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Re: Police after Boro

Post by wilks_bfc » Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:32 am

Quite a few mentions of the “white horse” here in the replies

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Anonymous Claret » Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:48 am

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:16 am
Probably the stupid bitch that we encountered on a white horse.

After me and my son walked off the cricket field stand we found the entrance at the top of the walkway next to the cricket pitch almost blocked by a coach, after squeezing past the coach we started to walk down towards St Mary's church and then to Aldi carpark where my daughter picks us up, whilst walking past the coaches there was a few teens trying to mouth off towards the Burnley fans between the coaches but instead of policing them onto the coaches the police especially the ones on the horses started to physically push the Burnley fans down the street.

I was behind a lad in his 30's when the woman on the white horse blocked our path on the pavement and screamed like she was on helium keep moving, I shouted up to her how the **** do you expect us to move with a massive horse in my way, she couldn't control this horse and it was jumping all over and she almost come off the back.

The lad infront of me shouted up to her control that mutt of an horse unlike me he didn't swear, she then screamed at him don't you ******* speak to me like that, she then called over another female police officer on a horse and they both charged at him walking down the street, the both crushed him between the two horse's and squashed him into the wall next to the traffic lights.

He fell to the floor and three male police officers jumped on him, he wasn't resisting at all but whilst one held him down the other two repeatedly punched him in the face, I stepped forward and was grabbed by the fattest copper I've ever seen, I told him to take his hand off me and his replay was I'll do what I ******* want, I said this is out of order and these two shouldn't be punching him in the face, fat copper said he's punched a police horse (He didn't I was behind him all the time), my reply was even if he had you don't have a right to punch him back whilst held down, the replay from the two on the ground was from the first one we've not punch him we slapped him, the second one said whilst laughing no it was a closed fist punch not a slap get it right.

Unbelievable lies and actions from the police today, my son filmed a lot of this and along with that and a complaint from me was sent by email to the lancashire constabulary
If you or your son has any footage of police brutality, put it on here, Twitter, Facebook and any other social media platforms. It is very important that this brutality is exposed because otherwise they will keep doing it and even worse some people may be wrongly convicted of offences such as police assault etc. There is absolutely no excuse for you not to share this film everywhere you can find a platform.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Anonymous Claret » Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:51 am

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:16 am
Probably the stupid bitch that we encountered on a white horse.

After me and my son walked off the cricket field stand we found the entrance at the top of the walkway next to the cricket pitch almost blocked by a coach, after squeezing past the coach we started to walk down towards St Mary's church and then to Aldi carpark where my daughter picks us up, whilst walking past the coaches there was a few teens trying to mouth off towards the Burnley fans between the coaches but instead of policing them onto the coaches the police especially the ones on the horses started to physically push the Burnley fans down the street.

I was behind a lad in his 30's when the woman on the white horse blocked our path on the pavement and screamed like she was on helium keep moving, I shouted up to her how the **** do you expect us to move with a massive horse in my way, she couldn't control this horse and it was jumping all over and she almost come off the back.

The lad infront of me shouted up to her control that mutt of an horse unlike me he didn't swear, she then screamed at him don't you ******* speak to me like that, she then called over another female police officer on a horse and they both charged at him walking down the street, the both crushed him between the two horse's and squashed him into the wall next to the traffic lights.

He fell to the floor and three male police officers jumped on him, he wasn't resisting at all but whilst one held him down the other two repeatedly punched him in the face, I stepped forward and was grabbed by the fattest copper I've ever seen, I told him to take his hand off me and his replay was I'll do what I ******* want, I said this is out of order and these two shouldn't be punching him in the face, fat copper said he's punched a police horse (He didn't I was behind him all the time), my reply was even if he had you don't have a right to punch him back whilst held down, the replay from the two on the ground was from the first one we've not punch him we slapped him, the second one said whilst laughing no it was a closed fist punch not a slap get it right.

