Worried About the Price Cap?

[Lancasterclaret]

A good measure of the problems you are referring to would be to look at energy price rises over the past 40 years, and compare them to the rises we have seen in the last 2 years

And that is the fault of the US President in what way?

[CombatClaret]

A good measure of the problems you are referring to would be to look at energy price rises over the past 40 years, and compare them to the rises we have seen in the last 2 years

Correlation is not causality.

[dsr]

Rubbish. There are working people baving to.use foodbanks. Why do you think there are food banks? For illegal immigrants. No they're looked after in Premier Inns.

And how can you stop it? how can you ensure that people who are short of money don't spend it on the wrong things? How can you ensure that they don't get into debt that they can't afford? People who have a full time job and haven't suffered a sudden loss of income, should not need food banks, and if they do it is most likely because they have spent money on the wrong things.

Footballers on £x00,000 per week have been known to go bankrupt. Nothing any government has ever done or can ever do can make people make wise choices all the time.

[Lancasterclaret]

And how can you stop it? how can you ensure that people who are short of money don't spend it on the wrong things? How can you ensure that they don't get into debt that they can't afford? People who have a full time job and haven't suffered a sudden loss of income, should not need food banks, and if they do it is most likely because they have spent money on the wrong things.

Footballers on £x00,000 per week have been known to go bankrupt. Nothing any government has ever done or can ever do can make people make wise choices all the time.

Thing is mate, and I say with about as much respect as I can under the circumstances, people in full time work are using food banks because the cost of living (rent, food, fuel etc) was already a problem

We've gone from having about twenty food banks in 2010 to thousands now

People have been so used to getting on with stuff being s**t that they have accepted stuff like this and its not remotely right

You and me can argue about the reasons for this till the cows come home, but the reality is that something we have done over the past twelve years has resulted in this

I'm sure the Conservatives being in power for those twelve years is just a total coincidence..

[taio]

Thing is mate, and I say with about as much respect as I can under the circumstances, people in full time work are using food banks because the cost of living (rent, food, fuel etc) was already a problem

We've gone from having about twenty food banks in 2010 to thousands now

People have been so used to getting on with stuff being s**t that they have accepted stuff like this and its not remotely right

You and me can argue about the reasons for this till the cows come home, but the reality is that something we have done over the past twelve years has resulted in this

I'm sure the Conservatives being in power for those twelve years is just a total coincidence..

The increase in the number of food banks should not be used to measure poverty.

[Jakubclaret]

The increase in the number of food banks should not be used to measure poverty.

Don't be silly, the food bank increases aren't indicative that things are getting better exactly the opposite, more & more people are needing the food banks because their personal finances & expenditure have hit skid row.

[taio]

Don't be silly, the food bank increases aren't indicative that things are getting better exactly the opposite, more & more people are needing the food banks because their personal finances & expenditure have hit skid row.

I never said anything you have just suggested. Go away you strange man.

[Hipper]

Let's be clear about this: these companies have failed businesses. If the product they want to supply can only be delivered at a price that people cannot and will not pay because they will not have the means to do so then these companies are bust.

We're going to be bailing out these companies to a massive amount but dressed up as consumer help. Renationalise.

One assumption we're all falling into are prices coming down, one war started, why can't another, plus the ever-increasing effect of climate change and the need to alter the fundamental energy supply structure. The climate crisis is one of energy.
I don't mind paying higher bills for the rest of my life if it means leaving a sustainable future, but right now it's just going into private profits who lobby to resist change while pushing greenwashed Twitter ads.

Firstly, renationalising energy companies will not stop fuel price increases caused by the war as we still have to buy energy in the market place, unless you also intend to nationalise our oil/gas industry as a whole (BP etc.). Only that way can you avoid market forces - assuming we can supply all our energy needs which I don't think we can. Of course that also means that this country must resist selling this energy abroad to make money. The other issue is that much of our manufacturing, food and so on, comes from abroad where they would still be subject to higher fuel costs.

