Taylor Harwood-Bellis

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:46 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:20 pm
Not sure how you think it's a fair race when THB starts with his back to the finish line whilst the attacker is running forwards. Still don't see the relevance to Hull's striker and Tarkowski either. You're just incredibly negative about the new team, good job you don't even attend games.

I’m incredibly negative about the new team? That’s a first

He’s plodding lad - poor acceleration.

Aye course I don’t, 5K on my clarets account

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RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:36 pm

Playing for England u21s now against Italy, they’ve just gone 1 up.

England are streaming it on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/XoXARTFhER8

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:29 pm

Missed 1st half.
How hasTHB played?

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:43 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:29 pm
Missed 1st half.
How hasTHB played?

Played well. Picking passes like we’ve become used to. Captain too.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:54 pm

Whats this note passing?

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:25 pm

Finished 2-0

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:27 pm

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:16 pm
There’s more to being a top defender than being decent in possession.

He reads the game well when defending in a high line and clearly has excellent vision and a stellar passing range.

However he is limited in the air and doesn’t seem to have great awareness defending inside the box - also isn’t particularly blessed with pace/acceleration.

Think he’s a very good young player but I’m not sure he has all the tools it takes to be a top top player as the OP alluded to

Agree. He has many forward attributes, however, he is a centre back. Job is head and block first. Create 2nd. Lack of pace - use your experience and positional sense to be there first.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:36 pm

Saw the 2nd half. THB looked very composed, looked as if he was organising the defence plus he played some decent passes into midfield.

NoFixedAbode_Claret · Post by **NoFixedAbode_Claret** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:45 pm

A fine passer of the football. Makes good decisions too

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:11 pm

IanMcL wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:27 pm
Agree. He has many forward attributes, however, he is a centre back. Job is head and block first. Create 2nd. Lack of pace - use your experience and positional sense to be there first.

Both Steve Davies and Ben Mee were particularly slow, but through experience and positional play were rarely exposed

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:38 pm

IanMcL wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:27 pm
Agree. He has many forward attributes, however, he is a centre back. Job is head and block first. Create 2nd. Lack of pace - use your experience and positional sense to be there first.

He is a far more cultured defender than you are giving him credit for.

ClaretPete001 · Post by **ClaretPete001** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:40 pm

Terrific young prospect not sure if he will make the top 6 in the PL but he looks to be PL class for sure.

Cullen aside looks to be the pick of the new recruits in terms of consistency, performance and contribution.

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:49 pm

ClaretPete001 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:40 pm
Terrific young prospect not sure if he will make the top 6 in the PL but he looks to be PL class for sure.

Cullen aside looks to be the pick of the new recruits in terms of consistency, performance and contribution.

THB has been MOM for me in virtually every game - including the first game, when he hardly got a mention. I think he's in a different league from Cullen.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:14 pm

He got substituted in the final stages of England U-21 tonight. Is he injured

ClaretPete001 · Post by **ClaretPete001** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:24 pm

dougcollins wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:49 pm
THB has been MOM for me in virtually every game - including the first game, when he hardly got a mention. I think he's in a different league from Cullen.

I think Cullen and Maatsen were the pick of the bunch in the first game and Cork/Brownhill arguably thereafter but I agree THB looks a cut above Cullen in terms of potential.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:44 pm

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:14 pm
He got substituted in the final stages of England U-21 tonight. Is he injured

Last minute..to give Mbete a debut.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:32 pm

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:11 pm
Both Steve Davies and Ben Mee were particularly slow, but through experience and positional play were rarely exposed

Exactly. That is what he will learn. Needs Ben Mee alongside him!

JTClaret · Post by **JTClaret** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:02 pm

Now I remember Cahill being quality, especially alongside John McGreal - This would be akin to THB being alongside Ben Mee (ish).
Cahill was also sold to Bolton before he made it.

THB is the main defender for us, at a very young age, that speaks volumes about how good he is.

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:28 pm

We won't get him (as my City supporting friends delight in informing me) but he's the one loan player I'd go all out for a deal.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:04 pm

But if we go up I think we will get another loan.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:53 am

When we go up this season it's a definite signing we need to make, permanent if possible, loan if not

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:41 am

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:53 am
When we go up this season it's a definite signing we need to make, permanent if possible, loan if not

When we go up, I like your confidence Woodley, and yes THB is one we need to try and keep if at all possible.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:46 am

The German lad may turn out to be as good as Harwood-Bellis.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:52 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYfbGPX0kCs

THB starts again v Germany.

Beyer on the bench for Germany.

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:46 pm

How'd he get on?

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:50 pm

fatboy47 wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:46 pm
How'd he get on?

