Mowbray to Sunderland

[StuffyClaret]

Sky Sports understands (can't see this posted anywhere)

[clitheroeclaret3]

Ex middlesborough player, might not last long

[Wembley09]

Let's see if he can do any better up there than he did at Middlesbrough.

[Swizzlestick]

Interesting move for somebody with such a big Boro connection. Would be a decent appointment though.

[tiger76]

They could do a lot worse, he knows the Champ, and generally I thought he did a fair job at Rovers.

Boro connection will soon be forgotten if he wins a few early doors.

[Belgianclaret]

Always found him to be a decent manager who plays the right way and conducts himself fairly

[Swizzlestick]

Always found him to be a decent manager who plays the right way and conducts himself fairly

Yeah, always comes across as a good bloke. Was delighted when he left that shower down the road.

[ElectroClaret]

They could do a lot worse, he knows the Champ, and generally I thought he did a fair job at Rovers.

He did. Those dickheads didn't appreciate him.

[jedi_master]

He’s a good manager in my book, generally does a solid job and tries to play decent football.

[Andingle]

He will have been highly recommended by the Head of Recruitment at Sunderland.

[beddie]

Saves him moving house as well.

[Claretitus]

Agree with above comments. He is a decent manager, stabilised them down the road, and overall, I thought he did a very good job there. I also think Alex Neil has done a good job at Sunderland, can’t understand his timing/reasons for jumping ship, especially for Stoke.

[Quicknick]

Agree with above comments. He is a decent manager, stabilised them down the road, and overall, I thought he did a very good job there. I also think Alex Neil has done a good job at Sunderland, can’t understand his timing/reasons for jumping ship, especially for Stoke.

More money? I also think Mowbray is a good bloke.

[Culmclaret]

Damn good manager. I think if Brereton Diaz had not been injured he might even have got Rovers up last year.

[Swizzlestick]

Agree with above comments. He is a decent manager, stabilised them down the road, and overall, I thought he did a very good job there. I also think Alex Neil has done a good job at Sunderland, can’t understand his timing/reasons for jumping ship, especially for Stoke.

Probably paid more, bigger transfer kitty, good squad, more stable ownership. Neil was offered the WBA job while at PNE and turned it down, which he probably still regrets so maybe didn’t want to make the same mistake.

[Vintage Claret]

Thought Sean D might have been a good fit for the Sunderland job, I wonder if he's been considered.

[Cubanforever]

Thought Sean D might have been a good fit for the Sunderland job, I wonder if he's been considered.

Exactly what I was thinking

[bfcjg]

Rovers supporting mates only criticism of him was that at times he was over cautious, I think he is a very good manager.

[NRC]

My boss is a Sunderland fan. He was IMing me (him in NY me in NC) and I said in response to his ire “ seems a bit of a sideways move to me” and I could hear the expletives several hundred miles away. “Stoke?? Sideways!! Leeds is effin sideways, not effin Stoke”

[ClaretTony]

He will have been highly recommended by the Head of Recruitment at Sunderland.

Stuart of course - was at Blackburn with him.

I don’t know Mowbray but anyone I know who has dealt with him or even met him have never had a bad word for him. He did a concerningly good job at Ewood, recovering the mess made by his predecessor.

[ClaretTony]

Thought Sean D might have been a good fit for the Sunderland job, I wonder if he's been considered.

If, as is likely, we are still paying him, it would be a massive drop in pay. I think he will be very careful which jobs he considers.

[Vegas Claret]

I suspect Dyche will wait a good few months to see who gets potted in the PL (Rogers, Gerrard, Lampard) and see if he gets a look in. Would be foolish to take a job in the Championship at this point

[ClaretTony]

I suspect Dyche will wait a good few months to see who gets potted in the PL (Rogers, Gerrard, Lampard) and see if he gets a look in. Would be foolish to take a job in the Championship at this point

Or costly to take a job in the Championship

[Vegas Claret]

Or costly to take a job in the Championship

absolutely

[ElectroClaret]

Gerrards job may be shaky if Villa don't level things up today.

[claretandy]

I suspect Dyche will wait a good few months to see who gets potted in the PL (Rogers, Gerrard, Lampard) and see if he gets a look in. Would be foolish to take a job in the Championship at this point

More chance of kompany being poached than dyche getting a prem job.

[Vegas Claret]

Gerrards job may be shaky if Villa don't level things up today.

Villa were crap today

[Vintage Claret]

If, as is likely, we are still paying him, it would be a massive drop in pay. I think he will be very careful which jobs he considers.

Aah yeah, fair point, hadn't thought of that.

[Spijed]

Wonder if Forest would offer him the job should they get rid of Steve Cooper?

[ksrclaret]

Mowbray seems like a solid appointment to me. I'd imagine he'll stabilise them in the Championship for a few years, which I'm sure most sensible Sunderland fans would take.

