Weghorst to… Man United?

[wrj20]

John Cofie?

[Quicknick]

John Cofie?

Just looked at Cofie's career. Did nothing.

[Duffer_]

Interesting results so far and this is without encouraging any Clarets to vote

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[Commy]

Doesn't he suddenly become smaller when the ball is played in? Man Utd fans will be in for a shock as they are all over Twitter saying he will be great with the crosses coming in.

[Ric_C]

Surely Besiktas can't ask for more than the actual loan fee as compensation? are there rules about that?

[AGENT_CLARET]

Waldron?
Willie Morgan?

Waldron technically was released by Burnley, so was without a club until Man utd picked him up, he played 3 games before going to Sunderland

[AGENT_CLARET]

Surely Besiktas can't ask for more than the actual loan fee as compensation? are there rules about that?

I love how they want 40/50% of the transfer fee if we sell Weghorst our player, but on the other hand they want to give back Deli Alli and pay nothing

[clarethomer]

Surely there has to be some advantage in this deal for us - sorry if I have missed a key update on this btw as not had time to read fully.

We must be keen to sell to UTD because of either or a combination of the following;

- Man Utd have offered us more money than we would have got at the end of the season?
- Weghorst sale was only guaranteed if we didn't return to premier league.
- VK doesn't see him fitting the mould for our PL campaign if we were successful.

If we are putting in effort to offload him to UTD it would suggest that we are doing it to protect ourselves and because it is worth our effort/time.

Doesn't really matter to me what the reason is but let's hope it gets sorted one way or another.

[1882Clarets1882]

Really hope this works out. The unexpected financial boost just adds to the all round feel good factor around the club right now !

[steve1264b]

Besiktas have the whip hand here, they have already paid for 12 months, they can make Wout sit down until June if they want.

They will want the loan fee plus compo for losing their centre forward ie what if they missed out on champs league?

8 million has been mentioned. We will obviously ask Utd to pay that plus our loan fee. Itwouldnt surprise me if Besiktas get more than us.

[RVclaret]

https://twitter.com/skysportsnews/statu ... 4pwaU23QAA

Besiktas have released a statement

[arise_sir_charge]

Besiktas have the whip hand here, they have already paid for 12 months, they can make Wout sit down until June if they want.

They will want the loan fee plus compo for losing their centre forward ie what if they missed out on champs league?

8 million has been mentioned. We will obviously ask Utd to pay that plus our loan fee. Itwouldnt surprise me if Besiktas get more than us.

Not sure Besiktas can sell our player.

The person who holds the cards is Wout. If he wants to go it will happen whether Besiktas like it or not.

[agreenwood]

Becoming tedious is this.

Burnley should issue a statement saying:

“Unless there’s a substantial benefit to Burnley Football Club, you can all just **** off”.

[steve1264b]

They cant, but they can stop the deal.

They will want the loan fee plus compo. They will make more money than they paid out.

Wout obviously wants to go which plays into Besiktas hands, we have obviously agreed a deal with Utd so the only outstanding payment is to Besiktas.

[Clovius Boofus]

We won't have agreed a deal with anyone until all parties are aligned.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Part of me hopes Besiktas don't play ball.

Good luck getting a tune out of him when in his head he has already left

[MancunianClaret]

Part of me hopes Besiktas don't play ball.

Good luck getting a tune out of him when in his head he has already left

Could be disastrous to his resale value in Summer. We're better off getting rid of him now if we can.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Besiktas have the whip hand here, they have already paid for 12 months, they can make Wout sit down until June if they want.

They will want the loan fee plus compo for losing their centre forward ie what if they missed out on champs league?

8 million has been mentioned. We will obviously ask Utd to pay that plus our loan fee. Itwouldnt surprise me if Besiktas get more than us.

Don't talk daft, if this is the case we leave him there until June, why would we lose money when we don't need to, leave him with them sulking

[Stayingup]

Becoming tedious is this.

Burnley should issue a statement saying:

“Unless there’s a substantial benefit to Burnley Football Club, you can all just **** off”.

