Match Thread - Burnley v Stoke.

[Quickenthetempo]

Two games in a row we have conceded goals where our defender hasn't jumped or challenged.

Need lots of work on the training ground on things other than possession.

[Ampth7]

For the record I did actually. You must have missed it.

We are one of the top scorers in the league, scoring goals is not our problem. Keeping clean sheets is our biggest problem. I don’t really know how anyone can debate that

Agree, we need to be keeping more clean sheets and tonight, against a poor side, was a great chance to do so! Westy had it right on Clarets Player with what he said at the end - ‘we should have seen the game out 1-0!’

[JimmyRobbo]

Muric is total shite

You'd have saved it would you? Ignored him saving the one on one?

Be sensible. He's a decent keeper.

[boatshed bill]

Our defence is arguably the weakest in the league when it comes to defending crosses.

I take it you've watched all the others.

[chekhov]

I'm amazed at the impatience of some of our supporters.
take a long look at yourselves, this is a team in its development stages with lots of work that needs doing.
Some of you sound like spoiled brats...grow up FFS.

I’m with you Boatshed. And if we’d held out for a win folk would have been lauding a great performance just lacking a few more goals to cement our superior quality.
It’s all about small margins as they say, but honestly we’re not far off being genuine promotion material. Not bad considering the transformation that’s taking place.

[Spijed]

Two games in a row we have conceded goals where our defender hasn't jumped or challenged.

Need lots of work on the training ground on things other than possession.

Unfortunately I don't think our problems can be resolved on the training ground with the current players we have.

Our defence isn't good enough for the physical nature of this league

[JimmyRobbo]

Roberts needs to go and quickly. He’s absolutely bobbins!

Missed his goal? Great 1st touch and a sweet strike. As good as any winger we have.

He played well. The goal against us wasn't entirely his fault but he wasn't great in defending it.

[lesxdp]

I don’t think that’s true. There’s two teams that have scored one more goal than us and that is it.

Defence and keeping clean sheets is definitely our biggest issue

Goals scored is highly improved by the Blackpool and Wigan games. If we had two in every game we could be in a better position.

[boatshed bill]

I’m with you Boatshed. And if we’d held out for a win folk would have been lauding a great performance just lacking a few more goals to cement our superior quality.
It’s all about small margins as they say, but honestly we’re not far off being genuine promotion material. Not bad considering the transformation that’s taking place.

I seriously believe some on here think we have some right to win every game,
add to that the Sean is God bunch...

They can't wait to jump out of the woodwork.

[JimmyRobbo]

**** wet through, thoroughly ****** off and readying myself for a 2.5 hour return home in terrible weather.

Absolute **** and it’s becoming the norm, we were all just waiting for the sucker punch in the stands as we passed it around in our aimless, ‘attractive’ manner rather than having the ambition to kill them off.

Tella - hang your head in greedy shame at not laying it off when free in the box as well. Bloody knew it would cost us.

Ouch not a great night for the purists. Sorry you're not getting in 'til the wee hours.

I was less than impressed with Tella for that trick. I'm not overly impressed with him, generally, but he's scored and is obviously liked by VK. Fair enough overall. He's learning. We're learning.

[Cooclaret]

Missed his goal? Great 1st touch and a sweet strike. As good as any winger we have.

He played well. The goal against us wasn't entirely his fault but he wasn't great in defending it.

He’s NOT a winger.

He’s slow and ponderous on the ball.

More importantly he’s useless off it.

Most importantly HE CANNOT DEFEND.

[Tricky Trevor]

If we are conceding all these late goals because we can’t defend crosses Matt Lowton and Kevin Long are the answer. It won’t happen but they are in the house, use them.
Lowton..Long..Beyer..Taylor and we walk this league.

[JimmyRobbo]

He’s NOT a winger.

He’s slow and ponderous on the ball.

More importantly he’s useless off it.

Most importantly HE CANNOT DEFEND.

Are you being disingenuous? His touch and strike for the goal was as good as a winger. I'm sure your analysis is spot on, otherwise. Or not. You could do with pondering a little more before posting emotional inaccuracies.

[chekhov]

I seriously believe some on here think we have some right to win every game,
add to that the Sean is God bunch...

They can't wait to jump out of the woodwork.

Some of the younger posters can get right worked up especially after a late equaliser. The emotion gets to them. Give ‘em a cup of Horlicks and off to bed!

