Sunderland vs Burnley Match Thread

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:54 pm

jen1066 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:48 pm
We've lost, but I still want a respectable second half. As said above, ring the changes. Cork and Jay need to come on for a kick off.

Not having that we’ve lost. Get those 2 on and Dervisoglu and play 4-2-2-2.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:54 pm

BurnleyFC wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:50 pm
VK showed his naivety with the team selection today.

Really, really poor.

No doubt about it that he’s continually making mistakes playing Barnes.

Robert’s off, Vits at right back, McNally CB, Taylor LB. Halil for Barnes.

TheOriginalLongsider · Post by **TheOriginalLongsider** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:55 pm

Changes required at half time. Too many performing under par and the defence looks really nervous

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:55 pm

Tella down the middle, cork on for Barnes. The best bfc is with Vitinho at rb maatsen lb Bayer and THB in the middle. This defence is all over the place.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:55 pm

Casper wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:22 pm
Somebody try and tell me Muric is a decent keeper

Fidel might.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:55 pm

I'd be tempted to use all 5 subs at half time, it would be a toss up who to bring off though.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:55 pm

Another flat performance, played like a training exercise, zero tempo, zero anything going forward. We got away with it a few times this season because we simply have way better players than other teams, today we're getting exactly what we deserve. Where is the tempo to our play? the high press? everything is just so slow and ponderous.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:56 pm

A midfield full of lightweight midgets was always going to struggle against any half decent sides in this division

A reality check

jen1066 · Post by **jen1066** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:56 pm

I just hope VK learns from this. He's still a young manager and it's games like this that test you.

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:56 pm

Ampth7 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:52 pm
Peacock-Farrell
Vitinho H-B. McNally Taylor
Tella. Cork. Cullen. Benson
Rodriguez Dersivoglu

442, four subs please FFS!

What's Muric done wrong ????? Other than have a crap defence infront of him

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:56 pm

I’m always willing to give our players a real chance, but I’ve finally snapped today.

Muric is bloody shite at goalkeeping.

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:56 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:50 pm
McNally > Roberts
Bastien > JBG
Rodriguez > Barnes
Benson > Zaroury

But Zaroury is a world beater is he not? Changed your mind?

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:56 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:50 pm
McNally > Roberts
Bastien > JBG
Rodriguez > Barnes
Benson > Zaroury

Fingers crossed does VK have the balls

Pommieclaret · Post by **Pommieclaret** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:57 pm

Chance for wholesale changes at half time cannot be worse than that dross we have been serving up first half

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:57 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:54 pm
I guess he has his reasons, Cork on 4 bookings for starters. We would prefer he plays against Rovers wouldn't we?

Before today we had five games to play before we face Rovers so don't get your point.

Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:57 pm

Well that was a hard watch on the stream. The only reason Sunderland are winning this is that they seem to want it more, which is unforgivable.

JBG off
Barnes off

Cork on
Jay Rod on

At the very least

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:57 pm

Watching on a stream and we look so disjointed, with a distinct lack of quality throughout the team. Suspect the unbeaten run makes players think we are unbeatable. Crying out for changes-JBG and Barnes need to go from start of second half. Sadly when we play like this it emphasises the short comings of certain players. Taylor is not a centre half-we are losing and 70% of his passes are backwards. He is the obvious LB as Vitinho does not challenge attackers.We may need to risk Jay for 30 minutes and bring Bastian on for JBG

nyclaret · Post by **nyclaret** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:57 pm

If Barnes comes back on after HT I give up.

jen1066 · Post by **jen1066** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:58 pm

Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:56 pm
But Zaroury is a world beater is he not? Changed your mind?

And you now think he's awful?

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:58 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:56 pm
I’m always willing to give our players a real chance, but I’ve finally snapped today.

Muric is bloody shite at goalkeeping.

I get what you're saying but pretty dire in front of him ,pope was spoilt

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:58 pm

I don’t understand VK moving Vitinhio from right back when him and Teller work do well. Connor Roberta is dire. Put Charlie at LB.

Clive 1960 · Post by **Clive 1960** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:58 pm

Our build up play is ok if it's 0.0 but we are chasing the game at 2.0 and it's pedestrian to say the least . I don't mind losing but roll your sleeves up and show some fight .

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:59 pm

Having seen the goals again not sure why Muric is getting any blame? Played percentage for the first and was unsighted (Roberts stood in front of him) for the second

Neil · Post by **Neil** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:59 pm

Jack Cork not on the pitch = burnley a poor team.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:59 pm

IanMcL wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:55 pm
Fidel might.

Where have I mentioned muric on this thread, you prat?!

This from someone who once had a go at Lee Grant for not saving a shot that went wide!

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:00 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:54 pm
I guess he has his reasons, Cork on 4 bookings for starters. We would prefer he plays against Rovers wouldn't we?

Not playing him on 4 yellows is effectively banning him. Stupid

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:00 pm

"What's Muric done wrong ???" Is this a joke ?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:00 pm

Sorry, I think it's to do with when the bookings get wiped off... something I thought PB mentioned in commentary.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:00 pm

Considering how bad we've been defensively for the goals especially, singling out Barnes as our worst player by far seems extremely harsh

But it is entirely fair. He has been that bad. Zero contribution whatsoever

Pommieclaret · Post by **Pommieclaret** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:01 pm

Our build up play is to laboured no zip

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:01 pm

That was spectacularly bad.

