Extinction Rebellion

[tiger76]

I often wonder how they move around the country causing mayhem?

That is indeed a very pertinent surely they wouldn't possibly be driving would they.

I have plenty of time for people who want to engage in meaningful constructive dialogue regarding the pressing issues of climate change, but ER do nothing to further their cause, yet plenty to create chaos for the general public, who are just trying to go about their daily business.

[dsr]

Her prime problem was that she promised her "favours" to Apollo in return for the facility of accurate prophesy and them gave him the elbow without doing the deed.

I hope Houseboy hasn't been up to that sort of thing!

[Tall Paul]

I often wonder how they move around the country causing mayhem?

[TheFamilyCat]

I'm all for peaceful protest, but these XR people do more harm than good. They lost loads of support when they started blocking citizens from going about their lawful business by blocking roads. Even frontline workers and our emergency services were caught up in the traffic jams they caused. Same when they blocked off parts of Manchester city centre a couple of years ago - also loads of businesses took a hit. They certainly don't endear people towards them.

The group is also full of 'do as I say, not as I do' hypocrites.

They blocked roads in Leeds with a boat. I'm not sure how the boat got there but I'm pretty sure they didn't pull the trailer on foot.

[Lancasterclaret]

They blocked roads in Leeds with a boat. I'm not sure how the boat got there but I'm pretty sure they didn't pull the trailer on foot.

Was it during the floods?

[Billy Balfour]

Was it during the floods?

Hippy magic powers of levitation.

To be serious for a moment. XE is the nuttier wing of the environmentalist movement, and they certainly divide opinion amongst it. I think the whole thing it is a product of an egotist and some of those who I know, acquaintances who vote Green etc, say the same thing. Much of what they spout is just pie in the sky, unless you want to revert to some form of medieval subsistence agrarianism. Not to mention that most of their stunts simply pee off those who they should be winning over.

[JohnDearyMe]

They should just pipe down and concentrate on a nice and quiet letter writing campaign.

It's not like we're experiencing major climate problems or anything around the globe.

[mdd2]

I agree with the idea that they just leave them
72 hours without water will see it nearly all sorted
Cannot say they wouldnt have brought it on themselves
Bet they would unstick themselves PDQ

[JohnMcGreal]

Hippy magic powers of levitation.

To be serious for a moment. XE is the nuttier wing of the environmentalist movement, and they certainly divide opinion amongst it. I think the whole thing it is a product of an egotist and some of those who I know, acquaintances who vote Green etc, say the same thing. Much of what they spout is just pie in the sky, unless you want to revert to some form of medieval subsistence agrarianism. Not to mention that most of their stunts simply pee off those who they should be winning over.

Why is the 'nuttier wing' of the environmentalist movement something to be sneered at, derided and dismissed, yet the 'nuttier wing' of the conservative movement, that's doing far more harm to the country, the planet and people's lives, worthy of defence, support and even fawning on a national scale?

It seems like a lot of anger is misdirected, much to the delight of the latter, I'm sure.

MODERATOR: Post checked. Please note, no critism of the Billy B post, but it was also political and JM’s response was perfectly reasonable as a response.

[Billy Balfour]

Why is the 'nuttier wing' of the environmentalist movement something to be sneered at, derided and dismissed, yet the 'nuttier wing' of the conservative movement, that's doing far more harm to the country, the planet and people's lives, worthy of defence, support and even fawning on a national scale?

It seems like a lot of anger is misdirected, much to the delight of the latter, I'm sure.

I don't know why you juxtapose your reply to me with the nuttier wing of the conservative movement. Is it possible to hold them both in contempt, you know.

[HahaYeah]

Oh ffs , I’m suprised there’s not an armed police presence in the HOC. They should be dealt with severely .

They won't be dealt with severely because they are pushing the liberal elite agenda.

[dougcollins]

I often wonder how they move around the country causing mayhem?

Cells.

Obvious innit.

[AlargeClaret]

They won't be dealt with severely because they are pushing the liberal elite agenda.

