Oh Burnley is wonderful….

[bfcjg]

Christ,I now remember why I took a 3 year break from this board. Was previously on Clarets Mad then this but you obviously know me better than myself. Where have I claimed to be Burnley's oldest fan. And for the record, that was chanted for a while by the brain-dead NF skinheads we unfortunately had, like most other teams at the time.

Shame you didn't make it a 4 year break if stirring is all uou do.

[andyh]

I know it will never happen but the line could change to Vincent Kompany’s Clarets.

[fidelcastro]

Don’t think I am digging.
Think you
Lot
Want to ban all
Songs and have the fans sat watching in silence

You think wrong.

[Socrates]

Fair to say lowbank had a drink last night, I think.

[willsclarets]

So the main arguments for the song are:
- this is just another example of cancel culture
- why don’t we just sit in silence then
- don’t come to the game if you’re offended.

No one had the balls to actually argue my contention , which was that the words were archaic and embarrassing. And that it’s just sad and inappropriate in 2022 when we have many women supporters. No one defended the content of the song as far as I can see.

Don’t mix up cancel culture with evolution and a moral zeitgeist moving forward. Do we need to have songs like that to have a good atmosphere? No. Can we invent new songs that have more humour and aren’t so cringey? Yes. Should we do that, rather than discouraging people to go on the game? I’d say so.

[Healeywoodclaret]

I think changing f***y to Bene would be a smooth transition for a start

Sounds good except only Burnley fans will know about Benedictine.

[Middle-agedClaret]

I see that one apparently popular view for retain and singing the song is that it’s “traditional” and that “lots of people do it”
On that basis let’s hear it for:
Bull fighting
Fox hunting
FGM
Honour killing
Drowning unwanted kittens in a sack
Child marriage
Smoking in public places
Legal discrimination on the grounds of race, gender, disability, etc, etc….
Sacking employees for no valid or fair reason

After all - lots of people used to traditionally do these things. Some still do.

[HahaYeah]

It's a great song apart from the cringey tits line,so why not keep on singing the main line of the song instead.

Oh Burnley is wonderful,
Oh Burnley is wonderful,
(sing over cringe bit....Oh Burnley is wonderful)
Oh Burnley is wonderful.

Still a great song but with no cringe.

[Devils_Advocate]

I see that one apparently popular view for retain and singing the song is that it’s “traditional” and that “lots of people do it”
On that basis let’s hear it for:
Bull fighting
Fox hunting
FGM
Honour killing
Drowning unwanted kittens in a sack
Child marriage
Smoking in public places
Legal discrimination on the grounds of race, gender, disability, etc, etc….
Sacking employees for no valid or fair reason

After all - lots of people used to traditionally do these things. Some still do.

That reads like a Tory manifesto

[Socrates]

In a packed, packed field this may be the most “these days, if you say you’re English” thread that’s every been on here.

[AmbleClaret]

Shame you didn't make it a 4 year break if stirring is all uou do.

Stirring what exactly.I assume you mean having a different opinion to you. I was simply making a point that over time, some songs/chants become unacceptable. Racist chants are thankfully no more, why are misogynistic ones OK.I don't want an answer thanks, we'll agree to disagree.

[Vino blanco]

Words, words, words......to quote Shakespeare.

[Rileybobs]

Words, words, words......to quote Shakespeare.

Words impact behaviour. Do you not think that describing women as ‘tits and fanny’ could also lead to equally disrespectful and unacceptable behaviour towards women?

[CoolClaret]

Awful chant - I remember going on as a 14 yr old lad with some mates and their friends that seemed to love it, always sounded unduly crass and a bit strange…

Not to mention it was strange with a bunch of virgins chanting that but whatever

[Zlatan]

Let’s just change the words then…

[ClaretMoffitt]

it is a **** and cringe song but i do love that it upsets the sensitive lot.

[Rileybobs]

it is a **** and cringe song but i do love that it upsets the sensitive lot.

Not sure anyone’s upset. But why would you love fellow Burnley fans to be upset by a song? That’s just really sad.

[Jakubclaret]

I see that one apparently popular view for retain and singing the song is that it’s “traditional” and that “lots of people do it”
On that basis let’s hear it for:
Bull fighting
Fox hunting
FGM
Honour killing
Drowning unwanted kittens in a sack
Child marriage
Smoking in public places
Legal discrimination on the grounds of race, gender, disability, etc, etc….
Sacking employees for no valid or fair reason

After all - lots of people used to traditionally do these things. Some still do.

Lot's of things on that list still happen today even though it's outlawed, people still hunt foxes when the hounds pick up, people still smoke in some public places, farmers still kill feral kittens, people still get married under the legal age, people still get killed & disappear with the honour killings, people still get sacked without good reason, these things don't lead to prosecution because no evidence exists/difficult to prove & it's not in the public interests to pursue.

[BleedingClaret]

Along the Wine Women & Song line
Then it Should be
Politically correct
Pubs Women & Clarets
Or
Beer Fanny & Clarets

[ClaretMoffitt]

Not sure anyone’s upset. But why would you love fellow Burnley fans to be upset by a song? That’s just really sad.

jus ate um, simple as

[willsclarets]

I’m not in the least upset, sorry to upset you. Was just wondering if people agreed the lyrics were embarrassing and sad, and whether we could do better. It seems not, but I’ll sleep don’t worry.

[Lowbankclaret]

Fair to say lowbank had a drink last night, I think.