Anyway, using your market place principles, the products made by the use of this more expensive energy will no longer be affordable and therefore will not be made. We will no longer fly, drive cars, eat out etc. and new less energy intensive activities will be found.

As you hint may be it should be seen as a an opportunity for all of us to adapt to lower energy usage generally. As we adjust to higher energy prices, keep them high, which should encourage investment in renewables, insulation etc.. We should use this as an opportunity to redefine energy use and the whole way we live. Of course there will be other issues - I guess for example that our manufacturing will be less competitive unless subsidised (if that is allowed in trade rules), so will agricultural produce.

The problem of course is what the general populace will accept. Unfortunately the evidence is not good. When Gordon Brown continued the Conservatives policy of escalating petrol and diesel tax 'the people' wouldn't have it (the 2000 fuel strikes). In other words we are unwilling to compromise our relatively luxurious lifestyle (I am of course talking generally - cars, flying etc.; I realise there are some who can't afford to live like that) for the sake of the future of our children.

[Jakubclaret]

I never said anything you have just suggested. Go away you strange man.

You said the food bank increases shouldn't be used to measure poverty. The food bank increases are linked to poverty unless millionaires & wealthy people have started using the food banks in that case my thinking & reasoning is flawed.

[Nori1958]

And how can you stop it? how can you ensure that people who are short of money don't spend it on the wrong things? How can you ensure that they don't get into debt that they can't afford? People who have a full time job and haven't suffered a sudden loss of income, should not need food banks, and if they do it is most likely because they have spent money on the wrong things.

Footballers on £x00,000 per week have been known to go bankrupt. Nothing any government has ever done or can ever do can make people make wise choices all the time.

It's correct, some people just cannot budget their incoming, whether it be £100 or £20,000 a week, no amount of government handouts will help them
I haven't seen the interview with the lady in Burnley, but others that I have seen don't go into great depth with the person, more the wanting of sensational headlines. I've never seen one where the interviewer asks how much is coming into the household, and importantly, what that money is spent on, do they smoke, drink, loans to pay off, kiddies toys, holidays etc etc. Help with budgeting could be the most important assistance some people get this winter.

[taio]

You said the food bank increases shouldn't be used to measure poverty. The food bank increases are linked to poverty unless millionaires & wealthy people have started using the food banks in that case my thinking & reasoning is flawed.

I never said the use of food banks hasn’t increased in recent years. I’m saying that going from apparently twenty to thousands isn’t a measure of poverty or commensurate with poverty trends. A better measure of poverty is poverty and deprivation data.

[Jakubclaret]

I never said the use of food banks hasn’t increased in recent years. I’m saying that going from apparently twenty to thousands isn’t a measure of poverty or commensurate with poverty trends. A better measure of poverty is poverty and deprivation data.

Well yes to be more accurate but nevertheless it's a fair assumption to suggest that current levels of poverty & the surge in food bank increases tie in together, we don't need to be that scientific when common sense is staring at us in the face

[taio]

Well yes to be more accurate but nevertheless it's a fair assumption to suggest that current levels of poverty & the surge in food bank increases tie in together, we don't need to be that scientific when common sense is staring at us in the face

The growth in the number of food banks is different to the trend in the number of people using food banks. Even with the latter it’s more complex eg previous unmet need. That’s why poverty and deprivation data are the best measures. I’m not suggesting the number of food bank or the number of people using food banks hasn’t increased.

[CombatClaret]

Firstly, renationalising energy companies will not stop fuel price increases caused by the war as we still have to buy energy in the market place, unless you also intend to nationalise our oil/gas industry as a whole (BP etc.). Only that way can you avoid market forces - assuming we can supply all our energy needs which I don't think we can. Of course that also means that this country must resist selling this energy abroad to make money. The other issue is that much of our manufacturing, food and so on, comes from abroad where they would still be subject to higher fuel costs.

