Tella Vs McNeil

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:44 am

Tella all day for me, but they are different players to be fair. McNeill more of a provider and Tella much more direct, pacey and looks a natural finisher too. This season I think we need more of Tellas qualities because we’ll need his goals and I just think he suits VKs system better than Dwight.

McNeill is a potentially good PL player on form and with confidence, but he’s missing a few yards of pace, with it he’d be dynamite. He’ll come good again I’m sure.

Stan Tastic · Post by **Stan Tastic** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:55 am

That first touch by Tella on his 'weaker' foot that led to the penalty at West Brom was sublime. It's something that McNeill could only dream of as he continues to be limited by his pathetic one-footedness.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:56 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:32 am
He’s still operating above championship level.

People are writing him off far too early. He has bags of ability.

I mean he's playing really poor for a PL club, recently been benched. Does that mean he's operating above Championship level performance wise? I'm not convinced at all.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:57 am

I always defended Mcneil when he was here too, just meh.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:58 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 05, 2022 7:25 am
McNeil. He would comfortably be the best player in this league and it wouldn’t even be close

Tella looks good at this level. Not sure he’s premier league player though.

I’ve read some sh1te on here but ffs! To think he’d be a 20+ goal runaway champ superstar takes some fantastical dreaming . Though he’d have certainly been “ good” with maybe 5-7 goals .

I’d have loved for us to keep Dwight in this league ,but for a player whose done almost nothing in 120?+ games ,sure he had flashes and a few goals ,but it was us being awful rather than DM being good . At 22 he’s still got yrs to improve but (imo) will never be a regular prem starter .

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:03 am

Three months ago if you'd said on here that Nathan Tella (a year older, couldn't really get in the Southampton team, presume most hadn't really heard of him) was better than Dwight McNeil you'd have had the OP's agreement and mostly ridicule.

Then this summer, McNeil moved to the Premier League for about £20m and Tella moved on loan to the Championship.

Now, most people on here think Tella is better. After seeing him play 6 games in a league a lower standard than McNeil has played in in his adult life. Is it recency bias, is it Burnley bias, or is it just silly?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:08 am

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:58 am
I’ve read some sh1te on here but ffs! To think he’d be a 20+ goal runaway champ superstar takes some fantastical dreaming . Though he’d have certainly been “ good” with maybe 5-7 goals .

I’d have loved for us to keep Dwight in this league ,but for a player whose done almost nothing in 120?+ games ,sure he had flashes and a few goals ,but it was us being awful rather than DM being good . At 22 he’s still got yrs to improve but (imo) will never be a regular prem starter .

You do realise the gap between Championship football and the Premier league is absolutely enormous, arguably the biggest gap between leagues anywhere.

Many players have been brilliant at Championship level yet found it difficult at times in the Prem, so just because McNeil has struggled recently doesn't mean to say he wouldn't find it easy at this level, just like many others have done.

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:09 am

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:03 am
Three months ago if you'd said on here that Nathan Tella (a year older, couldn't really get in the Southampton team, presume most hadn't really heard of him) was better than Dwight McNeil you'd have had the OP's agreement and mostly ridicule.

Then this summer, McNeil moved to the Premier League for about £20m and Tella moved on loan to the Championship.

Now, most people on here think Tella is better. After seeing him play 6 games in a league a lower standard than McNeil has played in in his adult life. Is it recency bias, is it Burnley bias, or is it just silly?

Yep, it is a bit silly and speculative, but then it's a fan's messageboard! But it isn't a question of who will be or is the best player, but who you'd have right now. Based on form, and (albeit on limited appearances as you noted) the qualities Tella seems to have - I would say Tella. No need to get annoyed by it, if I asked you who would win in a fight between a Gorilla and a Bear you would know it's daft but you'd probably answer. Relax.

Also, definitely Gorilla.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:10 am

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:36 am
If he had that much ability, I'm sure we'd have stayed up, especially given the number of games he played, as you've been quick to point out!