Unbelievable lies and actions from the police today, my son filmed a lot of this and along with that and a complaint from me was sent by email to the lancashire constabulary
If you or your son has any footage of police brutality, put it on here, Twitter, Facebook and any other social media platforms. It is very important that this brutality is exposed because otherwise they will keep doing it and even worse some people may be wrongly convicted of offences such as police assault etc. There is absolutely no excuse for you not to share this film everywhere you can find a platform.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:53 pm

Anonymous Claret wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:51 am
If you or your son has any footage of police brutality, put it on here, Twitter, Facebook and any other social media platforms. It is very important that this brutality is exposed because otherwise they will keep doing it and even worse some people may be wrongly convicted of offences such as police assault etc. There is absolutely no excuse for you not to share this film everywhere you can find a platform.
I have a very good reason not to upload this evidence onto social media, it's gone to the correct people it needs to, at this moment I don't want to currupt anything that could come from this over the coming days, but if there's no joy from this then it will be uploaded to has many places we can possibly do it.

Also after watching it back this morning another thing I forgotten I saw was the police lady on the white horse after she saw about four lads trying to stop the two officers from punching the lad waved her hand in the air and at lease six more police officers on horses galloped towards the situation and anyone in the way got hit by a horse and a few got knocked over, absolutely ridiculous over reaction and very dangerous
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Re: Police after Boro

Post by ClaretPope » Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:57 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:20 pm
Not true. There was every reason for the police to get involved.
It was sheer stupidity to allow a coach to park at the top of Ormerod Yard. It restricted movement into Belvedere Road and forced contact with away fans who were trying to board the coach. The trigger for the modern day cavalry was half way down Belvedere Road as away fans close to a minibus were goading home fans which quickly escalated into a bit of fisticuffs. The two police horses came up from the Wellington and ploughed into the crowd. My wife and I swiftly moved to the other pavement and got out of the way. I can’t help thinking it could all have been avoided if police on foot had been in the area.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by claret54 » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:12 pm

The police on horses are a danger to all supporters. Police like a fight. Disgraceful. I nearly got stepped by horse after Newcastle game last season. Police totally over the top. And completely unaware of the danger they pose to law-abiding supporters. Police on horses should not be allowed.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by AlargeClaret » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:15 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:53 pm
I have a very good reason not to upload this evidence onto social media, it's gone to the correct people it needs to, at this moment I don't want to currupt anything that could come from this over the coming days, but if there's no joy from this then it will be uploaded to has many places we can possibly do it.

Also after watching it back this morning another thing I forgotten I saw was the police lady on the white horse after she saw about four lads trying to stop the two officers from punching the lad waved her hand in the air and at lease six more police officers on horses galloped towards the situation and anyone in the way got hit by a horse and a few got knocked over, absolutely ridiculous over reaction and very dangerous
If you’ve got real footage of police actually clearly fully punching someone hard in the face , while prostrate on the ground ,along with audio you’ve got absolute headline gold which will result in a prosecution. However if you’ve got a copper “ batting away” a guys hands or “shoulder punching” to restrain him or guy showing serious resistance in a affray type situation it’s not worth a jot .

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Goodclaret » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:33 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:16 am
Probably the stupid bitch that we encountered on a white horse.

After me and my son walked off the cricket field stand we found the entrance at the top of the walkway next to the cricket pitch almost blocked by a coach, after squeezing past the coach we started to walk down towards St Mary's church and then to Aldi carpark where my daughter picks us up, whilst walking past the coaches there was a few teens trying to mouth off towards the Burnley fans between the coaches but instead of policing them onto the coaches the police especially the ones on the horses started to physically push the Burnley fans down the street.

I was behind a lad in his 30's when the woman on the white horse blocked our path on the pavement and screamed like she was on helium keep moving, I shouted up to her how the **** do you expect us to move with a massive horse in my way, she couldn't control this horse and it was jumping all over and she almost come off the back.