Of course, energy still needs to be purchased on the international market, but the suppliers have a fixed profit margin of around 2%.
So for every million pounds worth of wholesale energy, they charge an extra £20k for themselves, if the price of energy doubles they add £40k and pass it on to the consumer.
They've done nothing to earn that increase, not added new customers, sold more or increased efficiency.
A nationalized agency could be flexible with that profit margin to absorb fluctuation in the market.

A nationalized agency needs to making a profit provided it goes into the infrastructure we need to get off fossil fuels altogether. Getting nuclear plants in the construction pipeline, they come online in 5-10 years time, then use thier 20-40 years lifespan to get more renewables up and running.

[android]

I just want politicians to acknowledge this, rather than bang on about culture wars

Ah, so you can bring up the so called culture wars but not me.

Anyway, as you mention it again, I have just seen that some of my lesbian sheroes that I referred to the other day were removed from a Pride march yesterday by the police. They were there to promote their right to same-sex attraction (crazy huh). They don't want lesbian to be redefined as same gender attracted and they don't want lesbians to feel pressured into lowering the Cotton Ceiling (google it for a real regressive 1970s 80s vibe on what lesbians need). One of the good things about your extraordinary attempted slur the other day - you somehow seemed to think I was attacking lesbians rather than defending them and yes, you did retract it - is that is was a good example of the lack of awareness of the kind of things that are happening and there is still time for people to wise up. This example is only a tip of the iceberg from the successful stealth campaign ("no debate") to replace "sex" with "gender" as far and as widely as possible. The BBC (just an example this is not particularly BBC bashing, the media is generally poor on this) managed to produce a report on the removal of the lesbian group without using the problematic words "women" or "lesbian" in the entire report.

The people most affected are mainly women (not just lesbians and sports women and female prisoners and rape victims but any women who value single sex spaces) and children (especially gender non-conforming gays and lesbians - the Tavistock path to mutilation will become a major scandal).

The good news is that straight men are hardly impacted at all. So that's alright then - just cultcha wars innit.

[martin_p]

Ah, so you can bring up the so called culture wars but not me.

Anyway, as you mention it again, I have just seen that some of my lesbian sheroes that I referred to the other day were removed from a Pride march yesterday by the police. They were there to promote their right to same-sex attraction (crazy huh). They don't want lesbian to be redefined as same gender attracted and they don't want lesbians to feel pressured into lowering the Cotton Ceiling (google it for a real regressive 1970s 80s vibe on what lesbians need). One of the good things about your extraordinary attempted slur the other day - you somehow seemed to think I was attacking lesbians rather than defending them and yes, you did retract it - is that is was a good example of the lack of awareness of the kind of things that are happening and there is still time for people to wise up. This example is only a tip of the iceberg from the successful stealth campaign ("no debate") to replace "sex" with "gender" as far and as widely as possible. The BBC (just an example this is not particularly BBC bashing, the media is generally poor on this) managed to produce a report on the removal of the lesbian group without using the problematic words "women" or "lesbian" in the entire report.

The people most affected are mainly women (not just lesbians and sports women and female prisoners and rape victims but any women who value single sex spaces) and children (especially gender non-conforming gays and lesbians - the Tavistock path to mutilation will become a major scandal).

The good news is that straight men are hardly impacted at all. So that's alright then - just cultcha wars innit.

If this is the BBC report you refer to you need to read more carefully.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-62701100

[dsr]

Of course, energy still needs to be purchased on the international market, but the suppliers have a fixed profit margin of around 2%.
So for every million pounds worth of wholesale energy, they charge an extra £20k for themselves, if the price of energy doubles they add £40k and pass it on to the consumer.
They've done nothing to earn that increase, not added new customers, sold more or increased efficiency.
A nationalized agency could be flexible with that profit margin to absorb fluctuation in the market.

