Sunderland vs Burnley Match Thread

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:28 pm

BTW Sunderland have a weakened team out today, including no recognised centre forward.

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:28 pm

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:27 pm
Cullen looks lost without Cork

Is he playing?

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:28 pm

Barnes offers absolutely nothing.

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:28 pm

So our most experienced/leader in midfield comes off against brum and we fall to pieces , so we leave him on the bench today .

Conroysleftfoot · Post by **Conroysleftfoot** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:28 pm

Shows The importance of Jack Cork to us.

Boss Hogg · Post by **Boss Hogg** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:28 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:22 pm
Well I can’t say I didn’t see this coming when the line up came out

This

jen1066 · Post by **jen1066** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:29 pm

expoultryboy wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:28 pm
So our most experienced/leader in midfield comes off against brum and we fall to pieces , so we leave him on the bench today .

But you know why he was on the bench, right?

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:29 pm

To be fair we are pretty average defensively every time Roberts plays. And apart from Huddersfield we haven't kept a clean sheet with Charlie in the centre (although I don't think he's done a bad job there.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:29 pm

Omg Barnes throwing himself in the floor

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:30 pm

Barnes is utterly pathetic my word

Greekclaret · Post by **Greekclaret** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:30 pm

So frustrating watching Barnes just playing for fouls all day long. Constantly dropping to the floor

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:30 pm

Barnes does the hard work then throws himself to the floor. Gets nothing. Plonker.

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:30 pm

Barnes has been the worst of a very bad bunch.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:31 pm

2 shots 2 goals v Muric

Boss Hogg · Post by **Boss Hogg** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:31 pm

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:27 pm
Cullen looks lost without Cork

This was the case in the last match

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:32 pm

Where is our dominant football gone , even simple passing has gone wayward

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:32 pm

Barnes is either not good enough anymore or unable to play in this set up, or a combination of the two. His game now seems to boil down to throwing himself to the ground trying (and failing) to win free kicks.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:32 pm

Firthy wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:25 pm
If nothing else it shows the value of certain players and those that aren't up to it.

Exactly no Cork or Jay Rod and we look dreadful, that's a major concern as neither can be expected to play 46 games over the course of the season, but when one or both are missing it really weakens us.

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:33 pm

Jen : if a player is on the bench then surely he's fit . If not he shouldn't be there .

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:33 pm

Completely asleep, referee given us nowt either

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:33 pm

I can’t get on any streams so I’ll wait to see the goals, but by the sound of it, it’s not going to do much to soften my negative views on Roberts and Muric. Vitinho seems far better on the opposite side, too.

I’m trying to give Muric time but I’m seeing far more negative than I am positive about him, week in and week out. Play it from the back, use the keeper, that’s fine but the keeper must still be able to do the basics. There’s less flaps on show at a porn convention than we see from Muric each game.

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:33 pm

I've said it since the summer, we look a totally different side without Cork. I know there are a few changes today but we're missing Cork the most. There's no replacement for him and that situation needs to be improved.

Ampth7 · Post by **Ampth7** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:34 pm

Second to everything, half asleep, ducking out of challenges…….

jen1066 · Post by **jen1066** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:34 pm

expoultryboy wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:33 pm
Jen : if a player is on the bench then surely he's fit . If not he shouldn't be there .

Not at all. Cork and Jay are fine, but they are like 96 years old. They need a rest in game time.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:34 pm

Very poor, very, very poor.

Defence useless, to a man.
Muric horrendous on the second goal.
Midfield anonymous.
Gudmundsson non-existent.
Barnes useless.
Wingers uninvolved.

Horrendous.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:34 pm

DCWat wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:33 pm
I can’t get on any streams so I’ll wait to see the goals, but by the sound of it, it’s not going to do much to soften my negative views on Roberts and Muric. Vitinho seems far better on the opposite side, too.

I’m trying to give Muric time but I’m seeing far more negative than I am positive about him, week in and week out. Play it from the back, use the keeper, that’s fine but the keeper must still be able to do the basics. There’s less flaps on show at a porn convention than we see from Muric each game.
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This has been good today.

http://thegentleclass.com/tog11/

jen1066 · Post by **jen1066** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:35 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:34 pm
Very poor, very, very poor.