The lad infront of me shouted up to her control that mutt of an horse unlike me he didn't swear, she then screamed at him don't you ******* speak to me like that, she then called over another female police officer on a horse and they both charged at him walking down the street, the both crushed him between the two horse's and squashed him into the wall next to the traffic lights.

He fell to the floor and three male police officers jumped on him, he wasn't resisting at all but whilst one held him down the other two repeatedly punched him in the face, I stepped forward and was grabbed by the fattest copper I've ever seen, I told him to take his hand off me and his replay was I'll do what I ******* want, I said this is out of order and these two shouldn't be punching him in the face, fat copper said he's punched a police horse (He didn't I was behind him all the time), my reply was even if he had you don't have a right to punch him back whilst held down, the replay from the two on the ground was from the first one we've not punch him we slapped him, the second one said whilst laughing no it was a closed fist punch not a slap get it right.

Unbelievable lies and actions from the police today, my son filmed a lot of this and along with that and a complaint from me was sent by email to the lancashire constabulary
You must have been right next to me as we were leaving Agent. My son saw exactly what you saw with the treatment of the fan who was knocked over then attacked. He was literally walking, hands in his pockets trying to go across the junction down Todmorden Road when he was knocked over by the horse. Totally and utterly unprovoked.

There were no issues at all until the police and their horses got involved. Yes, a few chants between two sets of fans but no threat of violence. The violence was created by the police. When innocent people, including young kids, begin to be threatened by ridiculously, overly heavy handed policing like that you then create a very hostile and dangerous atmosphere. I've watched Burnley for 35 years all over the country and that is the first time I have ever blamed the police for inciting trouble. They were out of control and extremely "pumped" for some strange reason.

As for the comments about "why don't people just go home"; that is exactly what I was attempting to do. I always stay to applaud the players off the pitch so I am usually included in the last groups to leave the North upper. Every home game I head to the Vintage Claret for a quick drink before catching my bus home. We were walking past the buses, continually moving and on the pavement opposite going with the flow of the crowd. The only time we stopped was when the police lady on the horse "drove" her horse in to the crowd. It then became very fraught as, to be expected, people were angry at the way the situation had suddenly blown up. People were scared. Having a horse, not in control, only a few feet away was horrible. If the police hadn't got involved everyone would have been quickly past the Boro coaches and, safely, on our way.

As, if you are on Twitter, you will see all the posts saying exactly the same thing replying to my tweet (quoted above). I will be putting my complaint in today, using the link provided earlier. I suggest anyone else who was involved do the same. It may fall on deaf ears as I'm sure the police will have had time to create their matching stories by now pointing all blame at the "thugs" but I feel it's important our voices are heard.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Big Vinny K » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:38 pm

What a depressing thread.
Hardly any wonder people don’t want to join the police anymore.
They can’t win with some people whatever they do.
Try and integrate more with the communities and get criticised for being mamby pamby and going soft.
Try and deal with protestors in a calm manner trying not to fuel trouble and get criticised for not being tough enough.
Deal with coke fuelled football hooligans in a ‘tougher’ way and get criticised.

Burnley like most football clubs has a section of hooligans who want to cause trouble every week. Clubs like Sunderland (where there was loads of trouble) and Boro are happy to oblige. The police have their own intelligence and know there is going to be trouble at these games so they plan and agree how they are going to deal with it so I’m not surprised they are tougher and adopt the zero tolerance approach. Unfortunately sometimes this means that there could be the isolated case where the police do act inappropriately and those incidents of reported should be dealt with.
But this remains fundamentally a problem in football and when the police have to deal with violence and hooligans on regular occasions as they have to with football then incidents like this are inevitable. Just like if they were having to deal with riots on a daily or weekly basis you are going to get police individuals who go a step to far in trying to control highly charged situations.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Clovius Boofus » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:39 pm

Get your phones out the next time you see this kind of 'policing' and stick it all over social media.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by GrahamBranchsPerm » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:42 pm

Feel compelled to comment.

Reads like some guy has been well and truly wronged here.