He did stay up because he has bags of ability.

There’s a reason one was loaned to the championship (whilst older) and the other got a 20m move to another prem club.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:14 am

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:03 am
Three months ago if you'd said on here that Nathan Tella (a year older, couldn't really get in the Southampton team, presume most hadn't really heard of him) was better than Dwight McNeil you'd have had the OP's agreement and mostly ridicule.

Then this summer, McNeil moved to the Premier League for about £20m and Tella moved on loan to the Championship.

Now, most people on here think Tella is better. After seeing him play 6 games in a league a lower standard than McNeil has played in in his adult life. Is it recency bias, is it Burnley bias, or is it just silly?

Or is it just euphoria of seeing a team play some great football ... a young hungry forward getting himself into scoring positions ...
Recency bias (not a clue what that is Dave)
Burnley bias ... Probably
Silly ... nope just lovin it

I liked McNeil when he played with a smile on his face but latterly in a BFC shirt he hadn't got one. He has recovered his grin in an Everton shirt, good luck to the lad he deserves it.

Tella however has an infectious grin all the time currently ... LONG may it continue

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:17 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:10 am
He did stay up because he has bags of ability.

There’s a reason one was loaned to the championship (whilst older) and the other got a 20m move to another prem club.

And he's just been dropped from that PL club.
Something we weren't in a position to do.

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:18 am

I don't think this means much but it did raise a little smile - fbref.com's number one comparison for Tella statistically is Aaron Lennon.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:36 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:10 am
He did stay up because he has bags of ability.

There’s a reason one was loaned to the championship (whilst older) and the other got a 20m move to another prem club.

In fairness there is about 6 months age difference, while at Southampton who did Tella have ahead of him in his position compared to Dwight ?

Both are decent players not sure we need to talk 1 down to big the other up

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:45 am

Totally different players so there's no comparison to be made. I'd love to have McNeil in our team though, I think he'd be loving his football. Both of them together would be *chef's kiss*.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:07 pm

Chalk and cheese, both in position and level of competition.
Dwight has got it in him, but getting it out of him seems to be as big a problem for Lampard as it was for Dyche. I would love to see Dwight play with the freedom and confidence of Tella.
If you were to ask who has the brighter future ahead of them, then even after 6 games, I'd say Tella, all day long. Pace, great first touch and control, and an eye for goal. You can see why Saints don't want to sell him.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:35 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:36 am
In fairness there is about 6 months age difference, while at Southampton who did Tella have ahead of him in his position compared to Dwight ?

Both are decent players not sure we need to talk 1 down to big the other up

Tbf I really like Tella I have said it a few times on this thread

But it’s a natural comparison with the title to discuss there levels.

ClaretPete001 · Post by **ClaretPete001** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:01 pm

I've been following Mc Neil on Grand old Team and he is credited for working really hard and tracking back against Leeds. I haven't seen any comments on his cameo against Liverpool.

Reading Southampton comments about Tella I think the general consensus was that he wasn't really PL ready yet.

Tella has brought pace and a much needed goal threat but we are much more open now than, for example, when Bastien plays.

I think Mc Neil's record speaks for itself and as others have said above there is no real comparison at this point.

I'm not sure about the rest tbh. Tella, Maatsen, Bastien, Vitinho have all looked good in part partially because to some extent they have all been played out of position/are in a new team.

Against Millwall Vitinho and Tella played like a pair of number 10s at times but got away with it. Tella played as a left side forward against West Brom at times and Maatsen really struggled. Was the latter related to the former?

I think in THB, Taylor, Cullen, Cork, Brownhill, and Jay Rod we have a Premiership spine that, up to West Brom, has been controlling games and looking very comfortable. On the other hand, Mc Neil played in a team that got relegated because it struggled in midfield to control the game.

