Match Thread - Burnley v Stoke.

[Elizabeth]

Get a grip mate.

We’ve played most teams off the park this season.

A bit more of a cutting edge and patience with an inexperienced defence and keeper is required.

We have more possession but that is not the same as playing them off the park unless there is an end product. Too often there isn't .

Games are not decided by how many passes and corners you achieve, but I know you know that.

I agree about patience being needed with the defence and goalie , I would however prefer going back to a traditional back 4 with Taylor in his rightful position .

[helmclaret]

I like football being played on the floor so
prepared to back the manager.

Yes, we need to be more ruthless but give it chance. The whole club is going in a different direction.

If you don’t like possession based football you aren’t going to enjoy the next few years.

[Belgianclaret]

We’d done more than enough to deserve 3 points today

[BabylonClaret]

We’d done more than enough to deserve 3 points today

Except score

[dvalley69]

Can’t blame THB tonight. Go back and look at that goal. Blame Squarely lies with Vitinho pathetic defending, no desire to close the cross down.

Just seen the highlights on Clarets+ and was just gonna write that strange that no-one is calling out Vitinho, just stands there with his hands behind his back for more than a second; close him the **** down as soon as that ball gets to his feet. You cannot give someone 1,5 secs to get a cross in from there.

[Belgianclaret]

Except score

We did score

[BabylonClaret]

We did score

... enough.

[Belgianclaret]

... enough.

Our 1 goal should have been enough...

[NRC]

I'm amazed at the impatience of some of our supporters.
take a long look at yourselves, this is a team in its development stages with lots of work that needs doing.
Some of you sound like spoiled brats...grow up FFS.

all of that is true, but at the same time, there needs to be growth. Saturday and previous games where we've foregone winning positions should have provided learning moments, and we've gone and done it again....... it's careless.

I do wonder if VK needs to go conventional at the back, moving Taylor left and making a decision about Lowton. Taylor was hardly a slow coach in the PL going up and down the left flank.... I'm not sure what we'd be giving up, but I'm damn certain what we'd gain

[AGENT_CLARET]

Can’t blame THB tonight. Go back and look at that goal. Blame Squarely lies with Vitinho pathetic defending, no desire to close the cross down.

Vitinho isn't the tallest player to start with but whilst defending the cross for the goal last night he put his arms behind his back and bends down low making himself about 5 feet tall, never in this world are you cutting out a cross from that position

[RVclaret]

It was shocking defending from Vitinho for their goal. What on earth is he doing? He let their man have all the time in the world to pick out the exact spot to put the ball.

[Dingo]

I am sorry to disagree but we were nowhere near excellent tonight.

We were pedestrian on the ball giving the Stoke defence too much time to organise. When we got the ball out wide, which we were good at, the final ball wasn't good enough leading to too many corners and not enough attempts at goal.
When we got the vital opening goal we showed no urgency to drive this advantage home and the football was back,back,back with Cullen the worst culprit.

While it can still be classed as early days the system played by the manager needs a rethink. It is not good enough to pass, pass, pass and get nowhere most of the time.

The Stoke players were very quick to get into shape and as they were playing on the counter we didn’t have many opportunities to make those quick transitions when they were out of shape. We did what Stoke did for a decade nearly which shows how effective the approach is. I quite enjoy the possession style as it’s great to watch us purposefully start plays, work patterns from training, and look to craft chances in different ways. I don’t think we’re far off everything clicking and I’d rather we time that for the second half of the season. I can’t a see significant rethink taking place so you might have to prepare for a season of disappointment.

[Commy]

Stokes goal looked very similar to Cardiffs.

[NewClaret]

Our 1 goal should have been enough...

One goal should never be considered enough. It isn’t, as we have proven at least 4 times this season.

Bar 2x long shots in the first half, which I was glad we took by the way (mixes it up), we played 45 minutes of football and created nothing.

Then we scored & seemed content to pass it around and not push for a second. Then the inevitable happens.

Maybe last year a goal would be enough. That’s because our style of low block meant after we’d scored, teams struggled to beat us. Now we’re playing more expansively it won’t be. Our midfield was passed through with ease for their goal. No lines, no real organisation.

That’s not a complaint but just my views we’ll always need to score more than once if we’re to win playing this system.

[tiger76]

This is a brand new team.

Give the guys a break and have some patience.

Some really pathetic and negative comments.

1 defeat in 12 and that was an unlucky one at Watford, yes I get people's frustrations about not killing games off but considering this is effectively a brand-new team we're doing as well as could be realistically expected.

I only hope that AP displays more patience than some posters on this forum, this was always going to be a long term rebuild, yet some people seem to think we can simply swat the other Championship teams aside with ease, that was never going to be the case in my view, but we're well in touch with the top 2, and have the potential to show improvements throughout the season.

[123EasyasBFC]

The Brownhill assist is the first thing he’s done since Wigan, Roberts has been getting stick for weeks for apparently being ‘average’ but Brownhill seems to be getting away with it, if twine was fit surely Brownhills place would be under threat, been a passenger last few games

[Hapag Lloyd]

Stokes goal looked very similar to Cardiffs.

It was.
Weak defending down our left, weak challenge in the middle for the header and a weak attempt at a save from the keeper.

[warksclaret]

We are conceding a number of goals from our left side of defence. People on here blaming Vitinho last night for their goal, in previous weeks it was Maatsen. For me both are attacking FB's but Maatsen has the edge in that he is powerful and gets to the byline quickly. However both are poor defenders. Last night VK showed he is not afraid to make tough decisions by resting Taylor. I thought Beyer in his second game was outstanding and surely must keep his place. VK I hope will soon realise that the back 4 of Roberts/TBH/Beyer/ Taylor is the strongest one we have and could stop this stupid conceding of goals. I hope in time he will not rule out 3 at the back ie Beyer/THB/Taylor and use Maatsen & Roberts in their natural roles. That for me would be playing to our strengths

[Stalbansclaret]

The Brownhill assist is the first thing he’s done since Wigan, Roberts has been getting stick for weeks for apparently being ‘average’ but Brownhill seems to be getting away with it, if twine was fit surely Brownhills place would be under threat, been a passenger last few games

I must be watching a different game as I thought Brownhill was very good last night. Broke up play countless times , had consistently excellent first touch and, of course, set up the goal with a lovely slide-rule pass. I'd be interested to know is pass completion rate as that might persuade me otherwise, or back me up that he had a good game.