Muric

[Enola Gay]

Muric is the best senior goalkeeper at the club and it's not even close.

Give Peacock-Farrell a run of six games you'll be calling for him to be dropped before the fourth one.

[burnleytom]

Just that Charlie Casper (17) is training with the first team

Bloody hell. Thought it would be they were impressed with Franchi or something. Imagine being a subscriber and paying to read that absolute whizzer of a story….

[Quickenthetempo]

If we had kept Pope and assuming VK still brought in Muric would VK have played Pope as his number one, I’m not so sure he would.

It wouldn't have been fair on a young GK or wise for a young manager.
The pressure on every mistake Muric made would be too high and questions on Kompany's judgement would happen far too early.

[roperclaret]

Sadly I don't scout enough GKs to reccomend one.

But this time last year we had an England no 2 with Welsh and N Ireland no.1s fo back up.

We have had people at the club who must have been really good GK scouts.

The Rovers keeper looks a very good one from what I have seen and all their fan praise. He won't even be on half Murics wage, so they are out there.

This time last year we were a premier league side paying upwards of 40k per week. That’s why we had Pope in the team and Hennessy on the bench

[Quickenthetempo]

This time last year we were a premier league side paying upwards of 40k per week. That’s why we had Pope in the team and Hennessy on the bench

I know, although at championship level we signed Pope and Heaton.

I was just pointing out the scouting at the club for GKs has been impressive over recent times and they probably don't need me. If they do I will happily take a wage scouting keepers.

The other keeper we were linked with was the Plymouth lad. Not sure how he's been doing.

[Clive 1960]

I'm still unsure of this guy yet but got to back him and give him is chance .

[boatshed bill]

I know, although at championship level we signed Pope and Heaton.

I was just pointing out the scouting at the club for GKs has been impressive over recent times and they probably don't need me. If they do I will happily take a wage scouting keepers.

The other keeper we were linked with was the Plymouth lad. Not sure how he's been doing.

He's doing very well, as is his club.

[Devils_Advocate]

I know, although at championship level we signed Pope and Heaton.

We signed Pope as a Premier League team and he didn't play a single league game in his first season.

[helmclaret]

A very talented lad, and one that’s at a very early stage of his career.

Integral to how we play and has contributed to at least 7 of the goals we have scored this season already.

[andyh]

I’m ok with Muric. He is a bit meh as a keeper compared to Pope or Heston… But compare him to someone like Pickford and it is a close call… and remember Pickford is England’s number 1 and above Pope in the pecking order.

[BurnleyFC]

I’m ok with Muric. He is a bit meh as a keeper compared to Pope or Heston… But compare him to someone like Pickford and it is a close call… and remember Pickford is England’s number 1 and above Pope in the pecking order.

I’m in no way Pickford’s biggest fan but he’s levels above Muric in actual goalkeeping ability.

[taio]

I’m ok with Muric. He is a bit meh as a keeper compared to Pope or Heston… But compare him to someone like Pickford and it is a close call… and remember Pickford is England’s number 1 and above Pope in the pecking order.

Pickford is way ahead of Muric by a considerable distance

[RVclaret]

Pickford is 28 now and has improved a lot, but only in the past season or so. At Muric’s age he was quite unreliable for several years but he also showed a lot of potential. Maybe that’s the point the poster was making.

[taio]

Pickford is 28 now and has improved a lot, but only in the past season or so. At Muric’s age he was quite unreliable for several years but he also showed a lot of potential. Maybe that’s the point the poster was making.

At Muric's age Pickford was sold for £30m

[Targetman]

I’m ok with Muric. He is a bit meh as a keeper compared to Pope or Heston… But compare him to someone like Pickford and it is a close call… and remember Pickford is England’s number 1 and above Pope in the pecking order.

Muric is nowhere near Pickford's standard, what a strange thing to say.

[RVclaret]

At Muric's age Pickford was sold for £30m

English tax. My point still stands though. Ramsdale is another, wobbly keeper for Bourne and Sheff, 30m to Arsenal. Very good with his feet though and now slowly improving his keeping.

[jen1066]

I wonder what Kompany thinks of Muric. We can clearly all see that VK is trying to emulate Man City and so has gone for a keeper who isn't the best, but good with his feet.

I don't see him changing that philosophy. We just accept the keeper at making saves isn't at the top of our wanted list and instead it's about his passing ability.

[helmclaret]

We are in the Championship and putting together a brand new, young, possession based team.

Just get behind him.