A nationalized agency needs to making a profit provided it goes into the infrastructure we need to get off fossil fuels altogether. Getting nuclear plants in the construction pipeline, they come online in 5-10 years time, then use thier 20-40 years lifespan to get more renewables up and running.

A nationalised industry could be more flexible as you say, but it would barely make a difference. Using your 2% margin, a household that paid £2,000 p.a. would contribute £40 to the company's profits. If the charge goes up to £5,000, they will contribute £100 to the company's profits, but if the nationalised industry restricted it to a constant £40 rather than a percentage, then they would charge only £4,940. If nationalisation can reduce the increase so their bill goes up by £2,940 rather than £3,000, it's very much a case of scratching at the edges.

[android]

If this is the BBC report you refer to you need to read more carefully.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-62701100

Nope. It is a new version of the report that has been updated. My female friends are hot on this stuff and I assume they have raised complaints with the BBC forcing them to produce a fairer report. But thanks for posting it - I had not seen the revised version.

[Devils_Advocate]

There was a small group of people who were at a LGBTQ+ pride event that went there to attack Trans people (who are the minority group under the most threat). The overwhelming majority of lesbians and females in general fully support the Trans community and supported the removing those people who went to the event to stir up conflict and trouble.

There are undoubtedly some complex issues where protected trans rights and protected womens rights overlap and conflict and in general both groups look to find solutions together. It is however not helped by the groups who use it as a culture war to attack trans people and basically use it as a tool to divide and get people like you angry and worried about something that you seeming dont fully understand

Im glad you've continued to post a bit more detail on your thoughts on this topic because you have demonstrated exactly the point I was making and that you are indeed a complete victim of the right wings culture war tactic. If you are really concerned about the threat to women you should look towards the violence and sexual assaults from males and the way our society and police treat this. This is the biggest issue and not the crap you are being fed.

I noticed that the LGB Alliance has recently been classed as a hate group by the Global Project Against Hate and Extremism but I guess to you these extremists are the good guys. Its no wonder we cant get rid of this stinking govt when they can easily sucker people like you into thinking these phoney culture wars are the real problem.

[Lancasterclaret]

Ah, so you can bring up the so called culture wars but not me.

Anyway, as you mention it again, I have just seen that some of my lesbian sheroes that I referred to the other day were removed from a Pride march yesterday by the police. They were there to promote their right to same-sex attraction (crazy huh). They don't want lesbian to be redefined as same gender attracted and they don't want lesbians to feel pressured into lowering the Cotton Ceiling (google it for a real regressive 1970s 80s vibe on what lesbians need). One of the good things about your extraordinary attempted slur the other day - you somehow seemed to think I was attacking lesbians rather than defending them and yes, you did retract it - is that is was a good example of the lack of awareness of the kind of things that are happening and there is still time for people to wise up. This example is only a tip of the iceberg from the successful stealth campaign ("no debate") to replace "sex" with "gender" as far and as widely as possible. The BBC (just an example this is not particularly BBC bashing, the media is generally poor on this) managed to produce a report on the removal of the lesbian group without using the problematic words "women" or "lesbian" in the entire report.

The people most affected are mainly women (not just lesbians and sports women and female prisoners and rape victims but any women who value single sex spaces) and children (especially gender non-conforming gays and lesbians - the Tavistock path to mutilation will become a major scandal).

The good news is that straight men are hardly impacted at all. So that's alright then - just cultcha wars innit.

Uh huh

What a complete load of ********

But as has already been mentioned here you are a victim, so I have sympathy here

[Jakubclaret]

And how can you stop it? how can you ensure that people who are short of money don't spend it on the wrong things? How can you ensure that they don't get into debt that they can't afford? People who have a full time job and haven't suffered a sudden loss of income, should not need food banks, and if they do it is most likely because they have spent money on the wrong things.

Footballers on £x00,000 per week have been known to go bankrupt. Nothing any government has ever done or can ever do can make people make wise choices all the time.