Steady job in a team that is so much more positive than the main team! He came off after around 81 minutes just to give the other lad a run out.
Beyer came on as a sub for them for the last half hour and played well but picked up a silly booking when he took a free kick to get the England player booked because he hadn't retreated 10 yards. The ref booked them both!
Really good win 3-1 for England after going behing in the first half.

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:53 pm

Thanks Ashington.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:56 pm

Was on row 2 behind the goal so got a good view of THB.

Looked totally comfortable. More so than in the Champ to be fair (not so up and at ‘em).

Nearly scored with a left foot volley and Beyer at wing back looked good on the ball coming inside to end up at centre forward in a Roberts fashion.

Both our lads spotted the little ones Clarets attire. Which of course was the plan

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Wed Sep 28, 2022 6:20 am

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... r-25118843

Comments from him on how difficult it is to break through at City, especially after they signed another new cb in the summer. Also encouraging to see how committed he is to us this season.

1882Clarets1882 · Post by **1882Clarets1882** » Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:41 am

Hes a class act. As much of a Dyche man as I was, I doubt we'd have him in our team this season 8f SD had stayed.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:53 am

1882Clarets1882 wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:41 am
Hes a class act. As much of a Dyche man as I was, I doubt we'd have him in our team this season 8f SD had stayed.

I'm certain we wouldn't. And I was a Dyche fan.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:03 am

Being reported by Nixon today that City want THB to sign a new deal as his expires in 2024. Also that VK wants him back in the Prem and we could get him on loan again.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:04 am

Does he get back in the side at the moment?

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:06 am

Pearcey wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:04 am
Does he get back in the side at the moment?

For me, yes (when fit)

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:09 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:06 am
For me, yes (when fit)

Tough on Ekdal. Also, we may not get him next season so the more game time for Ekdal the better. Same with Beyer I guess. Tough call.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:14 am

Im not sure to be honest. Ekdal comes across to me as a bit more aggressive in the tackle, certainly more noticeable in the air, whereas THB is probably mite skilful. Just my opinion of course. A tough call for VK but not a bad one to have.

Rumpelstiltskin · Post by **Rumpelstiltskin** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:14 am

Class player.If we could loan him again next season there would be real competition in central defence.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:17 am

Pearcey wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:04 am
Does he get back in the side at the moment?

Absolutely and the sooner the better with big games against Sheff Utd and Boro on the horizon.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:39 am

Pearcey wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:09 am
Tough on Ekdal. Also, we may not get him next season so the more game time for Ekdal the better. Same with Beyer I guess. Tough call.

It would be tough on Ekdal but I'd certainly play THB when fully fit, and of course we need to do what we can to entice him back next season. THB is one of the best centre halves is this league and will get even better.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:42 am

No. We can’t drop Ekdal surely? Since he made his debut he’s played 8 games, 6 clean sheets, conceding just 2 goals in total.

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:57 am

It was only a couple of months ago everyone on here was saying how THB was a certainty to play for (and captain) England in the future. He has been part of the journey this season from the very beginning and deserves the chance to finish what he started.

Ekdal has been superb and is a great option to have as cover on the bench. But once fit, Harwood-Bellis comes back in for me alongside Beyer. He is a very good footballer.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:09 am

Quicknick wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:46 am
The German lad may turn out to be as good as Harwood-Bellis.

Turns out, he’s actually better.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:09 am

Is there any news on how close to full fitness he is?

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:09 am

I wouldn't drop Ekdal. Harwood Bellis might not even be here next season.

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:10 am

Ekdal is the better defender at the moment by quite a bit I’d say. He’s better in the air, knows when to attack the ball better and is a decent dribbler and passer himself - although not at THB’s level.

Al-Dakhil has looked really good in his performances too. Really quick and a proper front foot defender. Very impressive for his age and we need to try and make sure he gets game time.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:14 am

jrgbfc wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:09 am
I wouldn't drop Ekdal. Harwood Bellis might not even be here next season.

If you see my post a bit further up, it’s being reported that City want him to sign a new deal and that VK will want him back on loan next season. Of course that might not happen but I think it’s quite likely.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:15 am

The stats I've seen show that THB has won more aerially than any other player

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:16 am

jrgbfc wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:09 am
I wouldn't drop Ekdal. Harwood Bellis might not even be here next season.

The more he plays, the more chance he'll be here next season I reckon

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:18 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:14 am
If you see my post a bit further up, it’s being reported that City want him to sign a new deal and that VK will want him back on loan next season. Of course that might not happen but I think it’s quite likely.

But surely if you go in and perform you should keep your place? THB was unlucky to get injured but that's football.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:21 am

taio wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:15 am
The stats I've seen show that THB has won more aerially than any other player

Aerials won %

THB 62.6
Ekdal 71.4
Beyer 58.4
Taylor 59.3

Limited data for Ekdal, though, given he’s played only 8 games.