Defence useless, to a man.
Muric horrendous on the second goal.
Midfield anonymous.
Gudmundsson non-existent.
Barnes useless.
Wingers uninvolved.

Horrendous.

But apart from that?

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:35 pm

jen1066 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:35 pm
But apart from that?

I didn’t go, so that’s a plus.

Dodobdobodobo · Post by **Dodobdobodobo** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:36 pm

It’s about time Phil Bird gave up and Alistair Campbell is never on again either.

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:36 pm

Surly VK has to hook jbg for Bastien

Greekclaret · Post by **Greekclaret** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:36 pm

We need Westwood back ASAP. When we rest Cork, Cullen struggles.

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:37 pm

Taylor isn’t working at CB

Roberts is a liability

I wouldn’t be sad to see either one or both go in the January window.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:37 pm

Greekclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:36 pm
We need Westwood back ASAP. When we rest Cork, Cullen struggles.

Biggest question I have is why, if we’re resting Jack Cork, is Bastien not playing? Utterly baffling - especially after we saw this exact issue against Birmingham a matter of days earlier.

jen1066 · Post by **jen1066** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:37 pm

Greekclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:36 pm
We need Westwood back ASAP. When we rest Cork, Cullen struggles.

Westwood isn't the answer.

We need a solid defensive midfielder for when Cork/Cullen are out.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:38 pm

Cooclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:37 pm
Taylor isn’t working at CB
Roberts is a liability
I wouldn’t be sad to see either one or both go in the January window.

Taylor is the only decent left back we have

Pity Kompany doesn't play with one

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:38 pm

Barnes has been an unbelievable servant for us but I never want him to play for Burnley ever again. He is not up to it.

Same with Roberts, I cannot see what anyone sees in him. Dreadful fullback

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:38 pm

Getting nothing from this ref

jen1066 · Post by **jen1066** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:38 pm

Cooclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:37 pm
Taylor isn’t working at CB

Roberts is a liability

I wouldn’t be sad to see either one or both go in the January window.

I can't be the only fan to know that Taylor has never been a CB. Never.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:39 pm

If both Jay and Jack are being rested I don't understand resting both at the same time.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:39 pm

At least 4 players being on played out of position plus Barnes. No wonder it’s poor. TGB has been great all season but his defending has been a joke today

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:39 pm

jen1066 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:37 pm
Westwood isn't the answer.

We need a solid defensive midfielder for when Cork/Cullen are out.

This.

DAVETHEVICAR · Post by **DAVETHEVICAR** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:39 pm

Perhaps the service to Barnes is shocking

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:39 pm

Need Cork on

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:39 pm

I’d take another draw now.

Greekclaret · Post by **Greekclaret** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:39 pm

jen1066 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:37 pm
Westwood isn't the answer.

We need a solid defensive midfielder for when Cork/Cullen are out.

I disagree with you. I think Westwood would excel along side Cullen when we need to rest Cork due to the schedule

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:39 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:34 pm

Thanks Buxton

I tried that and got on initially but it stops after a minute or two.

I’m on my phone so not sure if that’s making a difference.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:41 pm

jen1066 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:37 pm
Westwood isn't the answer.

We need a solid defensive midfielder for when Cork/Cullen are out.

Cork is ten times the player Cullen is

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:41 pm

Taylor looks about as much of a centre back as he would as a striker.

Get Roberts off for McNally to play alongside THB, Vitinho to right back, Taylor to left back. Get people into their actual positions.

RickyBobby · Post by **RickyBobby** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:41 pm

Need to make 3 subs at half time. Jay on and cork on at least.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:42 pm

My mind goes back to when Pope always used to concede to low shots near his body, so I’ll give Muric time.

I’m also pondering all those games we have lost in recent years with Cork not starting, unbeaten this season with Cork starts, but at least he is fit.

More worrying is all the goals we concede from crosses from our left.