It'll help reverting things back to the old way in terms of housing benefit being paid direct to the landlord instead of the recipient that being made compulsory, it'll solve & minimise evictions with stopping people falling into arrears because they struggle to manage their finances properly the main priority being the roof over the head.

[Vegas Claret]

none of what is happening is unintentional

[android]

Lol. Classic DA - just when I thought you might have matured a little! But too homophobic for my tastes and signs of overexposure to the fox-basher perhaps. Should generate some likes though.

And come off it Lancs - you do not have to be THAT credulous.

Goodnight!

[Devils_Advocate]

Get The L Out are a hate group that published a report which included the line "all transsexuals rape women's bodies" and they have signed a declaration calling to remove almost all of trans rights.

The front runners of this story is GB News and Andrew Doyle which speaks for itself and yes thats the same GB News who this week platformed a Holocaust denier.

And then here you are completely misrepresenting and weaponising homophobia in exactly the same way you tried to weaponise racism and anti-Semitism.

Lancaster expressed some sympathy for as you are in some way a victim but I dont as you are clearly intelligent enough to know better and Im more of the opinion that this kind of stuff plays into a side of your personality that is pretty disgusting

[Vegas Claret]

And that is the fault of the US President in what way?

he probably read it on Donald Trumps socials

[Greenmile]

Who cares about whether we will be able to afford to put the heating on this winter when there’s trans folk to demonise for wanting to exist.

[Lancasterclaret]

Who cares about whether we will be able to afford to put the heating on this winter when there’s trans folk to demonise for wanting to exist.

This 100%

And Android dismissed my comments on this being exactly what happened in the 80s to Lesbians and Gays

Its so blatant its untrue

[android]

This 100%

And Android dismissed my comments on this being exactly what happened in the 80s to Lesbians and Gays

Its so blatant its untrue

Seriously Lancaster? It is not surprising from the other two but I thought you were all about reality?

I did explain that the voices that brought me to this issue are nearly all female and left wing (including but not limited to some lesbians). I can't think of any right wing voices I have listened to on these issues. But even more important is looking at the facts and forming my own opinion. DA characterising me as some kind of victim of right wing conspiracies could not be further off the mark. It is a bit desperate.

DA mentioned the LGB Alliance, which he described as a hate group (lol). This is a common tactic to avoid debate and engagement with the issues by the people seeking to re-define homosexuality. There is nothing wrong with having an LGB movement or a T movement or an LGBT movement - their issues and rights are not always going to coincide and even if they did so what - people should be free to campaign for their rights. One of the LGB co founders is a lesbian woman called Bev Jackson. She was a 19 year old spokesperson in 1970 at the first Gay Liberation Front march in the UK. I would love to here you try to mansplain your superior knowledge of what lesbian people are facing then and today. She said back in 1970 that "it is important to know that we are not ashamed to be homosexual". Do you agree? Do you think lesbians should be forced to accept a re-definition of being gay as being same-gender attracted? If so, why?

[android]

Who cares about whether we will be able to afford to put the heating on this winter when there’s trans folk to demonise for wanting to exist.

Why would you want to demonise trans folk for wanting to exist?

[android]

Get The L Out are a hate group that published a report which included the line "all transsexuals rape women's bodies" and they have signed a declaration calling to remove almost all of trans rights.

The front runners of this story is GB News and Andrew Doyle which speaks for itself and yes thats the same GB News who this week platformed a Holocaust denier.

And then here you are completely misrepresenting and weaponising homophobia in exactly the same way you tried to weaponise racism and anti-Semitism.

Lancaster expressed some sympathy for as you are in some way a victim but I dont as you are clearly intelligent enough to know better and Im more of the opinion that this kind of stuff plays into a side of your personality that is pretty disgusting

I am not surprised that you did not engage with the actual issues, or even with me, but instead a version of me that exists in your head. I thought you might have grown out of your old habit of telling people what they think instead of listening to what they actually say. You could continue with the scattergun approach - he/she once said this and that type of thing. Or you could try answering the questions I just asked Lancaster?