I don’t think our police can deal with anything other than hurt feelings these days . As for the “ liberal elite” I wouldn’t say it’s their agenda as such , but they’re certainly happy to fund them , legally represent them and ease their pathway .

[TsarBomba]

I don’t think our police can deal with anything other than hurt feelings these days . As for the “ liberal elite” I wouldn’t say it’s their agenda as such , but they’re certainly happy to fund them , legally represent them and ease their pathway .

Yes, any calls that come in involving ‘hurty words’ go straight to the top of the list for deployment.

[Bin Ont Turf]

Like with anything sandal wearing in this country, they have a point but they take it too far and make normal folk hate them.

[Swizzlestick]

Despite their over zealous direct action, it appears that ‘normal folk’ are actually coming round to their point of view, as real life ecological and energy crises are beginning to show.

[Tw@]

Despite their over zealous direct action, it appears that ‘normal folk’ are actually coming round to their point of view, as real life ecological and energy crises are beginning to show.

Stopping ordinary folk from going to work will never gain them any support from the public whatsoever!

[Swizzlestick]

Stopping ordinary folk from going to work will never gain them any support from the public whatsoever!

You won’t get support from some but you’d be surprised what direct action can achieve in terms of getting a message across. The actual act gets forgotten about but the message doesn’t especially when people actually see these things happening in terms of energy etc.

[LeadBelly]

Despite their over zealous direct action, it appears that ‘normal folk’ are actually coming round to their point of view, as real life ecological and energy crises are beginning to show.

What point of view is that? The point of view that if there's something you disagree with you can disrupt the road network/ invade our democratic parliament chamber / smash up petrol stations etc? I really dont think this is a popular point of view at all.

[Swizzlestick]

What point of view is that? The point of view that if there's something you disagree with you can disrupt the road network/ invade our democratic parliament chamber / smash up petrol stations etc? I really dont think this is a popular point of view at all.

That’s not their point of view, that’s what they do to get their point of view across - I don’t agree with it but it makes headlines and the poll above, coupled with the fact we’re soon going to be battered with massive energy price increases and various ecological events particularly in Pakistan, seems to suggest that point of view is getting across.

[MrTopTier]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ch94A0L ... MyMTA2M2Y=

The reason we have Extinction Rebellion is because we have complete and utter bellends in politics. The above link shows a prime example of complete idiocy.

[Jakubclaret]

Despite their over zealous direct action, it appears that ‘normal folk’ are actually coming round to their point of view, as real life ecological and energy crises are beginning to show.

Some people are getting extremely p155ed off with them to be fair & sooner or later somebody will give 1 of them a clout & drop 1:to the deck & it will be applauded amongst some.

[Tw@]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ch94A0L ... MyMTA2M2Y=

The reason we have Extinction Rebellion is because we have complete and utter bellends in politics. The above link shows a prime example of complete idiocy.

One of their demands is to reduce the country’s greenhouse gas emissions to zero by 2025. Not possible whatsoever!!

[drdree]

Lets face it if they want to get their point across far better to target the decision makers in parliament than Joe public. How many people will be wishing the govt had taken more notice of insulate Britain when we are freezing and can't afford our energy bills his winter. The cause isn't wrong just the tactics .

[Tw@]

That would mean nobody in this country could have any gas appliance, ie. boiler, cooker, fire, barbecue, caravan, etc. Good luck with that one!

[Top Claret]

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The reason we have Extinction Rebellion is because we have complete and utter bellends in politics. The above link shows a prime example of complete idiocy.

Agree he is a bellend but no different than the other bellends who have been pushing Nett zero ideology instead of energy security.
Lets hope the next Tory PM acts like a Tory and not a wet liberal green like Boris Johnson did

[aggi]

They won't be dealt with severely because they are pushing the liberal elite agenda.

You've got to wonder who looks at our country at the moment and thinks "yes, the liberal elite are calling the shots".