Should all get behind him and make statements as I bet, as things stand, he is being framed / charged with assault or something to scare him into dropping the matter.

All those who saw it, even though not your battle to fight, should offer to support this fellow Claret.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by ArmchairDetective » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:45 pm

I feel really annoyed by the belittling narrow minded replies on this thread stating that fans should just 'stay out of the way, go home or stay on the other side of the road'.

As others on this thread have described, when there are out of control police on out of control horses it doesn't matter which side of the road you're on or where you're going. The police were running their horses up and down the middle of the road.

The posters on here that know me in person know that I have never looked for trouble at a football match. Yet I was a couple of yards away from getting clattered by the out of control white horse that others have mentioned, unfortunately the man a couple of yards away couldn't get out of the way.

When I started this thread I wasn't aware that there was trouble before and after the match. The police for the Blackburn game were exemplary. Yesterday they were dangerous and only added to the problems.

I'm furious that other posters on here assume that other innocent fans must have been asking for it in some way.
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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Goodclaret » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:51 pm

Big Vinny K wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:38 pm
What a depressing thread.
Hardly any wonder people don’t want to join the police anymore.
They can’t win with some people whatever they do.
Try and integrate more with the communities and get criticised for being mamby pamby and going soft.
Try and deal with protestors in a calm manner trying not to fuel trouble and get criticised for not being tough enough.
Deal with coke fuelled football hooligans in a ‘tougher’ way and get criticised.

Burnley like most football clubs has a section of hooligans who want to cause trouble every week. Clubs like Sunderland (where there was loads of trouble) and Boro are happy to oblige. The police have their own intelligence and know there is going to be trouble at these games so they plan and agree how they are going to deal with it so I’m not surprised they are tougher and adopt the zero tolerance approach. Unfortunately sometimes this means that there could be the isolated case where the police do act inappropriately and those incidents of reported should be dealt with.
But this remains fundamentally a problem in football and when the police have to deal with violence and hooligans on regular occasions as they have to with football then incidents like this are inevitable. Just like if they were having to deal with riots on a daily or weekly basis you are going to get police individuals who go a step to far in trying to control highly charged situations.
I tend to agree with most of that and, as a law abiding citizen, have always ensured I cause no trouble with the police. This is why I have highlighted the difference in yesterdays policing. I understand it's a very tough job but I feel I had every right to point out the violence they created. I'm the first to applaud good work that 99% of them do. I've had many a chat at away days with local police and they have been fantastic. Same with most at Burnley games too. They have a responsibility to try and protect the public and, from my close on views yesterday, they did entirely the opposite.

Oh, and by the way, I'm 49 and have never touched coke in my life so, maybe, not the best to throw us all in to one category.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:54 pm

Sounds like this was handled really badly and I hope any police officers over stepping the line are caught and punished. But Agent’s post unintentionally highlighted one of the issues police face. He admitted using aggressive and foul language to a police officer and by his account so did the ‘innocent’ passer-by. This is not to diminish the resulting actions of the police, but why provoke or inflame the situation?

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Nori1958 » Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:04 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:54 pm
Sounds like this was handled really badly and I hope any police officers over stepping the line are caught and punished. But Agent’s post unintentionally highlighted one of the issues police face. He admitted using aggressive and foul language to a police officer and by his account so did the ‘innocent’ passer-by. This is not to diminish the resulting actions of the police, but why provoke or inflame the situation?
Starting his post off calling someone a stupid bitch, sort of gives you an insight to his attitude. Hopefully his complaint to the police wasn't worded in the same vein.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Anonymous Claret » Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:08 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2022 12:53 pm
I have a very good reason not to upload this evidence onto social media, it's gone to the correct people it needs to, at this moment I don't want to currupt anything that could come from this over the coming days, but if there's no joy from this then it will be uploaded to has many places we can possibly do it.