[BabylonClaret]

He’s NOT a winger.

He’s slow and ponderous on the ball.

More importantly he’s useless off it.

Most importantly HE CANNOT DEFEND.

To be fair I've not seen any of it but I've been largely underwhelmed by Roberts since we signed him. Bar two or three decent performances he has been woeful.

[boatshed bill]

If we are conceding all these late goals because we can’t defend crosses Matt Lowton and Kevin Long are the answer. It won’t happen but they are in the house, use them.
Lowton..Long..Beyer..Taylor and we walk this league.

FFS. I doubt Kevin Long will ever again kick a football in Burnley's first team.

[KRBFC]

Taylor should've been on at left back or as a third CB. VK only seems to make offensive changes. Brownhill is not a number 10. Benson was our best player and gets hooked. What's the fascination with subbing off our best player? No idea why Vitinho is starting ahead of Maatsen either. Bastien vanished. Taylor was MOTM at Cardiff, now out of the team.

[gandhisflipflop]

I'm amazed at the impatience of some of our supporters.
take a long look at yourselves, this is a team in its development stages with lots of work that needs doing.
Some of you sound like spoiled brats...grow up FFS.

A lot don’t understand the game enough in my opinion. We will get better.

[chekhov]

Goals scored is highly improved by the Blackpool and Wigan games. If we had two in every game we could be in a better position.

So, to put it your way we’re either scoring too many goals or not enough. Kompany really does have his work cut out to satisfy you!

[Indecisive]

Played some very decent stuff. Not quite opening teams up enough but would have been very deserving of 3 points today.

I can tell you now, they will be buzzing with the point.

The reality is, and if you’ve listened to the Bellamy interview our management team know it….we are a completely new team, and a very young team. Where as under Dyche we had that backbone, and the nouse to get the game management right… it’s just not there yet.

I was very much pro Dyche, but equally I’m am pleasantly surprised by Kompany so far.

Typically the responses on hear are so reactionary and OTT. We could easily have won that 3-0 playing 90% of the game identically and everyone would be talking about how close we are to the automatics.

[Robbo1882]

You'd have saved it would you? Ignored him saving the one on one?

Be sensible. He's a decent keeper.

I’m not a professional goalkeeper,
But I respect your opinion, but to me he’s a massive liability.

[boatshed bill]

I’m not a professional goalkeeper,
But I respect your opinion, but to me he’s a massive liability.

So what exactly makes a goalkeeper into a "liability"? I'd really like to know.

[Carwin261]

Think Kompany. has slipped up in the last 2 games with his subs,bringing Barnes on on Saturday,& taking Benson off tonight,he may not have been picking the right option every time,but their left side were frightened to death of him.

[tiger76]

I'm amazed at the impatience of some of our supporters.
take a long look at yourselves, this is a team in its development stages with lots of work that needs doing.
Some of you sound like spoiled brats...grow up FFS.

I agree to an extent but when we keep shipping soft late goals questions will rightly be asked.

We are capable of competing near the of this league based on our 1st 12 games, and that's where the frustration kicks in when we keep squandering needless points.

The past 4 days a prime example, we see out the Cardiff and Stoke games and we're only 1 point off the summit, so the potential is clear to see, it's just sorting out these tiny errors which keep costing us big time, deal with those and we should be able to look forwards with relish.

[Cooclaret]

Are you being disingenuous? His touch and strike for the goal was as good as a winger. I'm sure your analysis is spot on, otherwise. Or not. You could do with pondering a little more before posting emotional inaccuracies.

You answer for me. ‘His touch and strike for the goal was as a good as a winger.’ - you agree with me, he’s not a winger. Nothing emotional about it, he’s a liability within the system VK plays.

He doesn’t have the ability or play 360 as Cork and Cullen do. Yet he’s clogging up that space.

Fingers crossed he has a good World Cup and we have someone’s pants down for 5-7million.

[Vino blanco]

There was good turnout of clarets in the Underground Bar tonight, about 30. Amongst them was one of our friends a Stoke City fan, who often watches the Burnley games with us. Before the game tonight he said we would have all the possession and score a goal, then they would equalise in the last five minutes. If he can see it then our management team and players must be aware of it.

[boatshed bill]

I agree to an extent but when we keep shipping soft late goals questions will rightly be asked.

We are capable of competing near the of this league based on our 1st 12 games, and that's where the frustration kicks in when we keep squandering needless points.

