Kompany thoughts so far....

[Vim Fuego]

Twine will make a difference in the final 3rd and maybe cement what VK is putting together

I do recall a fleeting glimpse of him hitting the post vs Hudds

[Newcastleclaret93]

If they are instrumental in getting us promotion then they will have helped make us a large amount of money.
They may stay with us (hopefully) and enjoy improved contracts but you'd expect that.

It’s a real catch 22 with loan signings. If they gets us promoted it’s great, but the downside is it will blow up there potential transfer fees.

THB for example will likely be worth 15m next summer if we are promoted

[ClaretPete001]

It’s a real catch 22 with loan signings. If they gets us promoted it’s great, but the downside is it will blow up there potential transfer fees.

THB for example will likely be worth 15m next summer if we are promoted

Indeed, currently the five are valued around £25 million; if we got promoted and they continue their current form would would we get much change out of £40 million to buy all of them? I don't know; Mc Neil is of a similar age and we got £15 million for him - Tella is currently valued at just short of £3 million so......? And he is currently the second most effective striker in the division with 1 in 2 strike rate/36 % conversion rate.

And then you have to spend to replace Cork and Jay Rod who will be 34. But that's the good problem. The bigger issue is: we don't get promotion.

All my point is that we should bare in mind the constraints VK faces when referring to the longer term project. In reality, he doesn't have a crystal ball and neither do we. Currently, we have 4 first team regulars who are as likely as not to be elsewhere next season.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Indeed, currently the five are valued around £25 million; if we got promoted and they continue their current form would would we get much change out of £40 million to buy all of them? I don't know; Mc Neil is of a similar age and we got £15 million for him - Tella is currently valued at just short of £3 million so......? And he is currently the second most effective striker in the division with 1 in 2 strike rate/36 % conversion rate.

And then you have to spend to replace Cork and Jay Rod who will be 34. But that's the good problem. The bigger issue is: we don't get promotion.

All my point is that we should bare in mind the constraints VK faces when referring to the longer term project. In reality, he doesn't have a crystal ball and neither do we. Currently, we have 4 first team regulars who are as likely as not to be elsewhere next season.

Some very good points there, I find myself agreeing with nearly everything you have said.

If Tella gets 20 odd this season and we are promoted, I could see Southampton wanting probably our transfer record for him.

[fatboy47]

There's a roaring trade in worry beads to be done on this board if there's any budding entrepreneurs out there.

[Vim Fuego]

There are some roaring something's on here that's for sure... page 2 full of the usual nit-pickers ruining it

[NewClaret]

Indeed, currently the five are valued around £25 million; if we got promoted and they continue their current form would would we get much change out of £40 million to buy all of them? I don't know; Mc Neil is of a similar age and we got £15 million for him - Tella is currently valued at just short of £3 million so......? And he is currently the second most effective striker in the division with 1 in 2 strike rate/36 % conversion rate.

And then you have to spend to replace Cork and Jay Rod who will be 34. But that's the good problem. The bigger issue is: we don't get promotion.

All my point is that we should bare in mind the constraints VK faces when referring to the longer term project. In reality, he doesn't have a crystal ball and neither do we. Currently, we have 4 first team regulars who are as likely as not to be elsewhere next season.

Certainly, but in the scenarios you state….

We go up. £40m may well be achievable given we’d only pay £10-£15m up front. Or sign some and look at new loans to replace the others. For example, you might sign Beyer if we have a favourable option on him, and look at a loan for the young Liverpool lad that went to Europe this year? Maybe try to sign Tella and speak to City about their Anderlecht LB who they’d presumably want to get some PL football?

We stay down. In that scenario we likely lose the majority of the loanee’s unless one or two fancy another crack at it. But there will be other players looking to get Champ experience across the PL and Europe. Here we have some expensive senior players we may chose to move on, who are contributing very little atm, to free up some wage capacity. Overall I can see a scenario where we had a smaller, less expensive, but better equipped squad to go up next year - given 16 new players would’ve gained valuable experience.

I agree VK’s constrained. I don’t think anyone is under any illusion about that, which is why it’s great that he appears to be knowledgable about players from cheaper, foreign markets; willing to use his contacts and the loan market well; and able to attract players. Otherwise I dread to think…

[NewClaret]

There's a roaring trade in worry beads to be done on this board if there's any budding entrepreneurs out there.

I’m thinking I might start some UTC cognitive behavioural therapy at £30 a session

[ClaretPete001]

Certainly, but in the scenarios you state….

We go up. £40m may well be achievable given we’d only pay £10-£15m up front. Or sign some and look at new loans to replace the others. For example, you might sign Beyer if we have a favourable option on him, and look at a loan for the young Liverpool lad that went to Europe this year? Maybe try to sign Tella and speak to City about their Anderlecht LB who they’d presumably want to get some PL football?

We stay down. In that scenario we likely lose the majority of the loanee’s unless one or two fancy another crack at it. But there will be other players looking to get Champ experience across the PL and Europe. Here we have some expensive senior players we may chose to move on, who are contributing very little atm, to free up some wage capacity. Overall I can see a scenario where we had a smaller, less expensive, but better equipped squad to go up next year - given 16 new players would’ve gained valuable experience.

I agree VK’s constrained. I don’t think anyone is under any illusion about that, which is why it’s great that he appears to be knowledgable about players from cheaper, foreign markets; willing to use his contacts and the loan market well; and able to attract players. Otherwise I dread to think…

Yes all good points...! I don't think we disagree. It will become clearer as the season unfolds...!