Also after watching it back this morning another thing I forgotten I saw was the police lady on the white horse after she saw about four lads trying to stop the two officers from punching the lad waved her hand in the air and at lease six more police officers on horses galloped towards the situation and anyone in the way got hit by a horse and a few got knocked over, absolutely ridiculous over reaction and very dangerous
That's a fair enough response. Good luck with taking it further. Keep us all updated if that is possible of any developments. Call me an old cynic but I just expect a cover-up if Lancs Police are given half a chance.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Flying Without Ings » Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:14 pm

ArmchairDetective wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:45 pm
I feel really annoyed by the belittling narrow minded replies on this thread stating that fans should just 'stay out of the way, go home or stay on the other side of the road'.

As others on this thread have described, when there are out of control police on out of control horses it doesn't matter which side of the road you're on or where you're going. The police were running their horses up and down the middle of the road.

The posters on here that know me in person know that I have never looked for trouble at a football match. Yet I was a couple of yards away from getting clattered by the out of control white horse that others have mentioned, unfortunately the man a couple of yards away couldn't get out of the way.

When I started this thread I wasn't aware that there was trouble before and after the match. The police for the Blackburn game were exemplary. Yesterday they were dangerous and only added to the problems.

I'm furious that other posters on here assume that other innocent fans must have been asking for it in some way.
Burnley fans are public enemy no.1 on here. Any time fans who go in the Cricketfield stand are mentioned, they are all labelled as 'hooligans, coke heads, alcoholics' etc.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by clarethomer » Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:18 pm

ArmchairDetective wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:45 pm
I feel really annoyed by the belittling narrow minded replies on this thread stating that fans should just 'stay out of the way, go home or stay on the other side of the road'.

As others on this thread have described, when there are out of control police on out of control horses it doesn't matter which side of the road you're on or where you're going. The police were running their horses up and down the middle of the road.

The posters on here that know me in person know that I have never looked for trouble at a football match. Yet I was a couple of yards away from getting clattered by the out of control white horse that others have mentioned, unfortunately the man a couple of yards away couldn't get out of the way.

When I started this thread I wasn't aware that there was trouble before and after the match. The police for the Blackburn game were exemplary. Yesterday they were dangerous and only added to the problems.

I'm furious that other posters on here assume that other innocent fans must have been asking for it in some way.
Person caught up in it - I couldn't avoid being caught up in it.

Person avoiding being caught up in it - I did this to avoid it so therefore others could have avoided it too.

Just have to accept that whether it be bad timing or circumstances that there is probably an element of truth to both. I

Nobody being narrow minded but just simply giving you their views as they experienced it yesterday.
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Re: Police after Boro

Post by ArmchairDetective » Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:30 pm

clarethomer wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:18 pm
Person caught up in it - I couldn't avoid being caught up in it.

Person avoiding being caught up in it - I did this to avoid it so therefore others could have avoided it too.

Just have to accept that whether it be bad timing or circumstances that there is probably an element of truth to both. I

Nobody being narrow minded but just simply giving you their views as they experienced it yesterday.
That's fair.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:37 pm

Big Vinny K wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:38 pm
What a depressing thread.
Hardly any wonder people don’t want to join the police anymore.
They can’t win with some people whatever they do.
Try and integrate more with the communities and get criticised for being mamby pamby and going soft.
Try and deal with protestors in a calm manner trying not to fuel trouble and get criticised for not being tough enough.
Deal with coke fuelled football hooligans in a ‘tougher’ way and get criticised.

Burnley like most football clubs has a section of hooligans who want to cause trouble every week. Clubs like Sunderland (where there was loads of trouble) and Boro are happy to oblige. The police have their own intelligence and know there is going to be trouble at these games so they plan and agree how they are going to deal with it so I’m not surprised they are tougher and adopt the zero tolerance approach. Unfortunately sometimes this means that there could be the isolated case where the police do act inappropriately and those incidents of reported should be dealt with.
But this remains fundamentally a problem in football and when the police have to deal with violence and hooligans on regular occasions as they have to with football then incidents like this are inevitable. Just like if they were having to deal with riots on a daily or weekly basis you are going to get police individuals who go a step to far in trying to control highly charged situations.
The most stupid post I've ever read, children at the age of about ten years old being charged at by several horses not coke fuelled football hooligans, you obviously wasn't there

