Muric

[NewClaret]

For a big bloke he should be more physical and command his box a lot better. He allows himself to get blocked in and bullied especially from set plays on a regular basis. It's a position that worries me and has done all season to be perfectly honest.

For a big bloke he should be more physical and command his box a lot better. He allows himself to get blocked in and bullied especially from set plays on a regular basis. It's a position that worries me and has done all season to be perfectly honest.
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I think Muric has the potential to be the best keeper we’ve had at Burnley. But there’s also clearly some areas to develop in his game to get anywhere near that level. Commandoing his box and positioning particularly.

We’ve been lucky in recent years to have some brilliant, world class keepers that can command their box. But they’ve also been lucky to have brilliant defenders in front of them and the two work together.

I know we have a keeper coach but from what I’ve seen he does a lot of work on their work with the ball. If I were Pace I’d be begging Kompany to bring Mercer back to work on the areas mentioned above because if he nailed them as well as Pope, we have a world beater.

Plenty of time. Pope is 30 and Muric is 23 or whatever.

And worth noting that this didn’t cost us today. It was what was in front of him that cost us the 3 pts.

[Steve1956]

I have a friend who is a City fan......he says along with lots of other City fans that he is an absolute shocker,and can't believe how he ever got near their club,he also said when he was on loan at Forest I think it was they couldn't wait to send him back.
Give BPF a chance ( I know he's not much better) see what happens up to January then sign someone decent ....because Muric isn't a decent keeper,people saying he's young and he will improve...I'm not having that....we need a new No1 and quickly.

[RVclaret]

I have a friend who is a City fan......he says along with lots of other City fans that he is an absolute shocker,and can't believe how he ever got near their club,he also said when he was on loan at Forest I think it was they couldn't wait to send him back.
Give BPF a chance ( I know he's not much better) see what happens up to January then sign someone decent ....because Muric isn't a decent keeper,people saying he's young and he will improve...I'm not having that....we need a new No1 and quickly.

Your not having that he’s young (well, that’s factual) and won’t improve (how have you decided that)? Aside from that, your City mate rating Muric’s 2 appearances as an 18 year old seems a bit daft.

[NewClaret]

Steve, there’s more chance of me pulling Scarlett Johansson than us signing a new keeper in Jan.

[boatshed bill]

For a big bloke he should be more physical and command his box a lot better. He allows himself to get blocked in and bullied especially from set plays on a regular basis. It's a position that worries me and has done all season to be perfectly honest.

I think Muric has the potential to be the best keeper we’ve had at Burnley. But there’s also clearly some areas to develop in his game to get anywhere near that level. Commandoing his box and positioning particularly.

We’ve been lucky in recent years to have some brilliant, world class keepers that can command their box. But they’ve also been lucky to have brilliant defenders in front of them and the two work together.

I know we have a keeper coach but from what I’ve seen he does a lot of work on their work with the ball. If I were Pace I’d be begging Kompany to bring Mercer back to work on the areas mentioned above because if he nailed them as well as Pope, we have a world beater.

Plenty of time. Pope is 30 and Muric is 23 or whatever.

And worth noting that this didn’t cost us today. It was what was in front of him that cost us the 3 pts.
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I agree with lots of this.
We have a 24 year old goalkeeper behind 4 defenders aged 23,20,22,20 all new to the club, they will get done sometimes

But i doubt Mercer would have any real impact on this.

[Steve1956]

Your not having that he’s young (well, that’s factual) and won’t improve (how have you decided that)? Aside from that, your City mate rating Muric’s 2 appearances as an 18 year old seems a bit daft.

Whatever you know best...... as always

[Steve1956]

Steve, there’s more chance of me pulling Scarlett Johansson than us signing a new keeper in Jan.

BPF it is then

[Flying Without Ings]

No issues with his shot stopping but he's a big bulky lad so he needs to throw his weight around more and be more aggressive when coming for crosses. Pope had a much slimmer frame but always commanded his box. He was bad today but some of the posts on here are OTT, but this is the uptheclarets message-board after all.

We paid around 3m for him I think - don't expect the perfect keeper for that amount of money.

[RVclaret]

Whatever you know best...... as always

You’re the one saying he’s not a decent keeper cos your City friend (who could also be clueless about football) said he’s crap from 2 appearances as an 18 year old. Come back when you’ve got something fruitful.

[Steve1956]

You’re the one saying he’s not a decent keeper cos your City friend (who could also be clueless about football) said he’s crap from 2 appearances as an 18 year old. Come back when you’ve got something fruitful.

I'm in dispair...I've just been rinsed by a 14 year old font of all knowledge football expert...my life will never be the same,do me a favour and F**k off will ya.