[eastcoastclaret]

We seem to have gone off topic again

[Murger]

It's no surprise the country's in a pickle when the usual suspects say things like the channel crossings, womens rights etc are minor issues.

[Boss Hogg]

This thread has gone so far off topic even by this board’s standards.

It was good to see some practical tips. Maybe there could be another thread for discussing whose fault it is and women / lesbian rights. What on earth had the latter go to do with energy bills.

[Devils_Advocate]

I am not surprised that you did not engage with the actual issues, or even with me, but instead a version of me that exists in your head. I thought you might have grown out of your old habit of telling people what they think instead of listening to what they actually say. You could continue with the scattergun approach - he/she once said this and that type of thing. Or you could try answering the questions I just asked Lancaster?

Im not going to spend my time going back and forwards cos for one I can clearly see where your position comes from and secondly this board has moved away from this kind of debate.

But in answer to your comments / questions on the reply to Lancaster referring to LGB as a hate group is not a tactic to avoid debate but an actual fact and it is a reputable organisation that focuses on all kinds of extremism that has branded this on the back of a lot of research. Investigative research has shown the majority of the LGB Alliance are heterosexual males and have a lot of links to the kind of people and groups who historically has attacked gay rights and women's rights and as Lancaster rightly states are doing the exactly what they did in the gay community in the 80's to the tans community today

No-one is being forced to accept a re-definition of being gay as being same-gender attracted and I am very much for any minority group fighting for their rights but groups like LGB Alliance and Get The L Out are primarily focused on hate and attacking the trans community and trying to reduce their rights rather than than fighting for their own rights.

The majority of gays and lesbians support trans rights and see themselves as allies and do not support the divisiveness that these fringe groups backed by some very dodgy people are causing within their community. I stated that there are places where the rights of the different groups conflict but these need to be discussed and worked through with care and with respect but the groups you have referenced and the organisations like GB News who amplify their voices have no interest in this and are only interested in attacking other people and debasing the subject to its lowest form.

As I said at the start of this post I've no interest in going on and on about this and so you can make all you personal remarks about me to try and discredit my opinion but this is a subject I read a lot about and its a subject that worries me and it is people like you with your views that in my opinion are the danger and concern in this area.

[Boss Hogg]

Again … what has any of this got to do with energy bills ?

[SouthLondonexile]

Yes I am worried. Fuel is too expensive, and we have lots of it still in the North Sea. It is ours and we should recall Parliament and nationalise all of it.
prosecute the Ofgem regulator for offences against humanity, for failing to consider consumers vital needs.
Set a National rate for a unit of gas and for electricity.
rates that are fair.

[android]

DA you are confusing fact and opinion. In my opinion, it is absurd to describe LGB Alliance as a hate group. They are very much the recipients of the hate. I am glad you have finally addressed one of the points and it seems that you do actually agree with me and disagree with Stonewall. Stonewall wish to change the definition of homosexuality. Very sad what has happened to them.

For the sake of Boss Hogg and others I will try to leave it there! But if people are going to come out with bs about the so called culture wars being unimportant then I am always going to challenge it if I see it, as some of it is very important. I hope at least a few can see it.

[Healeywoodclaret]

Correct. You can’t nationalise the firms in a way that will make production and delivery any cheaper. The problem isn’t with the customer facing elements of energy companies, as the wholesale costs are what’s driving this.

We will obviously have impact on our bills but spare income is sufficient enough to absorb this. However I will still be looking at ways to keep outgoings down. We have a wood burner and will be using that a lot - I think. I may even return to working in the office a few days a week on the colder days.

Well I never left the office but for those that did, going back to the office may not be an option because businesses have long struggled with office space. Add to this the rising cost of fuel they will be happy for people to work from home. The new normal. So for those working from home this winter will have much bigger bills I imagine.

