Weghorst to… Man United?

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:11 pm

Seems very fanciful even for the Twitter loons . Though hope he does well anywhere, as we need a good fee ,though he was mainly awful for us .
It’s a top fee and good riddance we need though ,not misty eyed whimsy about “ what he’d be like in this team “

eastcoastclaret · Post by **eastcoastclaret** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:11 pm

Firthy wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:02 pm
Can they loan him out without our consent? He's still pur player at the end of the day.

You would hope not. I would image he would have to be recalled which would bring an end to any agreement with them.

I wouldn't be surprised though, if we had to pay them to end the loan deal early.

MancunianClaret · Post by **MancunianClaret** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:12 pm

How does this work if true? UTD to negotiate with us, not Besiktas right?

Swizzlestick · Post by **Swizzlestick** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:12 pm

He makes sense as a decent, short term squad option for United. Despite what some on here would have you think, he has plenty of ability. I said the other week I’d have him back here in a breath. This should hopefully be a boost in terms of value - if he puts in a decent stint, it’ll appreciate markedly.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:13 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:07 pm
Who Vegas?

Mercato, Athletic, GFFN etc etc. All decent sources, nothing from Tavolieri or Romano yet though

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:13 pm

equinox wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:06 pm
They signed Ighalo not long ago and Weghorst is a better player than him.

Weghorst is a good, well respected player you know, people need to see beyond their utter disbelief that someone didn't want to play in the Championship, which let's be honest is a terrible standard.

He had a few nice touches here and there, playing for a manager who didn't want to use him properly it must be said, and properly ran himself into the ground against Everton at home, but other than that he didn't really do much more for us in the second half of the season than Chris Wood did for us in the first.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:13 pm

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:52 pm
I’d want a loan in return.

We'd end up with their current Neil Wood.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:14 pm

https://theathletic.com/4066909/2023/01 ... -transfer/

Now being reported by the Athletic.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:16 pm

Andy Jones reporting it makes it pretty much certain.

edit: certain in the sense the talks have been had, not that any deal is yet done, I should add.

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:17 pm

Spiral wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:16 pm
Andy Jones reporting it makes it pretty much certain.

Other locals as well

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:17 pm

Spiral wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:16 pm
Andy Jones reporting it makes it pretty much certain.

How many twitter followers does he have?

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:19 pm

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:17 pm
How many twitter followers does he have?

6791, blue check mark, reliable etc

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:19 pm

Besiktas would have to agree to break the deal and considering he's doing decently there I'd be surprised if they would.

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:20 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:13 pm
We'd end up with their current Neil Wood.

Don’t, I’m still traumatised by that generation

MancunianClaret · Post by **MancunianClaret** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:21 pm

Reliable source

https://twitter.com/adjones_journo/stat ... 5009433600

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:21 pm

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:17 pm
How many twitter followers does he have?

If there’s anyone in Burnley journalism you don’t doubt it’s AJ

Hurstwood_Claret · Post by **Hurstwood_Claret** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:22 pm

Wait...
Who loaning him out? Us or Beskitas?

Can a loan club loan a loanee out to another club?

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:22 pm

KefkaClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:19 pm
Besiktas would have to agree to break the deal and considering he's doing decently there I'd be surprised if they would.

We'd basically be compensating them, so the calculation would be something like: any extra over the 10m euros Besiktas were to pay that we believe we can can squeeze out of UTD in loan fees and buy obligations over and above what we would need to give to Besiktas in compensation for terminating the contract we've signed with them.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:24 pm

Hurstwood_Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:22 pm
Wait...
Who loaning him out? Us or Beskitas?

Can a loan club loan a loanee out to another club?

We recall, compensate Besiktas, then loan him to UTD. He isn't Besiktas's to loan anywhere, his registration is with Burnley so only we can sell or loan him anywhere.

MancunianClaret · Post by **MancunianClaret** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:25 pm

Spiral wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:22 pm
We'd basically be compensating them, so the calculation would be something like: any extra over the 10m euros Besiktas were to pay that we believe we can can squeeze out of UTD in loan fees and buy obligations over and above what we would need to give to Besiktas in compensation for terminating the contract we've signed with them.

Explain like I'm five years old please

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:26 pm

KefkaClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:19 pm
Besiktas would have to agree to break the deal and considering he's doing decently there I'd be surprised if they would.

Why would he wave goodbye if it wasn't already sorted?

redcloud203 · Post by **redcloud203** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:27 pm

https://twitter.com/i/status/1611792519288999936

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:30 pm

MancunianClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:25 pm
Explain like I'm five years old please

Besiktas were going to pay 10m euros in the summer. If UTD ask to loan him from us, we'd need to recall him from Besiktas. I'm totally speculating, but it would seem reasonable to me that for us to tear up that contract with Besiktas they'd be entitled to compensation, if not for the recall then certainly for ending the buy-agreement. So say (totally hypothetical figure) we compensate Besiktas £2m euros. If we can get a buy clause of, say, 15m euros from UTD then we get 15m minus the 2m paid to Besiktas, so 13m, which is 3m more than we would have got from the original deal. But I'm making assumptions all over the place, namely that UTD want him in the summer, and not just until the end of the season.