[RVclaret]

I wonder what Kompany thinks of Muric. We can clearly all see that VK is trying to emulate Man City and so has gone for a keeper who isn't the best, but good with his feet.

I don't see him changing that philosophy. We just accept the keeper at making saves isn't at the top of our wanted list and instead it's about his passing ability.

Yet his shot stopping data is up there as the best in the league. That’s quite surprising for someone who doesn’t make saves.

[Quickenthetempo]

We signed Pope as a Premier League team and he didn't play a single league game in his first season.

We actually signed him at half time of the last game against Charlton. We just didn't announce it until July so we could show off JGB as well.

[taio]

English tax. My point still stands though. Ramsdale is another, wobbly keeper for Bourne and Sheff, 30m to Arsenal. Very good with his feet though and now slowly improving his keeping.

I've no idea why Muric is being compared to Pickford and now Ramsdale to be honest.

[jen1066]

Yet his shot stopping data is up there as the best in the league. That’s quite surprising for someone who doesn’t make saves.

I love stats, so thanks for that. Maybe I just don't appreciate him as much as I should. Because we are so good attacking maybe his errors stand out more.

[NoFixedAbode_Claret]

Feels like he cut out the complete calamity stuff but his long passing accuracy regressed. The goals we concede he looks rooted to spot. He does not dominate his area. He hasn't made any worldie saves and the ones he does get credit for are bread and butter stuff.

[Casper]

Feels like he cut out the complete calamity stuff but his long passing accuracy regressed. The goals we concede he looks rooted to spot. He does not dominate his area. He hasn't made any worldie saves and the ones he does get credit for are bread and butter stuff.

Exactly, the save in the second half yesterday was straight at him

[KRBFC]

It's actually quite sad some of the criticism (abuse) Muric and Roberts have received, we've lost 1 game all season, we're going along nicely and both players have started the majority of those games. Fans at this point are willing these players to fail, it's pathetic. I saw fans blaming Muric for the 2nd goal Yesterday, totally biased view, it was hit hard from close in through a crowd of bodies.

All this abuse is masking the love for Dyche, what they really want to say is ''under Dyche with Pope we'd have won 1-0''. Muric has been fine overall, he's young and has all the time in the world to improve, sure he's made a couple of errors but what keeper doesn't?

fans should support the players when the team is doing well, not look to scapegoat certain individuals

[Rileybobs]

It's actually quite sad some of the criticism (abuse) Muric and Roberts have received, we've lost 1 game all season, we're going along nicely and both players have started the majority of those games. Fans at this point are willing these players to fail, it's pathetic. I saw fans blaming Muric for the 2nd goal Yesterday, totally biased view, it was hit hard from close in through a crowd of bodies.

All this abuse is masking the love for Dyche, what they really want to say is ''under Dyche with Pope we'd have won 1-0''. Muric has been fine overall, he's young and has all the time in the world to improve, sure he's made a couple of errors but what keeper doesn't?

fans should support the players when the team is doing well, not look to scapegoat certain individuals

You mean in the same way you support Ashley Barnes?

Fans should be allowed to give praise and criticism to our players as they see fit. That’s what this forum is for. We are all adults, and as long as players aren’t being given abuse then fans have every right to honestly assess their performances.

[basil6345789]

Muric is ok but it's just that sometimes he reminds me of "get hold of 'em, Mellor".

[KRBFC]

You mean in the same way you support Ashley Barnes?

Fans should be allowed to give praise and criticism to our players as they see fit. That’s what this forum is for. We are all adults, and as long as players aren’t being given abuse then fans have every right to honestly assess their performances.

I think there's a difference between objectively analysing a players performance each game and targeting the same player or 2 every game, deeply looking to criticise. I was the first to say I thought the arrival of Benson was underwhelming based on what I'd see in Belgium, I gave him a 10 score Yesterday. I was the one last season saying I'd give Barnes a new deal and he should retire here. I also said I thought Rodriguez wasn't the answer this season, hasn't stopped me from praising his performances so far.

I also think some of the abuse on social media for Muric and Roberts is way over the top and out of line. Everytime we concede the same people jump instantly to ''Roberts'/Muric's fault''. The difference is being objective, I have no issue with fans criticising Muric when he makes a mistake providing they praise him when he does well, for Roberts and Muric that isn't the case.

[Steve1956]

Muric is ok but it's just that sometimes he reminds me of "get hold of 'em, Mellor".

That's a perfect comparison.

[Top Claret]

That's a perfect comparison.