[welsbyswife]

If, as is likely, we are still paying him, it would be a massive drop in pay. I think he will be very careful which jobs he considers.

Would like to see him given a go at somewhere like Villa. He deserves a shot at it with some resources behind him. I'd be wary about going to Leicester. I live in the area and their fans have delusions of granduer. Plus they seem to be tightening their belts financially so they'll struggle to live up to expectations.

One fan I was talking to said they should bin Rogers and get Potter in. He seemed taken a back when I asked him why on earth would he leave Brighton for Leicester. That's the sort of attitude they have.

[ClaretTony]

Would like to see him given a go at somewhere like Villa. He deserves a shot at it with some resources behind him. I'd be wary about going to Leicester. I live in the area and their fans have delusions of granduer. Plus they seem to be tightening their belts financially so they'll struggle to live up to expectations.

One fan I was talking to said they should bin Rogers and get Potter in. He seemed taken a back when I asked him why on earth would he leave Brighton for Leicester. That's the sort of attitude they have.

Leicester fans generally became like that after winning the league. It’s a changed club now though with clearly no money around.

[welsbyswife]

Yep. I think it will be a struggle for whoever goes there next. That's if they do get rid of Rogers.

[Claretitus]

Leicester fans generally became like that after winning the league. It’s a changed club now though with clearly no money around.

Spot on CT. Like the time they came to the Turf singing “ Champions of England- you’ll never sing that “. Oh really? We’ve won it twice as many times as Leicester. Clowns.

[FeedTheArf]

If, as is likely, we are still paying him, it would be a massive drop in pay. I think he will be very careful which jobs he considers.

I know it’s common to keep paying managers until they get a new job. Isn’t that why Curbishley didn’t seem to take a job for years?

But, I’ve always wondered how it works. Would his wage now have a relegation drop as if he were still here? Or would he keep his Premier League level wages because that’s what he was on when he was sacked? I suspect the former, but could he conceivably say that because he was sacked, relegation was out of his control and he shouldn’t be punished by a relegation clause?

[FeedTheArf]

Would like to see him given a go at somewhere like Villa. He deserves a shot at it with some resources behind him. I'd be wary about going to Leicester.

I just can’t see Dyche getting a job with a ‘big’ PL club. Rightly or wrongly he’ll be tarnished with playing long ball football and to quote Ruud Gullit, fans want ‘sexy football’.

The obvious one would be Forest given the connections there but that is going to require Cooper doing so well he gets poached or so bad he gets sacked. After the backing he’s had in the transfer market even in this crazy football world you’d expect him to get some time!

I think the World Cup break might see some jobs coming up to give new managers time to have a mini pre-season and that might see jobs like Everton come up but I think clubs like that always go for a ‘big’ name either to appease fans or through delusions of grandeur. Dyche would be a boring, if not practical, appointment.

[Top Claret]

Like Tony says Dyche will be in no hurry to get another job as he may still be on our pay roll.

All in all it's going to be costly for BFC. Lets hope a premier League club takes his and theirs fancy as a championship club won't be able to afford him, that will be the reason for him not being on the radar for the Stoke or Sunderland jobs

[lesxdp]

Assuming Dyche wants to work, I wonder f it would be possible for him to take a lower paid job with BFC making up his salary for the remaining time of the contract. Of course he may just wish to sit back and do nothing, but the longer he is unemployed the more difficult it may be to get back in at a high level.

[Rileybobs]

I know it’s common to keep paying managers until they get a new job. Isn’t that why Curbishley didn’t seem to take a job for years?

But, I’ve always wondered how it works. Would his wage now have a relegation drop as if he were still here? Or would he keep his Premier League level wages because that’s what he was on when he was sacked? I suspect the former, but could he conceivably say that because he was sacked, relegation was out of his control and he shouldn’t be punished by a relegation clause?

I doubt Dyche’s post-termination salary has been affected by Burnley’s subsequent relegation.

[Socrates]

I love Sean Dyche. I think he did a brilliant job.

But there’s absolutely no way he gets the Leicester, Forest or Villa jobs. His brand is too entrenched and clubs like that consider themselves progressive.

Personally think he’s going to have a real hard time unless he adjusts his thoughts. To me his two options are relegation firefighter or big club salvage project in the Championship.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

His brand is too entrenched?
Would that be the brand from the season we finished 7th playing good football or the brand where he was hogtied in the transfer market?

[Swizzlestick]

His brand is too entrenched?
Would that be the brand from the season we finished 7th playing good football or the brand where he was hogtied in the transfer market?

Nobody outside of Burnley thought we played good football when we finished 7th. The achievement was lauded but was always underpinned by the usual ‘pragmatic, direct, physical’ style. This is the point - what we know and the outside perception of Dyche are two different things.