Need 3 changes at half time. I think he'll make two though.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:01 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:54 pm
I guess he has his reasons, Cork on 4 bookings for starters. We would prefer he plays against Rovers wouldn't we?

I’d prefer us to play our strongest eleven, regardless of the opposition.

Plus, weren’t we told we were only going to improve as the season progressed? That half was as bad as anything.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:01 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:56 pm
What's Muric done wrong ????? Other than have a crap defence infront of him

He dived the wrong way for the first goal, like he did at Watford.
For the 2nd he let a shot in from 10 yards that was very close to him.

He just hasn't got any goalkeeper instincts in him.

jen1066 · Post by **jen1066** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:01 pm

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:00 pm
Not playing him on 4 yellows is effectively banning him. Stupid

Quite clearly rested him due to his age and the number of games being played.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:02 pm

Ziggy Stardust wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:49 pm
People pay for this? Embarrassing, should be nowhere near the mic.

My audio has just now gone very quiet. I think PB and AC are nowhere near the mic!

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:02 pm

Wish I'd stayed home. That was pitiful, and inept.
We struggle to keep the ball on the deck.
Everytime we knock it long we give the ball away.
Tella wasting his time on the wing.
Charlie Taylor can't pass to save his life.
Get caught short at the back post whenever a team breaks on us.
JBG in the middle just doesn't work.
Ash Barnes, why........

When we do shoot it's 5ft over the bar.

Trying to run through players, instead of round them.

Our performance has only been slightly better than the referee's, who has been a real homer, but that isn't why we are getting beat, it's because we have been clueless.

We have a lot of talent on the pitch, but we don't have a lot of brains. Without Jack we look lost, rudderless, we need someone with nous in January.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:02 pm

Reality check so far.

WazzaClaret · Post by **WazzaClaret** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:02 pm

Don't understand how muric is becoming a scapegoat? The entire team have been terrible. The changes have got rid of all of our balance and we need a huge second half. I'm still confident we can draw this but need vk to make the right decisions now.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:02 pm

Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:56 pm
But Zaroury is a world beater is he not? Changed your mind?

A bit embarrassing digging a young player out who has been nowhere near our worst today, but I’d expect this from you as it’s clear from your posting manner what a pathetic individual you are. We clearly need to change things up and the pace of Benson is a good alternative.

Never used the word world beater by the way, think it’s the second time you have done.

Tribesmen · Post by **Tribesmen** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:02 pm

Ok it was bad but still 45 mins to go , now get a goal and it could change things .

Sunderland have done well scored twice and are happy to sit back and let us pass around the ball in our own 3rd of the pitch .

Think positive .

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:02 pm

jen1066 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:58 pm
And you now think he's awful?

Not at all..... Its in response to a post last Saturday

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:02 pm

expoultryboy wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:00 pm
"What's Muric done wrong ???" Is this a joke ?

The goal was probably in before he saw it, had about 5 players blocking his view.

RickyBobby · Post by **RickyBobby** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:03 pm

For those who are there is anyone warming up at half time?

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:03 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:01 pm
He dived the wrong way for the first goal, like he did at Watford.
For the 2nd he let a shot in from 10 yards that was very close to him.

He just hasn't got any goalkeeper instincts in him.

Brilliant.

Raconteur · Post by **Raconteur** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:03 pm

Very poor all over the pitch today.

We need the defence that played against Swansea. Taylor seems to disjoint our build up play. When he receives the ball he still doesn't know what he is going to do with it. Beyer is so much better with his thinking and scanning of the play and is much more fluid when coming out of defence. With our new style of play this is needed. I would also play a midfielder instead of Barnes. He is holding nothing when passed the ball and just constantly loses the ball. He doesn't bring anyone into play. I think he made 1 successful pass whole half and i cannot remember him keeping possession apart from the 1 pass

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:04 pm

jen1066 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:01 pm
Quite clearly rested him due to his age and the number of games being played.

That makes far more sense. Certainly not the 4 yellows

HB Claret · Post by **HB Claret** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:04 pm

Just seen the goals (about 10 times for each one) - for the first their guy collects ball from the throw and 3 of our defenders try (and fail miserably) to tackle him. As with a lot of the goals we have conceded we get dragged out of possession. Second goal - we are out in trouble by the long ball over the top - but why did Muric not come for it ? Definitely round pegs in square holes today.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:04 pm

Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:02 pm
Not at all..... Its in response to a post last Saturday

An embarrassing post, from you, from last Saturday.

You have outdone yourself though a matter of days later, well done.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:04 pm

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:59 pm
Where have I mentioned muric on this thread, you prat?!

This from someone who once had a go at Lee Grant for not saving a shot that went wide!

First. Behave yourself. There is no need for names.
Second. I refer you to my original post, which you decided was entirely rubbish.

That concludes the answer to your question.

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:05 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:02 pm
A bit embarrassing digging a young player out who has been nowhere near our worst today, but I’d expect this from you as it’s clear from your posting manner what a pathetic individual you are. We clearly need to change things up and the pace of Benson is a good alternative.

Never used the word world beater by the way, think it’s the second time you have done.

You said we had a player who would be worth many millions, after you said he'd had one poor game and one good game. It was a dig at you not the player