Anyone under 60 won't have a clue what he's on about

[Steve1956]

Anyone under 60 won't have a clue what he's on about

Dosent matter the average age on here is at least 80.

[Rileybobs]

I think there's a difference between objectively analysing a players performance each game and targeting the same player or 2 every game, deeply looking to criticise. I was the first to say I thought the arrival of Benson was underwhelming based on what I'd see in Belgium, I gave him a 10 score Yesterday. I was the one last season saying I'd give Barnes a new deal and he should retire here. I also said I thought Rodriguez wasn't the answer this season, hasn't stopped me from praising his performances so far.

I also think some of the abuse on social media for Muric and Roberts is way over the top and out of line. Everytime we concede the same people jump instantly to ''Roberts'/Muric's fault''. The difference is being objective, I have no issue with fans criticising Muric when he makes a mistake providing they praise him when he does well, for Roberts and Muric that isn't the case.

With all respect, that’s a load of waffle. You say that players shouldn’t be criticised, yet you criticise some of our players. So it seems like you only think people should be able to criticise players if they’re players you think are worthy of criticism.

I haven’t seen abuse on other social media, so I can only go off what I read on here where I haven’t seen any abuse. It seems a number of people are critical of Muric’s performances, and I think that’s perfectly fair as he’s let in a number of very soft goals and generally flapped at pretty much every cross he’s come for.

The team is doing fantastic, and that’s great, but it doesn’t mean that we can’t critique the players who maybe aren’t doing as well. Unless you want a board of happy clappers?

[Devils_Advocate]

Pope stuck on his line and allows a near post flick and the ball to bounce in his 6 yard box. Im sure Muric got hammered for the exact same thing happening to him at the Turf a few games back

[RVclaret]

Pope stuck on his line and allows a near post flick and the ball to bounce in his 6 yard box. Im sure Muric got hammered for the exact same thing happening to him at the Turf a few games back

Absolutely right

Oh and the French number 1 has made two shocking bits of keeping in this game to gift 2 goals.

[jen1066]

Pope stuck on his line and allows a near post flick and the ball to bounce in his 6 yard box. Im sure Muric got hammered for the exact same thing happening to him at the Turf a few games back

Basically, in your view, nobody should be allowed an opinion. That's the bottom line.

[Rileybobs]

Absolutely right

Oh and the French number 1 has made two shocking bits of keeping in this game to gift 2 goals.

What’s the logic here? That because other goalkeepers make mistakes we shouldn’t be allowed to point out when our goalkeeper does?

[Steve1956]

Basically, in your view, nobody should be allowed an opinion. That's the bottom line.

Oh.....the irony

[taio]

Absolutely right

Oh and the French number 1 has made two shocking bits of keeping in this game to gift 2 goals.

It's hardly a surprise that football fans will be more concerned about mistakes from their own players than those of players from other clubs and in different leagues.

[Devils_Advocate]

Basically, in your view, nobody should be allowed an opinion. That's the bottom line.

Nope just pointing out that Muric got blamed by a lot of people for the goal Bristol City scored. Interested to see how many are as quick to blame Pope for a similar goal.

I argued it wasn't Murics fault just as I wouldnt blame Pope for the Spurs goal. I think im pretty consistent in judging things on their merits where others are influenced by their own bias and pre-conceptions

[RVclaret]

What’s the logic here? That because other goalkeepers make mistakes we shouldn’t be allowed to point out when our goalkeeper does?

No just funny that even top keepers (many on here say Pope is one of the best in the world) make mistakes, yet when ours doesn’t even make a mistake, he gets criticised, called total crap and apparently flaps at every cross that comes his way. My goodness he was even criticised for making a solid one on one save by yourself last week.

[RVclaret]

It's hardly a surprise that football fans will be more concerned about mistakes from their own players than those of players from other clubs and in different leagues.

Missing the point, which is unlike you.

[KRBFC]

With all respect, that’s a load of waffle. You say that players shouldn’t be criticised, yet you criticise some of our players. So it seems like you only think people should be able to criticise players if they’re players you think are worthy of criticism.

''The difference is being objective, I have no issue with fans criticising Muric when he makes a mistake providing they praise him when he does well, for Roberts and Muric that isn't the case.''

[Rileybobs]

No just funny that even top keepers (many on here say Pope is one of the best in the world) make mistakes, yet when ours doesn’t even make a mistake, he gets criticised, called total crap and apparently flaps at every cross that comes his way. My goodness he was even criticised for making a solid one on one save by yourself last week.