The past 4 days a prime example, we see out the Cardiff and Stoke games and we're only 1 point off the summit, so the potential is clear to see, it's just sorting out these tiny errors which keep costing us big time, deal with those and we should be able to look forwards with relish.

No doubt, I get the frustration. just don't choose to react like a kid who's had his toys taken away.
If we want a serious conversation about what we think would help the team push on I'm all for it.

[CaptJohn]

If we are conceding all these late goals because we can’t defend crosses Matt Lowton and Kevin Long are the answer. It won’t happen but they are in the house, use them.
Lowton..Long..Beyer..Taylor and we walk this league.

Tend to agree. We're a soft touch late on when teams just bombard us with high balls. It will only get worse as the weather worsens and the pitches heavier.

[JimmyRobbo]

I’m not a professional goalkeeper,
But I respect your opinion, but to me he’s a massive liability.

Fair enough. I didn't think it was an easy save to make. I'm not sure Heats, Popey or anyone else would be expected to save the goal. It's one of those that is just disappointing to see go in. Like so many, we expected it but nobody did anything determined or positive to stop it. Arguably, our resolute defending of recent years would have dealt with it but we just didn't. Not entirely his fault. Nor Roberts'. I didn't see who stepped off at various stages but nobody took control.

We need to improve in that area. I'm sure VK knows that.

[CryerBFC]

I’m no experienced football manager, but this isn’t the first, nor do I think it will be the last time this season we concede and drop points, late on, to a ball swung into the box for the opposition to attack.

Kompany will know more about the lads, but surely, last 10 mins, in a tight game. Why not throw on players like McNally/Long etc.

Before anyone says it, I know they don’t get picked even on the bench. But surely they can be trusted to come on to see a game out. Get in the way of shots, get your head on the crosses, and see out what we have.

[tiger76]

No doubt, I get the frustration. just don't choose to react like a kid who's had his toys taken away.
If we want a serious conversation about what we think would help the team push on I'm all for it.

I totally understand why you'd be annoyed at how OTT this board can get, but part of the problem is some fans have unrealistic expectations, and simply expect us to waltz back to the PL at the first time of asking, without taking into account the huge turnover in our playing squad, plus also a new manager who's still learning this division, whilst also attempting to implement a whole new style of play.

Despite the obvious disappointment of conceding late again, generally I can see far more positives than negatives, and this team will take time to grow and develop as we've mainly invested in potential during the summer, and by their nature younger players are more prone to mistakes.

For me we'll definitely claim a PO place, but I'd hope we'd improve over the course of the season and be able to push for automatic, as that's definitely within our grasp once we tighten up in key areas.

[lesxdp]

So, to put it your way we’re either scoring too many goals or not enough. Kompany really does have his work cut out to satisfy you!

I was simply replying to a post claiming that we had scored a high number of goals, but sadly it was only in two games. As I said and others have said the same, if we could get two goals in a game we would be in a better position than trying to defend a one goal lead. I don't see where you read that I was complaining that we had scored too many goals, or even mentioned if Kompany could please me. I do actually think he will get it right this season

[chekhov]

I was simply replying to a post claiming that we had scored a high number of goals, but sadly it was only in two games. As I said and others have said the same, if we could get two goals in a game we would be in a better position than trying to defend a one goal lead. I don't see where you read that I was complaining that we had scored too many goals, or even mentioned if Kompany could please me. I do actually think he will get it right this season

Fair enough, and you’re right you didn’t say we score too many, I’m just being flippant at your expense. Apologies.

[Nonayforever]

We played Stoke off the park tonight. They hung on and took their chance well. Every team in every game will get a chance at some point.
We have to turn the domination of possession into more chances and tighten up at the back. Both will come in time.
V K has done wonders so far with , essentially, a makeshift team.
Many of the players would struggle to get into other teams but they compliment each other in our system.

[Tricky Trevor]

FFS. I doubt Kevin Long will ever again kick a football in Burnley's first team.

You are probably correct but for all the love THB gets on here far too many of these goals we are conceding have come in his RCB area. Including the last 2 matches. Roberts was on Clarke tonight but why? He’s a tidy footballer but looks under 6’ to me and he might have a weakness that other teams will pick up on.

[KlyBfc]

Can’t blame THB tonight. Go back and look at that goal. Blame Squarely lies with Vitinho pathetic defending, no desire to close the cross down.