[DCWat]

Should we be promoted, and I think we probably will be, we will need serious upgrades across the back and in goal, if we are to play in this way.

[Steve1956]

Should we be promoted, and I think we probably will be, we will need serious upgrades across the back and in goal, if we are to play in this way.

A bit like we have had to do this season then a nearly complete new squad you mean?

[RVclaret]

I'm in dispair...I've just been rinsed by a 14 year old font of all knowledge football expert...my life will never be the same,do me a favour and F**k off will ya.

Rattled

[AshevilleNCClaret]

While Muric nor our defense really well today, the thing that I noticed was that NO ONE was shouting/organizing the back line. After like 387th consecutive corner, SOMEONE, needs to stand up/shout/encourage the squad. That was Tarks. That was Mee. We are a young squad, 3 of the back 4 are players on loan. I think not only will VK work on our set piece positioning, he will instill that squad defense. I think today will be the outlier and not norm.

[Cooclaret]

For a big bloke he should be more physical and command his box a lot better. He allows himself to get blocked in and bullied especially from set plays on a regular basis. It's a position that worries me and has done all season to be perfectly honest.

I think Muric has the potential to be the best keeper we’ve had at Burnley. But there’s also clearly some areas to develop in his game to get anywhere near that level. Commandoing his box and positioning particularly.

We’ve been lucky in recent years to have some brilliant, world class keepers that can command their box. But they’ve also been lucky to have brilliant defenders in front of them and the two work together.

I know we have a keeper coach but from what I’ve seen he does a lot of work on their work with the ball. If I were Pace I’d be begging Kompany to bring Mercer back to work on the areas mentioned above because if he nailed them as well as Pope, we have a world beater.

Plenty of time. Pope is 30 and Muric is 23 or whatever.

And worth noting that this didn’t cost us today. It was what was in front of him that cost us the 3 pts.
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(Potential to be the) Best keeper we’ve had at Burnley?

You’re crazier that that pieinpushysomething or what bloke.

[NewClaret]

(Potential to be the) Best keeper we’ve had at Burnley?

You’re crazier that that pieinpushysomething or what bloke.

He is certainly the best I’ve ever seen with his feet. He’s coolness personified. And since ALL the best teams in the world want a keeper who can play, that’s a great asset.

He’s also a very decent shot stopper when we’ll positioned (which isn’t always).

Then there’s his size and stature. He has the physical attributes but does need to learn to use them better.

I’m still 100% convinced we’ll end up selling him for more than we sold Heaton or Pope for. But that is allowing for what you’d expect to be a normal level of improvement with age and experience in those areas he needs to develop.

Someone posted that Heaton was playing reserve football & Pope non league at his age (not sure if that’s true, just from memory), but it illustrates that he has a long time to develop and fulfil his potential.

[NewClaret]

While Muric nor our defense really well today, the thing that I noticed was that NO ONE was shouting/organizing the back line. After like 387th consecutive corner, SOMEONE, needs to stand up/shout/encourage the squad. That was Tarks. That was Mee. We are a young squad, 3 of the back 4 are players on loan. I think not only will VK work on our set piece positioning, he will instill that squad defense. I think today will be the outlier and not norm.

Does feel like we need a leader at the back.

[Ampth7]

And "anyone who's played football at any level" knows that works both ways.

Agree, but if your 6ft 6 keeper can’t win at least one of the many crosses he should have dealt with today, you are just asking for more of the same from your opponents. I totally agree with the sentiment that our outfield players could and should be doing much better, but we weren’t exactly blessed with height in our team today and let’s face it, Muric was awful under the high ball all game long

[boatshed bill]

Agree, but if your 6ft 6 keeper can’t win at least one of the many crosses he should have dealt with today, you are just asking for more of the same from your opponents. I totally agree with the sentiment that our outfield players could and should be doing much better, but we weren’t exactly blessed with height in our team today and let’s face it, Muric was awful under the high ball all game long

Yes, he isn't great with them.
But it is a collective issue, that's how they need to deal with it.
There's a bit of ball-watching back there, and no shouters.

[RVclaret]

Agree, but if your 6ft 6 keeper can’t win at least one of the many crosses he should have dealt with today, you are just asking for more of the same from your opponents. I totally agree with the sentiment that our outfield players could and should be doing much better, but we weren’t exactly blessed with height in our team today and let’s face it, Muric was awful under the high ball all game long

While he can and should do better, I don’t think we are helping by letting their big guys stand on him without any player helping out. Happened several times today where Egan was literally stood on him with no Burnley player nearby. From one throw in Egan was actually nipping Muric. When it happened with Pope we used to have players battling with their attacker to ensure Pope had almost a free run to claim them.