True, celebrating a great win.

[jos]

It’s a song that obviously offends a lot of Burnley fans, and why would another Burnley fan want to do that.

[Jakubclaret]

I’m not in the least upset, sorry to upset you. Was just wondering if people agreed the lyrics were embarrassing and sad, and whether we could do better. It seems not, but I’ll sleep don’t worry.

It's all down to personal choice it's not fair to try to dictate our preferences onto other people, if people want to sing it to their hearts content leave them be if people don't equally leave them be, compromise is key.

[Lowbankclaret]

I see that one apparently popular view for retain and singing the song is that it’s “traditional” and that “lots of people do it”
On that basis let’s hear it for:
Bull fighting
Fox hunting
FGM
Honour killing
Drowning unwanted kittens in a sack
Child marriage
Smoking in public places
Legal discrimination on the grounds of race, gender, disability, etc, etc….
Sacking employees for no valid or fair reason

After all - lots of people used to traditionally do these things. Some still do.

You forgot the Waterloo cup.

[ClaretMoffitt]

It’s a song that obviously offends a lot of Burnley fans, and why would another Burnley fan want to do that.

kneeling offended a lot of burnley fans, but a lot of fans want to carry on doing that as well

[Culmclaret]

It’s not upsetting it is just embarrassing. It is a category 2 crap song. The category 1 examples which I will not mention specifically included those about air crashes, the Holocaust and coalfield disasters

[Jakubclaret]

kneeling offended a lot of burnley fans, but a lot of fans want to carry on doing that as well

It offended me immensely because of the BLM connections all the other genuine anti racism campaigns I fully supported.

[jos]

kneeling offended a lot of burnley fans, but a lot of fans want to carry on doing that as well

I never saw any fans kneeling.

And that isn’t a comparable argument.

[ClaretMoffitt]

I never saw any fans kneeling.

And that isn’t a comparable argument.

why? they both offend a section of fans.

[jos]

why? they both offend a section of fans.

Because one is local community driven and the other was/is a nationwide initiative outside of our Club.

[Zlatan]

Oh FFS

[Stalbansclaret]

5 pages to discuss something where the OP is just blatantly correct by any civilised yardstick. It's a pathetic song that is just embarrassing to hear sung with large numbers of women and kids in attendance.

[Jakubclaret]

Because one is local community driven and the other was/is a nationwide initiative outside of our Club.

It makes no difference on the motives or whether internal or external the actions themselves are causing offence to either side, it's the actions nothing else, the kneeling & the singing, debating the reasoning prompting the actions is a separate complex issue.

[AlargeClaret]

I thought this thread was exclusively for t1ts fanny and clarets ? Seems to have veered off a bit . Song was being roared out by 1000’s at Wigan , who but the most po faced curmudgeon would begrudge such light hearted fun ?

[quoonbeatz]

Good to hear the racists were offended by the anti-racism gesture.

[Beagle]

I thought this thread was exclusively for t1ts fanny and clarets ?

It’s got plenty of the first two.

[2 Bee Holed]

I was at Wigan. My ears are still ringing from the volume and the bloody clapping.

1/. The best way out of this would be to speed it up and clap throughout, just like all the other songs.

2/. The Vitinho song is brilliant, it's slower, you can hear the words and there is no bloody clapping. We are quite tuneful when we try.

3/. The, "here's to you Vincent Company" song would be great if people knew the original tune. Can somebody please post it?

Here endeth my observations.

[martin_p]

Yes, because what we need is more policing and sterilisation of an atmosphere which is already hardly raucous and seemingly requires little stimulus to get the crowd apathetic or downright hostile towards a group of players that have spent 5 match days together.

Maybe more would join in with the singing if the naff songs were dropped.

[Devils_Advocate]

3/. The, "here's to you Vincent Company" song would be great if people knew the original tune. Can somebody please post it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-rB0pHI9fU

[Cap]

For me the best song is still 'no nay never'.
The atmosphere when this is belted out from all sides is incredible. For some reason we don't sing it as often these days.

The worst thind is when there's a goal kick and the fans gi ' ohhhhhhh you're $h1t ahhhhhhhh'.
Grown men shouting this really makes me cringe

[quoonbeatz]

3/. The, "here's to you Vincent Company" song would be great if people knew the original tune. Can somebody please post it?

Mrs Robinson

[2 Bee Holed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-rB0pHI9fU

No wonder nobody knows the tune if you think that's it.


Wasn't it Simon and Garfunkel?

[Jakubclaret]

No wonder nobody knows the tune if you think that's it.


Wasn't it Simon and Garfunkel?

Soundtrack from the graduate.

[2 Bee Holed]

This it if I've done it correctly.

[https://youtu.be/9C1BCAgu2I8]

[TheFamilyCat]

kneeling offended a lot of burnley fans

Snowflakes.

[fidelcastro]

Snowflakes.

I know, these sandal wearers.

[forzagranata]

I didn't realise someone had actually recorded a jazz version of the hugely offensive, misogynists' song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM3uxwzr_rg

[2 Bee Holed]

This it if I've done it correctly.

[https://youtu.be/9C1BCAgu2I8]

In fact the City fans are more tuneful.
[https://www.fanchants.com/football-song ... t-kompany/]

[Zlatan]

I didn't realise someone had actually recorded a jazz version of the hugely offensive, misogynists' song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM3uxwzr_rg

There’s a playlist of a few others too https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL55209798155A05F7