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Big Vinny K » Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:38 pm

Goodclaret wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:51 pm
I tend to agree with most of that and, as a law abiding citizen, have always ensured I cause no trouble with the police. This is why I have highlighted the difference in yesterdays policing. I understand it's a very tough job but I feel I had every right to point out the violence they created. I'm the first to applaud good work that 99% of them do. I've had many a chat at away days with local police and they have been fantastic. Same with most at Burnley games too. They have a responsibility to try and protect the public and, from my close on views yesterday, they did entirely the opposite.

Oh, and by the way, I'm 49 and have never touched coke in my life so, maybe, not the best to throw us all in to one category.
I’m not suggesting that at all. Apologies if it read that way.
And neither am I suggesting that the police did not do anything wrong yesterday. I have no reason whatsoever to doubt what you are saying and I fully agree that any individual police who acted in this way should be dealt with formally.

The reference to fuelled hooligans is that Burnley (and lots of clubs) have a growing cohort of young hooligans who are causing and looking for trouble most weeks.
We know from when hooliganism was rife back in the 80s and 90s that this causes a situation at football grounds. This situation becomes a regular one for the police to have to deal with. In them trying to stop violence between rival teams hooligans it inevitably ends up that the violence and antagonism turns against the police. This becomes a highly charged environment and if police are having to deal with this on a regular basis then this is a lot of stress to cope with and some individual police will end up cracking and stepping over the line. Or they step over the line with the force they treat the crowds with and indiscriminately deal with innocent fans as it sounds like they did yesterday.
It is wrong for police to act in this way but it’s a lot more complex than saying they are trained to deal with this kind of situation in the right way. Their resources like everyone’s are stretched and they cannot employ people at matches to deal with growing hooliganism who are all experienced officers in dealing with this situation.
We saw this in the 1980s all the time. I like many was at Stockport and nobody is ever going to try and justify what the police did. And policing has come a long way since then I hope. But it is a situation when hooliganism becomes more regular and common at football games that is difficult to deal with and I think it’s inevitable (but in no way justifiable) that you will see an increasing number of incidents like yesterday where individual police let themselves down.
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Re: Police after Boro

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:44 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:04 pm
Starting his post off calling someone a stupid bitch, sort of gives you an insight to his attitude. Hopefully his complaint to the police wasn't worded in the same vein.
This female Police officer on the white horse was a "stupid bitch" this was my attitude at the time and still is and she was the cause of all the trouble after the game.

I have four relatives in the force and one is a very high ranking officer at the police headquarters at Hutton, my view on this officer was also echoed by this relative also they used the words reckless and out of control
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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Big Vinny K » Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:44 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:37 pm
The most stupid post I've ever read, children at the age of about ten years old being charged at by several horses not coke fuelled football hooligans, you obviously wasn't there
I’m not saying that. Again apologies if that’s what you think.
I was not there and have no reason to doubt what you said.
My post above hopefully explains it a bit better than my first attempt that basically the increasing amount of violence at games is causing the police to adopt a tougher attitude at games and it just becomes a more difficult situation for the police to deal with week in week out.
Not trying to justify what some of the police did yesterday at all - clearly it’s not. Just trying to say that I think it’s inevitable that there are going to be incidents like this and the police as a whole are in a no win situation.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:32 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:37 pm
The most stupid post I've ever read, children at the age of about ten years old being charged at by several horses not coke fuelled football hooligans, you obviously wasn't there
As someone walking through this with 2 young grandchildren, I can confirm lots of people were just trying to avoid this, but the women on the horses looked like they were either struggling to control them, or couldn't give a damn about law abiding passers by.
So much of this could have been avoided by men on the ground.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by TsarBomba » Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:41 pm

I don’t doubt the accounts put forward by those aggrieved at Police actions yesterday. I’ve seen it plenty enough myself. As a young lad I was part of a group that was sent flying by a Police horse whilst walking down Yorkshire St.