[boatshed bill]

It’s a real catch 22 with loan signings. If they gets us promoted it’s great, but the downside is it will blow up there potential transfer fees.

THB for example will likely be worth 15m next summer if we are promoted

Yes, but we can't assume he'll be up for sale.
Look at the positives: if we increase the value of 4 loanees we'll have less trouble getting some other (really good) ones, whichever league we are in.

[NewClaret]

Some very good points there, I find myself agreeing with nearly everything you have said.

If Tella gets 20 odd this season and we are promoted, I could see Southampton wanting probably our transfer record for him.

I shan’t lie awake at night worrying about the what’ll happen if Tella gets 20 goals this year! I’m praying it happens as we might have half a chance of going up if he does.

If we go up we become attractive to a whole load of players. Vinny got Zirkzee at Anderlecht from Bayern, for example.

The basic issue is Dyche left an aging squad and it’s renewal will take some time, which means we’ll be reliant on some short-term fixes for a while.

[ClaretPete001]

I’m thinking I might start some UTC cognitive behavioural therapy at £30 a session

No offence intended, but given you've just written 3 paragraphs engaging with the - sniff sob "nit-pickers" boo-hoo - I think in terms of offering therapy to the compulsively pedantic you may need to defer to someone less afflicted than yourself...!

I am joint chair of the Lancashire branch of Pedants Together United in Disagreement. Simon Jordan is our patron and I am happy to offer you a free membership given your invaluable contributions to the cause.

[NewClaret]

Yes all good points...! I don't think we disagree. It will become clearer as the season unfolds...!

All agreed then.

But my main point is: just pass the ****ing ball quicker!!!!!!

[NewClaret]

No offence intended, but given you've just written 3 paragraphs engaging with the - sniff sob "nit-pickers" boo-hoo - I think in terms of offering therapy to the compulsively pedantic you may need to defer to someone less afflicted than yourself...!

I am joint chair of the Lancashire branch of Pedants Together United in Disagreement. Simon Jordan is our patron and I am happy to offer you a free membership given your invaluable contributions to the cause.

Sign me up!

[boatshed bill]

All agreed then.

But my main point is: just pass the ****ing ball quicker!!!!!!

i'm sure there's a perfectly good explanation as to why they don't do this.

[NewClaret]

i'm sure there's a perfectly good explanation as to why they don't do this.

I’m sure there is boatshed. I need Vinny to personally call me and explain it before this season kills me off

[ClaretPete001]

All agreed then.

But my main point is: just pass the ****ing ball quicker!!!!!!

Well yes, but the pedant would want to explain in detail why we are passing it so slowly including a critique of Roberts and the orthodox Right Mid employed by VK and the lack of a pacy striker because of ALKs underinvestment.

In turn that would send the ClaretFlake into a tumult of misery about those who bring negativity into their sunlit grassy plain of happiness.

So, on the basis of accuracy, brevity and to the point conciseness: I rescind the offer. Frankly, that level of - to the pointness - is unacceptable to the Pedant community.

You can re-apply in 3 months usual terms and conditions apply....!

[boatshed bill]

I’m sure there is boatshed. I need Vinny to personally call me and explain it before this season kills me off

Just watch. It's all there for you to see.

[NewClaret]

Interesting stat here:

1st in passes in opp half but only tenth in touches in box & passes into box.

https://mobile.twitter.com/adjones_jour ... 1782824966

[boatshed bill]

Interesting stat here:

1st in passes in opp half but only tenth in touches in box & passes into box.

https://mobile.twitter.com/adjones_jour ... 1782824966

This is what we need to improve.
But for me it's as much about the movement in the box as it is about slow passing.

[Spijed]

Interesting stat here:

1st in passes in opp half but only tenth in touches in box & passes into box.

https://mobile.twitter.com/adjones_jour ... 1782824966

We seem to have no problem unlocking packed defences at least once in a match, so why is doing it a second time seemingly more difficult?

[boatshed bill]

We seem to have no problem unlocking packed defences at least once in a match, so why is doing it a second time seemingly more difficult?

we probably do it more like 3 or 4 times a game.
We also seem to be able to set up shooting chances from the edge of the box.
There are plenty of positives

[NewClaret]

This is what we need to improve.
But for me it's as much about the movement in the box as it is about slow passing.

Why did you have to mention the slow passing again boatshed… I was having a good day

That stat made me laugh though because I was walking down to get my HT pint at Stoke and I stopped at the exit to watch an attack. Steward said to me: “you can go and get in the queue, there’s a force field around the 18 yard box.”

Hadn’t really noticed that particular nuance until he mentioned it & then saw that today.

[Duffer_]

I am joint chair of the Lancashire branch of Pedants Together United in Disagreement. Simon Jordan is our patron and I am happy to offer you a free membership given your invaluable contributions to the cause.

I considered joining your organisation but I wasn't happy with the name. I would have applied had the name been:

Pedants Together in Disagreement;
Pedants United in Disagreement; or even
Pedants United Together in Disagreement.

Probably for the best as I wouldn't have been able to join, even if my application had been approved, due to my (Groucho) Marxist tendencies.

[clarethomer]

Interesting article around change of tv rights for next renewal and how Burnley are likely to be in demand.

https://www.burnleyexpress.net/sport/fo ... ts-3879332

I'm assuming this is down to the VK impact and transformation we are going through.