[Rileybobs]

His brand is too entrenched?
Would that be the brand from the season we finished 7th playing good football or the brand where he was hogtied in the transfer market?

The following is in no way playing down the fantastic achievement of finishing 7th in the Premier League. But that season we scored 36 goals, less than one a game - only 5 teams scored less. We recorded 54 points which some seasons wouldn’t even be enough for a top half finish.

We were a well organised, difficult team to beat - but let’s not rewrite history and suggest we played an expansive brand of football.

In terms of Dyche’s own career progression I think he probably stayed at Burnley too long, he maybe could have got a bigger job when his stock was higher (he was being touted as next England manager, suggested by pundits for jobs such as Man Utd and Arsenal). But he signed a very lucrative contract at Burnley and ultimately that stock dropped.

I think he’ll struggle to get a Premier League gig to be honest. There’s no chance Leicester or Villa would be interested in him - I can only see Everton being a possibility as things stand. Whichever way you look at it, Dyche is seen as a pragmatic, old-school manager - and I think this is reflective of his long career at Burnley. That probably suits a team looking to avoid the drop, but I doubt it would attract anyone with loftier ambitions.

[Lancasterclaret]

Nobody outside of Burnley thought we played good football when we finished 7th. The achievement was lauded but was always underpinned by the usual ‘pragmatic, direct, physical’ style. This is the point - what we know and the outside perception of Dyche are two different things.

First promotion from the championship we were one of the best footballing sides in the division

Course, he's had to be very pragmatic for the past three season, so no one remembers

I mean, look at this board, loads of people appear to do reactions and player ratings from the 2nd half

[ClaretTony]

Nobody outside of Burnley thought we played good football when we finished 7th. The achievement was lauded but was always underpinned by the usual ‘pragmatic, direct, physical’ style. This is the point - what we know and the outside perception of Dyche are two different things.

Then the people outside of Burnley should have tried watching us

[Swizzlestick]

Then the people outside of Burnley should have tried watching us

I doubt their mind would’ve been changed if they did.

[taio]

Suppose it depends on your definition of good football. But I know loads of people outside of Burnley at the time who thought we played good football. I remember being at Goodison when Hendrick scored and that was regarded as good football. Defensively we were excellent that season - that was good football too in some people's eyes.

[Jakubclaret]

I think Sunderland could do a lot worse as echoed in parts throughout he's a pragmatic steady manager & a likeable bloke, after everything Sunderland have been through he could offer just what they need at this moment in time before thinking ahead towards the bigger prize.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

The following is in no way playing down the fantastic achievement of finishing 7th in the Premier League. But that season we scored 36 goals, less than one a game - only 5 teams scored less. We recorded 54 points which some seasons wouldn’t even be enough for a top half finish.

We were a well organised, difficult team to beat - but let’s not rewrite history and suggest we played an expansive brand of football.

In terms of Dyche’s own career progression I think he probably stayed at Burnley too long, he maybe could have got a bigger job when his stock was higher (he was being touted as next England manager, suggested by pundits for jobs such as Man Utd and Arsenal). But he signed a very lucrative contract at Burnley and ultimately that stock dropped.

I think he’ll struggle to get a Premier League gig to be honest. There’s no chance Leicester or Villa would be interested in him - I can only see Everton being a possibility as things stand. Whichever way you look at it, Dyche is seen as a pragmatic, old-school manager - and I think this is reflective of his long career at Burnley. That probably suits a team looking to avoid the drop, but I doubt it would attract anyone with loftier ambitions.

I didn't say expansive, I said good and it was.
It was good, it was effective and it lifted us into 7th place and also a 10th place finish

That's more than numerous other teams have managed who play the pretty football that's not so effective at times

[Rileybobs]

I didn't say expansive, I said good and it was.
It was good, it was effective and it lifted us into 7th place and also a 10th place finish

That's more than numerous other teams have managed who play the pretty football that's not so effective at times

Can’t argue with good, as the football must have been good to finish as the seventh highest placed team in the country. But I don’t think our style of play would have been described by many neutrals as good. And scoring less than a goal per game it certainly wasn’t edge of your seat stuff. Like I say, I’m not downplaying a fantastic achievement, I just think that football has moved on quite a lot over the past decade and I don’t think fans of many Premier League clubs would want Dyche to manage their club.

By the end of his tenure we were widely regarded as the least watchable team in the PL - sneering comments by pundits and sports writers that were often unfair and wide of the mark, but at times were difficult to argue with.

I also don’t buy completely into Dyche being hogtied in the transfer market, as we retained all of our key players in his last few seasons which appeared to be his choice. We no doubt could have cashed in on Tarkowski for example and strengthened the squad. And even when Jackson took temporary charge the team was allowed to play with more freedom and results improved.

Anyway, we know he did a fantastic job for us - we were a great fit. I’m not sure whether another Premier League side currently ticks that box.