DanH90 · Post by **DanH90** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:31 pm

I remember last season saying he was a good player playing in a bad system. He was never a target man, but because he’s over 6ft 2 Dyche insisted on playing him like that!

There were so many on here last season saying they didn’t rate him…just shows how clueless a lot of football fans are.

simonclaret · Post by **simonclaret** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:31 pm

equinox wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:06 pm
They signed Ighalo not long ago and Weghorst is a better player than him.

Weghorst is a good, well respected player you know, people need to see beyond their utter disbelief that someone didn't want to play in the Championship, which let's be honest is a terrible standard.

I'd completely forgotten about Ighalo!

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:33 pm

Bear in mind ten Hag will know a fair bit about him.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:33 pm

https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/stat ... _Kq6vpscYQ

Fabrizio Romano has his say on it

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:35 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:33 pm
https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/stat ... _Kq6vpscYQ

Fabrizio Romano has his say on it

Hmm, same buy clause as Besiktas. Maybe we squeeze out a loan fee from UTD that covers any compensation to Besiktas?

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:35 pm

Based on our precarious position when he signed, I would have thought he and his agent would have inserted a relegation release clause into his contract at the time
Another possible complication ?

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:39 pm

How much did we pay for him originally?

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:40 pm

DCWat wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:39 pm
How much did we pay for him originally?

12m ish was reported at the time

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:44 pm

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:17 pm
How many twitter followers does he have?

got nothing much to do with how many but who follows

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:44 pm

He's similar in so many ways (except overall ability lol) to Edin Dzeko, and that might work at UTD under ETH, but at City Pep couldn't wait to move him on, and given we're like City 2.0 I'm not sure he fits in to how we play now. We could do with a more fluid forward, like a Burnley-tier Firmino.

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:44 pm

Sell him for 20 M to United asap

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:48 pm

Spiral wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:44 pm
We could do with a more fluid forward, like a Burnley-tier Firmino.

You mean a player better than Firmino

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:48 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:33 pm
https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/stat ... _Kq6vpscYQ

Fabrizio Romano has his say on it

Am I the only one who thinks 10m in today's market for a player with his ability seems cheap?

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:48 pm

It’s also being reported on Sky.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:50 pm

No Ney Never wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:48 pm
Am I the only one who thinks 10m in today's market for a player with his ability seems cheap?

I’m wondering if it’s more a case of a beer for both parties sort of deal. We recoup the majority of the fee (perhaps a bit more than with loan fees?) and we all move on?

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:51 pm

Or it is just a ploy to break the beskitas deal and get him back in our squad

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:52 pm

No Ney Never wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:48 pm
Am I the only one who thinks 10m in today's market for a player with his ability seems cheap?

Age and demand playing a big part, I think. We don't want him, nobody in the PL wanted him, only Turkey wanted him at the time, and he's not getting any younger. If we can get our money back we can breathe a sigh of relief, because he's contracted for a few more years and he'll add very little compared with how that money could be spent elsewhere.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:53 pm

Seems to me Besiktas can't afford to pay the transfer fee at the end of the loan we agreed, so he is going elsewhere.

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:53 pm

Sell him to Man utd and use the money on the Coventry lad

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:55 pm

I doubt we’ve even payed for him yet ourselves, shift him on and move the debt to Utd
Everyone’s a winner

MDWat · Post by **MDWat** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:02 pm

It’ll only be a loan to Man Utd if it comes off, it’s in the written press that Man Utd will not sanction any permanent transfer this window.

If we can get a mandatory obligation to buy for, say, £10m, then that would look to be a pretty decent deal for us.

Besiktas’s clause to buy him is an option, not an obligation. I’m sure we’re only looking at a deal which is going to help us one way or another - bigger loan fee, obligation to buy or an option on a Man Utd youngster, for example.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:07 pm

I’d love this to happen, with or without any fee.

His only “crime” was in an interview for his cultural straight-forwardness to not dress up that he could move to a nation’s leading league in order to preserve his World Cup interests.

Mismanaged, misunderstood by our own claret-spectacled bigots, and an amazing opportunity for him to give those of you who gave him crap the opportunity to rub it back in your faces. And I include Roberts in that too.

As a select few have said, he would murder the Jay-Rod/Barnes role in this Kompany team

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:08 pm

MDWat wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:02 pm
Besiktas’s clause to buy him is an option, not an obligation.

Well spotted, MDWat. Makes this deal make more sense.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:09 pm

I wouldn’t necessarily include an option to buy.

He’ll still only be 30 in May/June and a good spell at United will see his value rise above £10m.

Aclaret · Post by **Aclaret** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:14 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:53 pm
Sell him to Man utd and use the money on the Coventry lad

The Coventry lad got a tap in today but I thought struggled to make an impact today....against Wrexham.

what_no_pies · Post by **what_no_pies** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:16 pm

Looked superb when we pkayex on the ground for him for a few games but i'm wary of his character.

Might be nothing but it was notable how none of his Besiktas team mates came to celebrate or 'say goodbye' with him in the linked goal celebration.

Not worth the risk bringing him back into our camp in my view.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:18 pm

Absolute win/win this if it happens. Gets him fully up to speed with English football just in time for next season - and maximises our chances of getting a good fee for him if he isn't to be a Burnley player next season.

I reckon he'd do well in this system next season if he's with us.