[dsr]

Despite their over zealous direct action, it appears that ‘normal folk’ are actually coming round to their point of view, as real life ecological and energy crises are beginning to show.

The current public fear about fuel prices is that we will have to use less fuel this winter; the appeals for government action are almost entirely in hopes that we will be able to burn the same amount of fuel. That doesn't suggest that Extinction Rebellion are getting their point across very well at all.

[aggi]

Some people are getting extremely p155ed off with them to be fair & sooner or later somebody will give 1 of them a clout & drop 1:to the deck & it will be applauded amongst some.

If anyone is unsure what stance to take on these things I'd recommend checking out jakubclaret's views and then taking the opposite view.

It's foolproof.

[Damo]

I dunno, I'd have thought it may have got better as their warnings about global warming and reliance on fossil fuels seem to be coming true.

At approximately the same time the west appears to be running out of fossil fuels

[Damo]

I'd personally love to know what countries rich with fossil fuels think of global warming.
Unfortunately news from those parts of the world have been banned. Much to the delight of a good portion of our society.

George Orwell didn't warn us about any of this stuff obviously

[Swizzlestick]

The current public fear about fuel prices is that we will have to use less fuel this winter; the appeals for government action are almost entirely in hopes that we will be able to burn the same amount of fuel. That doesn't suggest that Extinction Rebellion are getting their point across very well at all.

I’d argue the fear is more how the cost has been allowed to get so out of control. Most people will be reducing their energy consumption and even then wondering how they’re going to afford it. People are questioning what on earth is going on not ‘I want to burn the same amount of fuel’

[Rowls]

At approximately the same time the west appears to be running out of fossil fuels

Reserves of fossil fuels are as high as they’ve ever been.

[Lancasterclaret]

I don’t think our police can deal with anything other than hurt feelings these days . As for the “ liberal elite” I wouldn’t say it’s their agenda as such , but they’re certainly happy to fund them , legally represent them and ease their pathway .

What do you call people who get annoyed at legal representation or support only for people they agree with?

[Burnley Ace]

I’m waiting for the first assault trial where the defendant used the “I used reasonable force to prevent the commissioning of a further offence” and despite the Judges summing up 3 people on the Jury think “No, I’m not convicting someone for that!”

[Healeywoodclaret]

Warts on the rear end of society. Spent their entire lives "in education". Never done a day's work, nor do they intend to ever do a day's a work. Never done anything useful in their lives. Just scroungers expecting life to owe them a living. Thugs really who feel safe in numbers. Over privileged. Know nothing about anything, but think they are authorities on everything.

[Healeywoodclaret]

Oh and there's that word Fear again. Fear is used again and again in recent times to beat people into submission and come round to the fashionable way of thinking. But it will make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

[AlargeClaret]

What do you call people who get annoyed at legal representation or support only for people they agree with?

Where in the post is anyone getting annoyed ?misread post? I was replying to a post about the so called “ liberal elite “ being behind ER .I was stating I didn’t believe it was the “ LE” agenda per se, but plenty of donations and access to high end legal advice is funded . ( no issue with that at all, my issue is how they’re dealt with by law enforcement)

However I doubt crazed baboons like “Britain First” have funds for such lavish counsel , though I wouldn’t deny them legal representation just because I find them odious .

[evensteadiereddie]

Warts on the rear end of society. Spent their entire lives "in education". Never done a day's work, nor do they intend to ever do a day's a work. Never done anything useful in their lives. Just scroungers expecting life to owe them a living. Thugs really who feel safe in numbers. Over privileged. Know nothing about anything, but think they are authorities on everything.

Classic.

[houseboy]

Cassandra found that speaking truth and never being believed was her problem. (Admittedly it was a problem for the rest of the Trojans as well.) But she was ignored whenever she spoke, and it wasn't comfortable.

Nice one. We need more quality.