Therefore, I think Mc Neil is a more complete player with an identified specialist role, which he can improve in, but the team needs Tella more because without his pace and direct running I'm not sure we would score enough goals.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:26 pm

Dwight McNeil like the majority of our side lost his way due to the tactics employed to try and keep us in the Premier League. We couldn't afford to be expansive and be ripped apart weekly but he was a real treat to watch at times. I'm 100% certain Nathan Tella will bring the same excitement back but to compare them is impossible given our new style of play.

andyh · Post by **andyh** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:00 pm

All this… he has only known the premier league so he must be good… is absolute rubbish. Dwight has really not got much to his game. He is very fortunate when he first came in that we were a very solid team needing a bit of flair and he has a little bit of that. So he got all the plaudits. He has perhaps had 20 decent crosses and a similar number of mazy runs and half that number of decent through balls and shots. Simply nowhere near enough for an attack minded player with so many games under his belt.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:24 pm

One being sold to a Premier League club for £20m and one being loaned to a Championship club is probably an indicator of their levels.

But, at the moment, whilst Tella is scoring goals he's probably the one we would currently want.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:59 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:39 am
One thing from his cameo on Saturday I noticed was his lack of pressing, he had literally just come on but couldn’t be bothered chasing the ball down on a couple of occasions, Iwobi was chasing absolutely everything and he’d been playing from the start!

Pickford was screaming at him. McNeil doesn't work remotely hard enough and his defensive distances are wrong at Everton. I doubt he'll be there more than 2 seasons

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:20 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 04, 2022 10:50 pm
Neither, Id rather have a multi-storey car park

Crime in multi-storey car parks. That is wrong on so many different levels.”

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:40 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:59 pm
Pickford was screaming at him. McNeil doesn't work remotely hard enough and his defensive distances are wrong at Everton. I doubt he'll be there more than 2 seasons

Pickford was screaming at his defence after only 2 minutes for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
Tarky will chin him by the end of the season.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:58 pm

karatekid wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:20 pm
Crime in multi-storey car parks. That is wrong on so many different levels.”

Its certainly no paradise, thats for sure.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:46 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:40 pm
Pickford was screaming at his defence after only 2 minutes for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
Tarky will chin him by the end of the season.

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Tue Sep 06, 2022 12:04 am

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:19 am
Neither is McNeil. He hasn't played well for about 2 years.

He's not unproven at Prem level, he's proved he's not good enough.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Tue Sep 06, 2022 7:29 am

Spijed wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:08 am
You do realise the gap between Championship football and the Premier league is absolutely enormous, arguably the biggest gap between leagues anywhere.

Many players have been brilliant at Championship level yet found it difficult at times in the Prem, so just because McNeil has struggled recently doesn't mean to say he wouldn't find it easy at this level, just like many others have done.

He most definitely would have found it easier and would have been pretty good for us . Though being “ far and away the best player in the champion “ was a somewhat fanciful quote ( which I was replying to ) The gulf is indeed a big one , though not sure on stats from say “ champ to prem vs Div 1 to champ “?

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Tue Sep 06, 2022 9:09 am

Pointless thread, really. Two very different players who currently play at different levels.

AfloatinClaret · Post by **AfloatinClaret** » Tue Sep 06, 2022 9:40 am

Guller Bull wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 05, 2022 8:19 am
How much does it cost to build a medium multi storey in an average city?

A lot depends on the ground conditions, but as a generalisation Burnley should be cheaper than most; I'd estimate about £1100/m2 so budget on £14,500 per bay: to include the circulation areas. So £20 million will get you a BIG car park - enough for about 1400 cars.

Of course if you built it on the Turf there'd be no room to play the games so it'd be a white elephant

Guller Bull · Post by **Guller Bull** » Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:35 am

AfloatinClaret wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 06, 2022 9:40 am
A lot depends on the ground conditions, but as a generalisation Burnley should be cheaper than most; I'd estimate about £1100/m2 so budget on £14,500 per bay: to include the circulation areas. So £20 million will get you a BIG car park - enough for about 1400 cars.