[Lancasterclaret]

I just hope that the electoral reality of not helping people will galvanize the government into action

What I can guarantee is if people keep voting or supporting them if they don't, then they will take that as confirmation that they don't need to do it

[Greenmile]

Why would you want to demonise trans folk for wanting to exist?

You tell me.

If you’re struggling for an answer, perhaps you can ask some of your “left-wing”, “lesbian” “friends” for some help.

[Jakubclaret]

We seem to have gone off topic again

Usual suspects can't help themselves.

[Steve1956]

Go back and read my posts - it’s not often I’ll resort to name calling but in this instance, having been called a ****, **** off you bell end!

I love replies like this..

I havnt took much notice of this thread....ill make a light hearted contribution......


Who would have thought a time would come when cutting the grass was more expensive than smoking it.

This board is way to serious sometimes,it should be fun,but having read a few pages of this thread it isn't.

[android]

You tell me.

If you’re struggling for an answer, perhaps you can ask some of your “left-wing”, “lesbian” “friends” for some help.

I am not going to tell you what to think. But if you wish to demonise either trans folk (your words not mine and certainly not in my thoughts) or left wing lesbians, it would probably be best to keep it yourself. Surely it is time to move along now before you sink this any lower.

[gandhisflipflop]

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https://moneytothemasses.com/resources/ ... u-eligible

According to this a disabled pensioner with a low income will get £1,500.

An ordinary pensioner like what I is will get £700. That's about £100 less then I will need to pay over the year if my electric and gas bill double, as the Price Cap changes suggest they will.

In addition there is the Pensioner Heating Allowance, of £200 in my case (and £300 for those 80 and over).

The thing that winds me up about the cost of living payment is that people who work, and don’t claim benefits are pushed aside, and people who don’t work and get rent, council tax, gas and electric etc paid for them get it because they somehow need it more! It’s a joke.

[Lancasterclaret]

The thing that winds me up about the cost of living payment is that people who work, and don’t claim benefits are pushed aside, and people who don’t work and get rent, council tax, gas and electric etc paid for them get it because they somehow need it more! It’s a joke.

But that is the thing, its impossible to ignore that millions of people who work full time and are essentially not an issue are going to be this time, and that is before you factor in the potential hits to business from these price rises

[Jakubclaret]

The thing that winds me up about the cost of living payment is that people who work, and don’t claim benefits are pushed aside, and people who don’t work and get rent, council tax, gas and electric etc paid for them get it because they somehow need it more! It’s a joke.

I don’t think you get any help or you’ve got a long time to wait to get any help in terms of state help paying your interest on your mortgage & then it’s a loan even a small amount but the people who’ve never worked & claimed all their lives get rent paid & everything else, in this country you are actually penalised for doing the right thing & rewarded for doing the wrong thing.

[claret2018]

I don’t think you get any help or you’ve got a long time to wait to get any help in terms of state help paying your interest on your mortgage & then it’s a loan even a small amount but the people who’ve never worked & claimed all their lives get rent paid & everything else, in this country you are actually penalised for doing the right thing & rewarded for doing the wrong thing.

More and more cliches straight from the Mail. You’ve been brainwashed.

[Jakubclaret]

More and more cliches straight from the Mail. You’ve been brainwashed.

You try claiming when you’ve lost your job with no mortgage protection you get nothing as opposed to not having a mortgage & just renting.

[Big Vinny K]

I don’t think you get any help or you’ve got a long time to wait to get any help in terms of state help paying your interest on your mortgage & then it’s a loan even a small amount but the people who’ve never worked & claimed all their lives get rent paid & everything else, in this country you are actually penalised for doing the right thing & rewarded for doing the wrong thing.

What a worrying human being you really are.

You make Genghis Kahn look like Mother Teresa

[bfcjg]

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/battery-break ... 35984.html
Back to the topic, this crisis will ramp up green technology, this latest invention will be a real game changer for solar/wind generated storage.
In the short-term we need a massive push for insulation on all properties.