[Bosscat]

I almost expect to see this when they are interviewing ER idiots

"NOBODY expects the Extinction Rebellion! Our chief weapon is surprise!... Surprise and fear... fear and surprise...
Our two weapons are fear and surprise... and ruthless efficiency!
Our three weapons are fear, and surprise, and ruthless efficiency... and an almost fanatical devotion to the cause... Our four... no... Amongst our weapons... Hmf... Amongst our weaponry... are such elements as fear, surpr... Oh bugger I will start again"

[houseboy]

You are right but the default position is that if you can’t back it up you are just making it up. People then just ignore what you say presuming you are a troll or a liar (or both).

Totally agree but my point, perhaps made clumsily, is that nothing on this forum, in my opinion that is, is so important as to have to ‘prove’ everything one says. If I know something from memory or experience and wish to share it as part of a discussion I simply can’t be fussed to start trawling the internet to prove that which I already know. If I am unsure then I would either not post it or say I’m not certain.
However people view things differently and that’s good. My only irritation is when I read a post then someone replies further down with simply ‘proof?’ which I don’t really think adds anything to the discussion apart from making the reply seem a bit pseudo studentish.

[Bosscat]

I would like to say I've been "glued" to this thread but can't lie its BORING ...

[claretonthecoast1882]

I do wish they would go somewhere Canning Town tube station again.

[Hipper]

We've been warned of Global Warming and its consequences for quite a few years now and it seems a lot of people are not doing anything about it except making excuses why they can not or why it's pointless (China etc.). We still drive fossil fuel cars, fly away on holidays etc.. 'The government should do something' but we elected a government who said practically nothing in their manifesto on Global Warming. Is it any wonder that certain groups of people have decided that Extinction Rebellion, Reclaim Our Streets and others have decided that action outside of normal channels is the only way to bring this to people's attention.

We aren't listening.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... cm-climate?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62689707

My apologies to those who think this is too mainstream to present true facts.

[TsarBomba]

Where in the post is anyone getting annoyed ?misread post? I was replying to a post about the so called “ liberal elite “ being behind ER .I was stating I didn’t believe it was the “ LE” agenda per se, but plenty of donations and access to high end legal advice is funded . ( no issue with that at all, my issue is how they’re dealt with by law enforcement)

However I doubt crazed baboons like “Britain First” have funds for such lavish counsel , though I wouldn’t deny them legal representation just because I find them odious .

What’s the issue with how they are dealt with by ‘law enforcement’?

I’ve policed the mass demonstrations in Central London in years gone by, and so many have been arrested that we have run out of cell space across London.

Or is it an issue with sentencing, and the wider criminal justice system?

[Stockbrokerbelt]

That’s the spirit let the corrupt bunch who are in power now turn the people on the people, they are right to protest & freedom of speach. You only have to look at the funding in green in the UK, lack of investment in insulating homes in the UK & the rape of water, gas & electric in the UK to understand the protest. I live in Spain where my electric bills have been reduced by around 60% per month by intervention of the Spanish government who have also implemented a windfall tax as well as power & fuel being cheaper due to the EU’s buying power.

[Paul Waine]

as well as power & fuel being cheaper due to the EU’s buying power.

Hi Stockbroker, how does EU buying power make power and fuel cheaper in Spain?

[LeadBelly]

That’s the spirit let the corrupt bunch who are in power now turn the people on the people, they are right to protest & freedom of speach. You only have to look at the funding in green in the UK, lack of investment in insulating homes in the UK & the rape of water, gas & electric in the UK to understand the protest. I live in Spain where my electric bills have been reduced by around 60% per month by intervention of the Spanish government who have also implemented a windfall tax as well as power & fuel being cheaper due to the EU’s buying power.

If your bills in Spain have been reduced- somebody will be paying for the subsidy- presumably tax payers of Spain. If you pay tax in Spain you are (not so) indirectly paying?
I think you are politicising this thread by talking about "the corrupt bunch in power". Can you explain who you are accusing of corruption and why (without committing slander of course)?

[Burnley Ace]

Haven’t bills in Portugal and Spain been reduced because they have been allowed to decouple from the EU market due to the high proportion of renewables?

https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news ... rices/amp/