we all long for that 19 game run under Cotterill over our best ever manager in the premier league.

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Spijed » Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:07 am

ClaretLoup wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:16 am
Let me get this right watching Burnley get their first win at Anfield for 47 years when Liverpool were the reigning EPL Champions, & end their 68 game unbeaten home run, was "Boring"?

So for you what makes a game of football enjoyable, just so we know?

For me it's my team scoring more goals than their opponents, although I am happy sometimes with a draw..
People also forget that in the previous season we were the only club to take points off Liverpool at Anfield as they'd won every home game, before and after our match.
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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:12 am

Spijed wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:07 am
People also forget that in the previous season we were the only club to take points off Liverpool at Anfield as they'd won every home game, before and after our match.
Some on here seem to have forgotten a lot of what happened under Dyche.
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Re: Dyche to Stoke?

Post by Bosscat » Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:22 am

Stayingup wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:45 am
A wind up surely. If not then its the most stupid comment on here - well ranking side by side with Shaggy. haha
I reckon DA is doing a damned good Scooby Doo impression alongside Shaggy 😉

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by CoolClaret » Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:25 am

claret2018 wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:16 am
Apart from Laws I’m struggling to think of a manager’s tenure that was worse than Dyche’s last 18 months.

The 1-0 win at Anfield was one of the most boring 90 minutes of football I’ve ever endured. That was the point I realised I wasn’t enjoying watching us at all.
Nominating for the most ludicrous post in UTC/Clarets Mad history

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:40 am

Sunderland given permission to speak to Alex Neil

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Bosscat » Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:42 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:40 am
Sunderland given permission to speak to Alex Neil
Dyche to Sunderland 😏

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Swizzlestick » Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:40 pm

That’ll be a sickener for the Mackems. Great appointment for Stoke - one of the better managers in the league.

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:49 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:40 am
Sunderland given permission to speak to Alex Neil

I should think so.

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by RVclaret » Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:57 pm

Sunderland’s Chronicle reporter suggesting he’s agreed terms with Stoke and will become their next manager.

Their fans are pretty devastated it seems.

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:07 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:49 pm
I should think so.
f**k knows what happened there :D

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:08 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:57 pm
Sunderland’s Chronicle reporter suggesting he’s agreed terms with Stoke and will become their next manager.

Their fans are pretty devastated it seems.
Surprised he’s leaving Sunderland.

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by dandeclaret » Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:44 pm

Presumed the Alex Neill link was just a contractual terms improvement tactic for him at Sunderland.

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by tiger76 » Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:54 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:01 am
1st home defeat in 64 games was it? mind boggling. :roll:
68 I recall.

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Commy » Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:28 pm

Sunderland have confirmed on Twitter that he is speaking with Stoke.

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:37 pm

must be offering him a lot more money at Stoke, nobody in their right mind would leave Sunderland for Stoke at this stage imho

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by RVclaret » Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:46 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:37 pm
must be offering him a lot more money at Stoke, nobody in their right mind would leave Sunderland for Stoke at this stage imho
His family home is in Lancashire apparently, whether that matters or not.

Some journos also suggesting he’s unhappy with the backing received in the market - though I find that strange as they’ve spent the 3rd highest amount in the league.

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Aug 26, 2022 4:00 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:46 pm
His family home is in Lancashire apparently, whether that matters or not.

Some journos also suggesting he’s unhappy with the backing received in the market - though I find that strange as they’ve spent the 3rd highest amount in the league.
It's certainly strange !

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by LAM » Fri Aug 26, 2022 6:26 pm

I think I’ve just seen someone criticise Dyche for winning at Anfield on this thread.

I’m 41 and it his tenure will be as good as it gets in my lifetime, I’m sure of that.

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Milltown1882 » Fri Aug 26, 2022 6:31 pm

Proper obsessed with Dyche still everyone on here, embarrassing.
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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Stayingup » Fri Aug 26, 2022 6:33 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:01 am
1st home defeat in 64 games was it? mind boggling. :roll:
Add wins at Old Trafford and the Emirates which were just rubbish. Haha Oh and at Chelsea. Pasted Wolves 4-0 away and that was painful to watch. Some real n0b heads on here.
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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by wilks_bfc » Fri Aug 26, 2022 6:35 pm

Dyche is favourite for the Sunderland job should Neil leave for Stoke

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by IanMcL » Fri Aug 26, 2022 6:56 pm

Dyche will be favourite for a lot of jobs.

Everton will be available soon and maybe Aston Villa.

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Bosscat » Fri Aug 26, 2022 6:58 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 6:33 pm
Add wins at Old Trafford and the Emirates which were just rubbish. Haha Oh and at Chelsea. Pasted Wolves 4-0 away and that was painful to watch. Some real n0b heads on here.
Also his record v another Club
Pl 7
W 4
D 3
L 0

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by arise_sir_charge » Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:00 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:54 am
I assume you will also be critical of Kompany finishes mid table?
It all depends, I shall probably wait for things to unfold in the fullness of time before making a judgement as to whether I believe them to be good, bad or indifferent.

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by jrgbfc » Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:18 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 6:56 pm
Dyche will be favourite for a lot of jobs.

Everton will be available soon and maybe Aston Villa.
Neither of those clubs would touch Dyche with a bargepole.

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by IanMcL » Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:25 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:18 pm
Neither of those clubs would touch Dyche with a bargepole.
Well, if you were Everton and near the bottom again, why not?

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Re: O’Neill sacked at Stoke

Post by Shaggy » Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:52 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:25 pm
Well, if you were Everton and near the bottom again, why not?
A potential 3rd relegation from the EPL perhaps?

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Alex Neil

Post by Tricky Trevor » Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:55 pm

Sky reporting he is about to take the Stoke job leaving Sunderland rudderless in the short term. This fella could end up with more clubs than Fat Sam.

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Re: Alex Neil

Post by randomclaret2 » Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:00 pm

Good manager

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Re: Alex Neil

Post by Murger » Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:05 pm

Dyche to Sunderland ;-)

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Re: Alex Neil

Post by summitclaret » Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:05 pm

Dyche to Sunderland again ?

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Re: Alex Neil

Post by Shaggy » Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:06 pm

Dyche to Sunderland or anywhere to get off our payroll

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