[shulgin]

I watched it on TV with a mate who is a neutral. He pointed out the lack of vocal command which I picked up on. He is a very quiet keeper who doesn't seem to bollock or encourage the line in front.

[KRBFC]

The same people still blaming Muric after every goal, it's been the same all season long. Roberts is lucky he didn't start today otherwise he'd have been in for a slaughtering too.

There's no doubt he needs to improve in certain areas but he's a 23 year old goalkeeper who cost peanuts, what exactly do you expect? with a young inexperienced new defence infront of him to boot. The whole team collectively needs to improve at defending set pieces, not just Muric. That will come with practice and experience, trial and error, small tweaks here and there.

Those going over the top with the ''worst keeper ever'' or ''bring in BPF'' are just showing their true colours, Premier League cling on fans or clueless about football. Anyone with half a brain knows you're not getting the final product primed Gianluigi Buffon at less than £3m whilst in the 2nd tier. Work in progress (like the team) and requires patience.

[Steve1956]

The same people still blaming Muric after every goal, it's been the same all season long. Roberts is lucky he didn't start today otherwise he'd have been in for a slaughtering too.

There's no doubt he needs to improve in certain areas but he's a 23 year old goalkeeper who cost peanuts, what exactly do you expect? with a young inexperienced new defence infront of him to boot. The whole team collectively needs to improve at defending set pieces, not just Muric. That will come with practice and experience, trial and error, small tweaks here and there.

Those going over the top with the ''worst keeper ever'' or ''bring in BPF'' are just showing their true colours, Premier League cling on fans or clueless about football. Anyone with half a brain knows you're not getting the final product primed Gianluigi Buffon at less than £3m whilst in the 2nd tier. Work in progress (like the team) and requires patience.

WTF

[boatshed bill]

WTF

Looks an OK post to me.

[Quicknick]

Steve, there’s more chance of me pulling Scarlett Johansson than us signing a new keeper in Jan.

Would you want to do?

[Steve1956]

Looks an OK post to me.

Great I'm so pleased for you.

[Quicknick]

The same people still blaming Muric after every goal, it's been the same all season long. Roberts is lucky he didn't start today otherwise he'd have been in for a slaughtering too.

There's no doubt he needs to improve in certain areas but he's a 23 year old goalkeeper who cost peanuts, what exactly do you expect? with a young inexperienced new defence infront of him to boot. The whole team collectively needs to improve at defending set pieces, not just Muric. That will come with practice and experience, trial and error, small tweaks here and there.

Those going over the top with the ''worst keeper ever'' or ''bring in BPF'' are just showing their true colours, Premier League cling on fans or clueless about football. Anyone with half a brain knows you're not getting the final product primed Gianluigi Buffon at less than £3m whilst in the 2nd tier. Work in progress (like the team) and requires patience.

How much did Muric cost?

[boatshed bill]

Great I'm so pleased for you.

You don't have to be.

[DavidEyresLeftFoot]

While he can and should do better, I don’t think we are helping by letting their big guys stand on him without any player helping out. Happened several times today where Egan was literally stood on him with no Burnley player nearby. From one throw in Egan was actually nipping Muric. When it happened with Pope we used to have players battling with their attacker to ensure Pope had almost a free run to claim them.

I’d noticed that’s been the case all season. Every team has put a man infront to block him and we haven’t tasked any defenders with dealing with that. The referee didn’t give any protection today either. Although there were some crosses he got nowhere near even without being impeded. We also didn’t bother putting anyone on the posts at corners.

[RVclaret]

How much did Muric cost?

Initial 2.5m

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... c-24566842

[JimmyRobbo]

There's always one isn't there?

I'm not the only one who thinks Muric is hopeless clearly. Reminds me of Kiraly. Remember him?

Fair enough. He has his faults.

I just don't want to jump on someone when our system sets you up with very little chance of making saves. When the ball breaks, the opposition come in great numbers. Having said that, you'd expect him to be more dominant. He's not as good as what we've been spoiled by in recent years.

I thought our defence was very poor today. A bigger problem than him.

[Ampth7]

While he can and should do better, I don’t think we are helping by letting their big guys stand on him without any player helping out. Happened several times today where Egan was literally stood on him with no Burnley player nearby. From one throw in Egan was actually nipping Muric. When it happened with Pope we used to have players battling with their attacker to ensure Pope had almost a free run to claim them.

Fair point, well made

[Ampth7]

Yes, he isn't great with them.
But it is a collective issue, that's how they need to deal with it.
There's a bit of ball-watching back there, and no shouters.