The way we police football games, up and down the country, is nothing short of abysmal.

And it’s a real shame because on a day to day basis we do a superb job at holding the line, and yet when it comes to policing football games, there’s a minority of officers that think they can behave how they want.
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Re: Police after Boro

Post by AmbleClaret » Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:15 pm

TsarBomba wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:41 pm
I don’t doubt the accounts put forward by those aggrieved at Police actions yesterday. I’ve seen it plenty enough myself. As a young lad I was part of a group that was sent flying by a Police horse whilst walking down Yorkshire St.

The way we police football games, up and down the country, is nothing short of abysmal.

And it’s a real shame because on a day to day basis we do a superb job at holding the line, and yet when it comes to policing football games, there’s a minority of officers that think they can behave how they want.
Mate in the police on duty yesterday admitted that a certain number of them were making things worse.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Somethingfishy » Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:43 pm

I remember a game against Preston probably about 20 years ago now. Very similar situation to the one Agent Claret talks of yesterday.
Heading down Belvedere Road and a Burnley fan and a Preston fan kicking lumps out of each other in the middle of the road. The vast majority giving them a wide berth and just wanting to get out of the way.
Along comes a clown on a horse charging at the fans already doing their best to avoid the situation. Screaming "move along" whilst actively blocking the way. His horse rearing up on its hind legs and families worried for their safety. He'd lost control of himself and the horse. Many of us had to go through the small gardens in front of the houses on Belvedere Road just to get out of the way..all the time the two fans just keep on throwing punches.
So whilst I missed what happened yesterday by a few minutes I can very well believe what happened in his account was probably correct.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by 4midable » Sun Dec 18, 2022 5:06 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:11 pm
Defund the police
Imagine if a group turned on them
One day itl happen

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by SmudgetheClaret » Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:43 pm

Not moving the coach at the end of the CF exit was a school boy error but further down for some reason gaps between coaches of about 3/4 metres were left open and the angry ones all eyeballed each other and the dance began ! Ps for what it’s worth those on horseback were out of control at time even dangerous…

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Bosscat » Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:11 pm

Have some posts been deleted from here 🤔 was sure I had seen a post by our old mate "El Abogado" 🤔

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Burnley1989 » Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:32 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:44 pm
This female Police officer on the white horse was a "stupid bitch" this was my attitude at the time and still is and she was the cause of all the trouble after the game.

I have four relatives in the force and one is a very high ranking officer at the police headquarters at Hutton, my view on this officer was also echoed by this relative also they used the words reckless and out of control
She was at the bottom end of town as I was waiting for the bus near Marks & Spencer’s and she was still at it to a group of kids aged 15 max, language was colourful. My daughter loves horses so she was interested as she approached and it was embarrassing listening to her screaming.

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Post by basil6345789 » Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:02 pm

When our daughter was young she said "when I grow up I want to be a police woman but I want to be mounted"

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by ClaretPete001 » Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:06 pm

It did seem quite ridiculous - two horses squeezing between two coaches aimed at fans standing on the pavement albeit to be fair I didn't see what led to the situation arising.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Bosscat » Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:07 pm

Police Horse ... The only animal with its Genitals found on its back
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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Paddy1882 » Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:27 pm

While waiting for my friend who was sat in a different stand I was talking to two older Boro fans having a fag before getting on their coach. All 3 of us said along the same lines she’s far too emotional to operate a dangerous if not deadly weapon at a sporting event. Completely lost her head as she proceeded to use the back end of her horse to barge people who were merely trying to cross the road. Should never police a sporting event again especially on horse back.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Jamesy » Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:24 pm