You’re turning into a bit of a parody, RV.

Of course top keepers make mistakes, that’s obvious - although I don’t think Pope made a mistake for Spurs’ goal did he?

I haven’t seen Muric being described as total crap but I’ll take your word for it. He has flapped at the majority of crosses he’s come to collect, I’m not sure how that can even be debated. His cross collecting against Birmingham was a horror show and you’d have to be seriously blinkered to think otherwise.

And I didn’t criticise Muric for making a one v one save did I? You know this yet you try to misrepresent what I said which is very disingenuous of you.

[Rileybobs]

''The difference is being objective, I have no issue with fans criticising Muric when he makes a mistake providing they praise him when he does well, for Roberts and Muric that isn't the case.''

That may be the case with some posters, I’m not sure. But I think the majority are equally able to give praise and criticism where it’s due.

And I must say, some of this is extremely rich coming from you, and I think you probably know that.

[taio]

Missing the point, which is unlike you.

How am I missing the point? You seem unhappy that some of our fans criticise Muric when he makes a mistake but don't do the same when another keeper does similar. Why would they have anywhere near the same feelings or need to highlight when they don't have any connection with the club or the league.

[Devils_Advocate]

Of course top keepers make mistakes, that’s obvious - although I don’t think Pope made a mistake for Spurs’ goal did he?

No but Muric got blamed for the Bristol City goal which was pretty much the same as the Spurs goal. The issue I see is that fans are quick to blame Muric and reluctant to give him credit which is pretty much the opposite of how they treated Pope

Not suggesting Muric is anywhere near as good as Pope but the way he is treated by a lot of fans isnt very fair or balnced

[RVclaret]

You’re turning into a bit of a parody, RV.

Of course top keepers make mistakes, that’s obvious - although I don’t think Pope made a mistake for Spurs’ goal did he?

I haven’t seen Muric being described as total crap but I’ll take your word for it. He has flapped at the majority of crosses he’s come to collect, I’m not sure how that can even be debated. His cross collecting against Birmingham was a horror show and you’d have to be seriously blinkered to think otherwise.

And I didn’t criticise Muric for making a one v one save did I? You know this yet you try to misrepresent what I said which is very disingenuous of you.

As DA said, Muric got hammered on here for pretty much the same thing that just happened with Pope. Neither were keeper errors imo but when it was Muric, it was.

He was poor at Birmingham and I marked him as such, but I think it’s also blinkered to say he’s been like that in every game, he hasn’t. It’s fair to say it’s been a very mixed bag in terms of commanding his area.

I’ve been providing underlying data which supports the fact his shot stopping is rated as one of the top in the league, I admit data doesn’t tell you the full picture, but it’s a striking contrast to him ‘not being able to make a save’. Unsurprisingly, no one bothers with the data posts myself and others make.

And yes you suggested it was poor keeping to be in the position he was in. Therefore you were criticising his keeping which actually led to a fine save.

[Rileybobs]

No but Muric got blamed for the Bristol City goal which was pretty much the same as the Spurs goal. The issue I see is that fans are quick to blame Muric and reluctant to give him credit which is pretty much the opposite of how they treated Pope

Not suggesting Muric is anywhere near as good as Pope but the way he is treated by a lot of fans isnt very fair or balnced

I genuinely can’t remember Muric being blamed for Bristol City’s goal, I thought the defence generally copped for that one.

Pope got criticised quite regularly if I’m not mistaken. His kicking was atrocious and I have been very critical of it. But one thing about Pope was that he very very rarely let in a soft goal, and very rarely missed a cross. Obviously the two keepers aren’t comparable in terms of quality, but it’s no surprise that one gets more criticism than the other.

[taio]

No but Muric got blamed for the Bristol City goal which was pretty much the same as the Spurs goal. The issue I see is that fans are quick to blame Muric and reluctant to give him credit which is pretty much the opposite of how they treated Pope

Not suggesting Muric is anywhere near as good as Pope but the way he is treated by a lot of fans isnt very fair or balnced

On the player ratings thread for the game against Bristol City most posters gave Muric 7 and nobody less than 6 and there were some 8s.

[KRBFC]

That may be the case with some posters, I’m not sure. But I think the majority are equally able to give praise and criticism where it’s due.

And I must say, some of this is extremely rich coming from you, and I think you probably know that.

I can safely say I've always remained objective when it comes to players. Zero bias when it comes to my opinion on whether a player has played good/bad. I have never done the scapegoat thing.