[boatshed bill]

You are probably correct but for all the love THB gets on here far too many of these goals we are conceding have come in his RCB area. Including the last 2 matches. Roberts was on Clarke tonight but why? He’s a tidy footballer but looks under 6’ to me and he might have a weakness that other teams will pick up on.

regarding central defenders: Beyer and HB scarcely misplaced a pass between them, they are intelligent defenders.
If we revert to the older model they will be giving possession away on a regular basis (IMO, of course) bringing more pressure on us defensively.
Unfortunately our new defenders cannot be guaranteed to win crucial aerial duels

[Boydesque]

You'd have saved it would you? Ignored him saving the one on one?

Be sensible. He's a decent keeper.

He s got Nick popes feet on the end of his arms

[jen1066]

Many of the players would struggle to get into other teams but they compliment each other in our system.

Most players would get into most teams.

[ClaretFelix]

Fair enough. I didn't think it was an easy save to make. I'm not sure Heats, Popey or anyone else would be expected to save the goal. It's one of those that is just disappointing to see go in. Like so many, we expected it but nobody did anything determined or positive to stop it. Arguably, our resolute defending of recent years would have dealt with it but we just didn't. Not entirely his fault. Nor Roberts'. I didn't see who stepped off at various stages but nobody took control.

We need to improve in that area. I'm sure VK knows that.

When I watched the game live I thought Muric could have done a lot better, and on seeing the highlights, particularly from the camera in the Jimmy McIlroy stand, I still feel exactly the same. It was almost certainly within reach, his reactions are terrible and just doesn't seem to anticipate or set himself.
The same could be said for the Cardiff goal

[AfloatinClaret]

We played Stoke off the park tonight. They hung on and took their chance well. Every team in every game will get a chance at some point...

Watching new Burnley's games this season's one begins to appreciate why the other Premier League managers and supporters have so hated the old Burnley over recent years.

[Elizabeth]

We were excellent tonight. Always disappointing to concede so late but that’s football. Another point closer to the top and another game unbeaten. It feels like we’re close to consistently winning. Onwards to Coventry.

I am sorry to disagree but we were nowhere near excellent tonight.

We were pedestrian on the ball giving the Stoke defence too much time to organise. When we got the ball out wide, which we were good at, the final ball wasn't good enough leading to too many corners and not enough attempts at goal.
When we got the vital opening goal we showed no urgency to drive this advantage home and the football was back,back,back with Cullen the worst culprit.

While it can still be classed as early days the system played by the manager needs a rethink. It is not good enough to pass, pass, pass and get nowhere most of the time.

[boatshed bill]

I am sorry to disagree but we were nowhere near excellent tonight.

We were pedestrian on the ball giving the Stoke defence too much time to organise. When we got the ball out wide, which we were good at, the final ball wasn't good enough leading to too many corners and not enough attempts at goal.
When we got the vital opening goal we showed no urgency to drive this advantage home and the football was back,back,back with Cullen the worst culprit.

While it can still be classed as early days the system played by the manager needs a rethink. It is not good enough to pass, pass, pass and get nowhere most of the time.

It's obvious what he's trying to achieve.
I'd be more than surprised if he rethinks it.
i'd be doubly more than surprised if he came on here for tips

[Elizabeth]

You're that way out bill tonight

[helmclaret]

This is a brand new team.

Give the guys a break and have some patience.

Some really pathetic and negative comments.

[boatshed bill]

You're that way out bill tonight

No, I'm fine, thanks Lizzie.
Maybe just a little more patient about the standard of our football than I am about some of our posters

[Elizabeth]

To add, I'm don't know what he's trying to achieve other than a world record for the number of square and backward passes in a game.
Very similar style to the England team many years ago, and that didn't lead anywhere

[Elizabeth]

No, I'm fine, thanks Lizzie.
Maybe just a little more patient about the standard of our football than I am about some of our posters

You are very patient if you can watch that style of football, more patient than me.

[helmclaret]

Get a grip mate.

We’ve played most teams off the park this season.

A bit more of a cutting edge and patience with an inexperienced defence and keeper is required.

[boatshed bill]

Get a grip mate.

We’ve played most teams off the park this season.

A bit more of a cutting edge and patience with an inexperienced defence and keeper is required.

This, exactly...
cutting edge, more dynamics in attack.
I can see why he wanted Obefemi (sp?)