Yes such as if you want him on loan for the remainder of the seaaon and it can be made to happen and where both Besiktas abd Burnley are financially recompensed, then you Man U have to buy him at the end of the season.

[MarkGreen]

https://twitter.com/skysportsnews/statu ... 4pwaU23QAA

Besiktas have released a statement

"Our player"

Statement From Our Club
After the match of our Football A Team against Kasımpaşa in the Super League, there was a need to make a statement due to speculative news in the media about our football player Wout Weghorst.

The claim that there is an exit clause in our football player's contract, stating that his contract can be terminated with a compensation of 2.5 million Euros in case of an offer from the Premier League, is fictitious. However, the news that the player in question will leave the team on Tuesday is completely untrue. The initiative regarding Wout Weghorst belongs entirely to Beşiktaş Gymnastics Club.

We also state that if there is a development on this issue, our esteemed community and the public will be informed.

[Big Vinny K]

If he really was “their player” then we would have no involvement and Beskitas could deal directly with United.
The Turks are talking out of their arses.

They are trying to play hardball and if that means Wout is forced to stay their for the rest of the season and misses out on potentially the dream transfer of his career this will not end well for Beskitas.

Whilst all 3 clubs position themselves it will be interesting to see what happens the next time Beskitas are due to play and what Wout decides to do. I’d be surprised if he plays and risks injury if the deal is still alive.

[arise_sir_charge]

It’s all posturing on the part of Besiktas to try and keep their fans happy.

[gawthorpe_view]

Becoming tedious is this.

Burnley should issue a statement saying:

“Unless there’s a substantial benefit to Burnley Football Club, you can all just **** off”.

Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment expressed, we may wish to deal with ManU and/or Besiktas in the future with regard to player loans, sales or purchases, so I don't think we'll want to antagonise either club.
FWIW I think a way through this can be found and Wout will get his desired move to Old Trafford.

[Cooclaret]

Wout thinks Wout is a top six player. I agree. He should, and is doing everything he can to agitate for this move.

[Commy]

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Good luck getting a tune out of him when in his head he has already left
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According to some reports so has the stuff out of his locker. He has supposedly emptied it so he obviously thinks he is not going back.

[dougcollins]

It's strange for Besiktas to be saying 'He's 100% our player'.

I thought he was 100% our player.

[Firthy]

Surely Man U just have to agree compensation with Besiktas and then buy him from us.

[Coeus]

“ Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment expressed, we may wish to deal with ManU and/or Besiktas in the future with regard to player loans, sales or purchases, so I don't think we'll want to antagonise either club.
FWIW I think a way through this can be found and Wout will get his desired move to Old Trafford.”

Perhaps the way through is for Wout to buy himself out of loan deal if he’s that keen?

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Lesson learned for next time we loan out to put a recall option in for a set price maybe.

Besiktas saying its their player , er no he isn’t.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Another factor is we won’t want our own players or potential players to see that we stand in the way of such a move.

Besiktas will get a few million. We may get a bit or nowt - but we won’t be worse off, apart from how the move may affect a sale in 6 months. I’m sure Vinny won’t want him, for a variety of reasons, mainly pace, so we won’t stand in the way of the move. All speculation on my part.

[Colburn_Claret]

Journo on Talksport reckons Utd will have to pay Besiktas £8 million to get WW out of his loan deal ....

Surely that is if we agree. They can release him, but they can't loan him to utd. I'd kibosh the whole deal rather than let Besiktas get away with that. Leave them with an unhappy player for 6 months.

[arise_sir_charge]

Another factor is we won’t want our own players or potential players to see that we stand in the way of such a move.

Besiktas will get a few million. We may get a bit or nowt - but we won’t be worse off, apart from how the move may affect a sale in 6 months. I’m sure Vinny won’t want him, for a variety of reasons, mainly pace, so we won’t stand in the way of the move. All speculation on my part.

Why would Besiktas end up with a few million and us nowt?

[AGENT_CLARET]

Why would Besiktas end up with a few million and us nowt?