I posted earlier in this thread about people just behaving themselves, however the central theme now appears to be this rogue or inexperienced policewoman on a horse. It would be hoped that once the mounted police had returned to Parker Lane with the horses, one or two of her colleagues would have had a word with her along the lines of “just what the f@ck were you doing back there?”.
If the ones on here who have got good footage of her actions forward them to Lancashire Constabulary I am sure someone high up will be very concerned about the way she and some of her colleagues conducted themselves on Saturday and hopefully take any appropriate action.
I have been following the clarets since the mid 1960’s and have seen lots of scenes of violence in the vicinity of Turf Moor on match days, especially in the seventies and early eighties. On the whole I would say that mounted police have been very effective in keeping things under control when there have been flashpoints and serious disorder. Additionally, it cannot be easy being a police officer when certain groups and individuals are intent on causing trouble.
Could those who forward footage please keep us all in the loop regarding any responses they get if any from Lancashire Constabulary or the Police Complaints Committee regarding the policing on Saturday.
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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:51 pm

basil6345789 wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:02 pm
When our daughter was young she said "when I grow up I want to be a police woman but I want to be mounted"
I can't deny that it did make me laugh, but I'm seriously checking for an offside flag here.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Mon Dec 19, 2022 9:48 am

Jamesy wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:24 pm
I posted earlier in this thread about people just behaving themselves, however the central theme now appears to be this rogue or inexperienced policewoman on a horse. It would be hoped that once the mounted police had returned to Parker Lane with the horses, one or two of her colleagues would have had a word with her along the lines of “just what the f@ck were you doing back there?”.
A lot of the mounted Police come from the Preston area

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Nori1958 » Mon Dec 19, 2022 10:06 am

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 9:48 am
A lot of the mounted Police come from the Preston area
Stables are at Hutton, but officers join from all over the county.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Zlatan » Mon Dec 19, 2022 10:08 am

I’m feeling quite disheartened by this thread especially after the success of the policing and stewarding of the Rovers game last month.
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Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Dec 19, 2022 10:19 am

The away game at Preston was Policed in a friendly manner.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Herts Clarets » Mon Dec 19, 2022 10:21 am

Nori1958 wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 10:06 am
Stables are at Hutton, but officers join from all over the county.
Well they wouldn't have them in Blackburn for the safety of the horses....

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Jamesy » Mon Dec 19, 2022 10:34 am

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 9:48 am
A lot of the mounted Police come from the Preston area
They still ride the horses back to the rear of Burnley police station though to load them back into the horse lorries.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Nori1958 » Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:00 am

Zlatan wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 10:08 am
I’m feeling quite disheartened by this thread especially after the success of the policing and stewarding of the Rovers game last month.
I wouldn't let the possible actions of one officer change your view

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by claptrappers_union » Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:06 am

Thing is, there’s far too many of these ‘one’ officers.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Beagle » Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:17 am

Nori1958 wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:00 am
I wouldn't let the possible actions of one officer change your view
Sounds like several officers behaved disgracefully on Saturday. Hardly a shock is it- thick, arrogant coppers abuse their powers to football fans. I’ve seen it at dozens of games. Of course it’s not representative of all officers at football grounds, but we can’t pretend it’s only a one off thing, either.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by daveisaclaret » Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:17 am

It's very, very naive to think that every officer working the match on Saturday won't be making a report supporting, defending or denying the actions of the "one officer" in question.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Nori1958 » Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:43 am

Beagle wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:17 am
Sounds like several officers behaved disgracefully on Saturday. Hardly a shock is it- thick, arrogant coppers abuse their powers to football fans. I’ve seen it at dozens of games. Of course it’s not representative of all officers at football grounds, but we can’t pretend it’s only a one off thing, either.
The way you describe the police, I doubt you have a balanced view, so best to leave it.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Andreshotboots » Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:20 pm

There's an abundance of CCTV cameras around the stadium so this incident would have clearly been picked up.

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Re: Police after Boro

Post by Stanbill05 » Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:07 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:43 am
The way you describe the police, I doubt you have a balanced view, so best to leave it.
He literally said it wasn't representative of all officers, how much balance do you want?

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