Of course if you built it on the Turf there'd be no room to play the games so it'd be a white elephant

And on the site that was formerly known as Ewood?

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:41 am

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:40 pm
Pickford was screaming at his defence after only 2 minutes for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
Tarky will chin him by the end of the season.

Oh what I would give to see that

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:59 am

morpheus2 wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 06, 2022 12:04 am
He's not unproven at Prem level, he's proved he's not good enough.

This is just a weird stance after a Premier League club paid £20m for him a month ago and he is currently playing in the Premier League.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:06 am

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 06, 2022 7:29 am
He most definitely would have found it easier and would have been pretty good for us . Though being “ far and away the best player in the champion “ was a somewhat fanciful quote ( which I was replying to ) The gulf is indeed a big one , though not sure on stats from say “ champ to prem vs Div 1 to champ “?

The gap has never been bigger.

Any of the players that left us would have been comfortably the best in there position in the league (players we sold).

McNeil would comfortably be the best. There’s no one is this league remotely close

thehistorylecturer1 · Post by **thehistorylecturer1** » Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:11 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:06 am
The gap has never been bigger.

Any of the players that left us would have been comfortably the best in there position in the league (players we sold).

McNeil would comfortably be the best. There’s no one is this league remotely close

Yes everyone in the Championship would be breaking the bank to sign

Max Thompson - Jacob Bedeau and Adam Phillips

Hennessy is debatable too

We SOLD all four

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:14 am

thehistorylecturer1 wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:11 am
Yes everyone in the Championship would be breaking the bank to sign

Max Thompson - Jacob Bedeau and Adam Phillips

Hennessy is debatable too

We SOLD all four

Haha you know who I’m referring to stop being awkward

thehistorylecturer1 · Post by **thehistorylecturer1** » Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:14 am

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:14 am

If McNeil had rediscovered his previous good form, he may well have been the best in the league, but we'll never know unless Everton go down, which is unlikely

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:43 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:06 am
The gap has never been bigger.

Any of the players that left us would have been comfortably the best in there position in the league (players we sold).

McNeil would comfortably be the best. There’s no one is this league remotely close

Sarr and Joao Pedro? I’d say Pedro is better than McNeil and Sarr better than Cornet. So neither would comfortably be the best.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:52 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:14 am
If McNeil had rediscovered his previous good form, he may well have been the best in the league, but we'll never know unless Everton go down, which is unlikely

Not a chance Everton go down now. Two solid CHs and the new midfield pair Onana/Gueye are quality.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Tue Sep 06, 2022 12:06 pm

An apples an oranges comparison but what I will say is that Tella’s ability to control a football coming at him from any direction and with both feet is sensational.

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Tue Sep 06, 2022 12:18 pm

McNeil's stats are truly awful. Yes the style of play wouldn't have suited him but he did see a lot of the ball and did very little with it. The comparison to Tella is irrelevant but I'm more than happy we we Tella in the squad

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Tue Sep 06, 2022 2:27 pm

Guller Bull wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 05, 2022 8:19 am
How much does it cost to build a medium multi storey in an average city?

https://www.checkatrade.com/blog/cost-g ... -car-park/

It seems about £10,000 per parking space so that's one for 2,000 cars. Of course that doesn't include buying the land. That might cost a few parking spaces.

AfloatinClaret · Post by **AfloatinClaret** » Tue Sep 06, 2022 3:44 pm

Guller Bull wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:35 am
And on the site that was formerly known as Ewood?

I'm sure you could get that job built much cheaper; For starters I know people who'd happily pay you to do the demolition work.

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Tue Sep 06, 2022 5:49 pm

aggi wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:59 am
This is just a weird stance after a Premier League club paid £20m for him a month ago and he is currently playing in the Premier League.

To be fair, as soon as the rigid Dyche shackles were finally removed the boy started to shine again like in his early days.