Man utd pay 2.5 million release fee to Besiktas, then Man utd pay us a loan fee until June, we then keep him or sell him either way we lose nothing

No one pays Besiktas a penny he stays there and sulks for 6 months then we keep him or sell him, again we lose not a single penny

[ClaretLoup]

Technically Wout is a Besiktas player. I think they have made it clear that he is contracted to them until the end of the season and there is no recall clause. So if Besiktas don’t agree to release him effectively he remains their player until the deal runs out.

[Firthy]

Technically Wout is a Besiktas player. I think they have made it clear that he is contracted to them until the end of the season and there is no recall clause. So if Besiktas don’t agree to release him effectively he remains their player until the deal runs out.

If that's the case they can decide to keep him and then he returns to us at the end of the season or they can opt to buy him. But they can't sell him to Man U or anyone else.

[NRC]

there's no buying going on, now or at season-end.... MUFC want to loan him

[arise_sir_charge]

Was going to say, maybe we should be cashing in on THB, Tella and Maatsen!

[Firthy]

there's no buying going on, now or at season-end.... MUFC want to loan him

Not sure anyone knows. Last report I read was that they want to buy him on a permanent deal.

[Commy]

I can understand them not wanting to lose him as he is doing well for them, but I can't understand what they think he is going to be like if they refuse to let him move. It looks like he was saying bye to the fans and has supposedly emptied his locker, so he doesn't want to be there. He comes across as a bit of a sulker if he doesn't get his own way so they could be left with a player who doesn't want to play.

[Boss Hogg]

Hope we are not wasting too much time on this to help Wout or Man U. He’ll command a fee at the end of the season whatever.

[equinox]

There is a food chain in football and Manchester United are further up it than Besiktas, yes technically Wout is 'theirs' until the end of the season but the guy will obviously want to go and play for United, put your curly swords away and let the lad have his big chance.

[ecc]

Surely Man U just have to agree compensation with Besiktas and then buy him from us.

That's how I see it. Unless the contract stipulates otherwise.

[wilks_bfc]

Sky Sports have just tweeted this but unless I’m mistaken, i think this is from yesterday

https://twitter.com/skysportsnews/statu ... mIUtpJ7KpA

[CrosspoolClarets]

Why would Besiktas end up with a few million and us nowt?

I read something earlier from a reporter suggesting Besiktas (who can hold Wout and United over a barrel) will be paid a few million Euro to release him. We’ll see if this is right but I expect the Turks to get more than us because it is to cover a period of time they hold his contract, and to be fair, he is leaving them in the lurch, as he did with us (albeit we had agreed it beforehand with him).

[Clovius Boofus]

If they don't watch out, they might well end up overplaying their hand and get stuck with an unhappy player on the payroll until the end of the season.

[NewClaret]

I read something earlier from a reporter suggesting Besiktas (who can hold Wout and United over a barrel) will be paid a few million Euro to release him. We’ll see if this is right but I expect the Turks to get more than us because it is to cover a period of time they hold his contract, and to be fair, he is leaving them in the lurch, as he did with us (albeit we had agreed it beforehand with him).

My opinion on this largely depends on what the deal was originally. When it was reported, I understood that Besiktas had paid us £2.5m to cover his salary. Effectively we just wanted his salary off the books but couldn’t find a club wanting to pay the fee. If they’ve paid that fee and been paying his wages, that’s different.

Either way, I’ve praised Pace to the hilt on the restructure of this squad and recruitment but feel it negligent to have no means to recall. Especially when our loans seem to have them.

Let’s hope this doesn’t distract us from any incomings we’re working on.

[gawthorpe_view]

Compo for his release will be a matter between ManU and the Turks.
Anything that happens after that is between us and the Mancs.

[Flying Without Ings]

Turkish journo on Twitter (over a 100k followers) is reporting that Weghorst is willing to pay the loan termination fee out of his own pocket if Besiktas refuse to budge.

[1882Clarets1882]

Turkish journo on Twitter (over a 100k followers) is reporting that Weghorst is willing to pay the loan termination fee out of his own pocket if Besiktas refuse to budge.

As Clovious Boofus says above, they'll end up with a unhappy player. Tarks at Brentford.......

[boatshed bill]

How I see it.
He's on loan to Beksitas for the season in a deal we were happy with.
Can't we just leave it there?