Yes, also a fair point that. It was alarming, especially in the second half, at just how many times we lost the aerial duel in our penalty area!

[Quicknick]

Initial 2.5m

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... c-24566842

Not exactly peanuts, then.

[Flying Without Ings]

Not exactly peanuts, then.

If he was a proven all-round goalkeeper he would be costing x5 the price, I think.

The fact City inserted a buy back clause suggests they see something in him too.

[daveisaclaret]

Huge overreaction I think. The crosses where he wanted to come but didn't have the strength were quite bad but he's a pretty good goalie. He has got a rick in him but he's 1) young and 2) moved to the Championship so expectations really should be set accordingly.

[Casper]

Has he ever caught a ball direct from a corner ?

[daveisaclaret]

Has he ever caught a ball direct from a corner ?

Yes

[Casper]

Yes

Against who ?

[daveisaclaret]

Against who ?

Do you honestly believe he has never caught the ball directly from a corner?

[Burnleyareback2]

FFS, we are top of the league, lost 2 in 20, played less than 72hrs ago, key players missing and faced one of the best teams in the league away.

Apart from that we have exceeded all expectations this season with a full new squad, new manager in a new league.

Todays result will benefit us more than it cost us- get behind the lads.

[Stantheman]

There is no doubting that muric wasn't protected enough but apart from a Couple of good saves it was a shocking goalkeeping display.to me there were several tv close ups on muric and he looked like a rabbit in headlights

[IanMcL]

Muric inadequacy as a goalkeeper has led to the jitters in the rest.

He is just a decent very large footballer, not good enough to play outfield, so went in goal. He is clueless as a keeper and it will cost us dearly.

Very good with his feet but no keeping attributes, other than athletic, so will get to save some shots.

[warksclaret]

His performance is not a one off. He has played 20 games now and in the majority of these he has had some very dodgy moments. It may not appear to matter now for some, as we sit top of the league, however get close to season end when one mistake makes the significant difference of lets say us not getting into the top two final positions, then that will cost us dearly. The other impact, which you cant measure,is what it does to the confidence of our defenders. Its hard enough clearing corner, but when you know your GK is going to fluff a punch or catch then you really are in trouble

[NRC]

If I were Muric I’d be saying to THB and Beyer “we’re all pretty good with our feet, but we need to stay after school and work on being a unit”

[Enola Gay]

Muric inadequacy as a goalkeeper has led to the jitters in the rest.

He is just a decent very large footballer, not good enough to play outfield, so went in goal. He is clueless as a keeper and it will cost us dearly.

Very good with his feet but no keeping attributes, other than athletic, so will get to save some shots.

I've read some mindblowingly cretinous takes over the years on both versions of this board but that one is all-time Top Ten.

[Lancasterclaret]

Muric inadequacy as a goalkeeper has led to the jitters in the rest.

He is just a decent very large footballer, not good enough to play outfield, so went in goal. He is clueless as a keeper and it will cost us dearly.

Very good with his feet but no keeping attributes, other than athletic, so will get to save some shots.

I hope when I get old I can keep it together long enough not to unravel every day on a public messageboard

[NewClaret]

Muric inadequacy as a goalkeeper has led to the jitters in the rest.

He is just a decent very large footballer, not good enough to play outfield, so went in goal. He is clueless as a keeper and it will cost us dearly.

Very good with his feet but no keeping attributes, other than athletic, so will get to save some shots.

Just watched the goals back. Honestly don’t think there was a thing he could do about any of them. What went on in front of him was the issue, mixed in with some bad luck (ricochets, balls landing unfavourably, etc).

[Lancasterclaret]

For the avoidance of doubt, Muric was very poor today on the crosses, but pretty faultless on shot stopping and his distribution was fine

I don't know if it was his hesitancy that led to our team having a 2nd half to forget, but I do know that all eleven of them will be itching to put it right and they deserve a lot more support for what they have done than what I've seen so far on here

[Healeywoodclaret]

I have a friend who is a City fan......he says along with lots of other City fans that he is an absolute shocker,and can't believe how he ever got near their club,he also said when he was on loan at Forest I think it was they couldn't wait to send him back.
Give BPF a chance ( I know he's not much better) see what happens up to January then sign someone decent ....because Muric isn't a decent keeper,people saying he's young and he will improve...I'm not having that....we need a new No1 and quickly.

Muric couldn't wait to get off the pitch today. I never rated him from the first time I saw him. He was injured recently and he looks to me like he's worried he's going to hurt himself! Lad of his size should be getting stuck in, not looking terrified most of the time.