The Andrew Tate saga continues

[Anonymous Claret]

It appears that people on here are very quick to defend the global elites. I do not care what their religion is but it appears that a lot of you do. There has been absolutely no anti Semetic language used whatsoever. The very wealthiest in this world do not care 1 jot for humanity. Their wealth keeps growing.
If you are an anti globalist as I am and you are against the very wealthiest of these globalist elites (parasites) becoming even more wealthy at the expense of the general population that must mean that you are anti Semetic. ABSOLUTE GARBAGE. During the Covid situation whilst many independent businesses around the world folded and while large parts of the population not propped up by furlough struggled immensely, the wealth of the top few percent such as Bezos, Gates and Musk skyrocketed.

[Greenmile]

I give up.

You can lead a horse to water....

[Greenmile]

It appears that people on here are very quick to defend the global elites. I do not care what their religion is but it appears that a lot of you do. There has been absolutely no anti Semetic language used whatsoever. The very wealthiest in this world do not care 1 jot for humanity. Their wealth keeps growing.
If you are an anti globalist as I am and you are against the very wealthiest of these globalist elites (parasites) becoming even more wealthy at the expense of the general population that must mean that you are anti Semetic. ABSOLUTE GARBAGE. During the Covid situation whilst many independent businesses around the world folded and while large parts of the population not propped up by furlough struggled immensely, the wealth of the top few percent such as Bezos, Gates and Musk skyrocketed.

Actually, I’ll have one more go...

Some of the above is not entirely unreasonable. You just need to find different language to describe these people.

Think of it this way - I don’t like Kanye West (to stick with the antisemetism theme). I might call him a deluded far-right Trump-loving lunatic. What I won’t do is call him an “uppity n***er” because that is racist language which would cause offence to most right-minded people.

Like it or not, it is a fact that “Globalist parasite” is antisemitic language. Its use to describe anyone is offensive (particularly to Jewish people but, again, equally to any right-minded individual).

If you want to have a pop at Bezos, Musk et al (even Soros if you like), then go ahead, but call them tax-dodging, cheap labour exploiting, selfish, greedy nobheads or something (I like “space Karen” for Musk). Just try and avoid the antisemetic language - and, crucially, the people that use it, because most of them aren’t innocent conspiracy theorists like you (benefit of the doubt again here) but actual antisemites.

Cue the “freedom of speech” brigade coming to tell me not to police your language. Well they can all **** off

[benstone12]

Quick question,
Why is “globalist parasite” anti semitic?

[claptrappers_union]

Jews own all the world banks apparently

[Goalposts]

Concrete

Tate making lots of accusations about globalist elites recently online.

Concrete

Tate arrested shortly after these allegations

Concrete

Super fit 30 odd year old rushed to hospital

Concrete

Epstein arrested on child trafficking charges

Epstein had many famous friends and associates including Prince Andrew, Gates, Trump, Clinton and a host of other celebrities.

Epstein committed 'suicide' in NY jail whilst under 24 hour surveillance. Guards falsified their records and the cameras weren't working

Maxwell imprisoned for 20 years but convicted of trafficking to no one because there was a media blackout meaning no pedos have been identified.

Can you please tell me from the statements above what information is not true? All of the above should have investigative journalists all over these 2 stories. I think that the facts listed above will have people questioning things because that is quite a bit of circumstantial evidence. Why aren't the media all over the Epstein/Maxwell case? Why aren't they exposing the people who visited his island?

Ill call you a fruitcake , conspiracy theory nut , a flat earthers in all but name. There you go

[Greenmile]

Quick question,
Why is “globalist parasite” anti semitic?

It's a dogwhistle used by far-right / neo-nazi / white supremacist extremists (eg the Daily Stormer) as a synonym for "Jew".

Well, two dogwhistles actually...

Globalist

https://www.ajc.org/translatehate/globalist

Parasite

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_parasite

[Chobulous]

Quick question,
Why is “globalist parasite” anti semitic?

And right there is the rub. Greenmile himself is being, inadvertently maybe, antisemitic because he sees the term global parasite and immediately thinks that refers to Jewish people.
To quote a phrase “unconscious bias”. Maybe because that is the favourite trope for those of a certain political persuasion, that and the blood libel, maybe not. I am not defending Anonymous claret here, but I don’t see anything overtly antisemitic in what he posted.

I remember in a thread about Sol Campbell I called him lazy for wanting access to PL coaching opportunities without doing the badges. I was immediately branded a racist by Imploding Turtle because there is a trope that describes black people as lazy. This is the same thing.

[Chobulous]

It's a dogwhistle used by far-right / neo-nazi / white supremacist extremists (eg the Daily Stormer) as a synonym for "Jew".

Well, two dogwhistles actually...

Globalist

https://www.ajc.org/translatehate/globalist

Parasite

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_parasite

Used much more by the far left.

[Rileybobs]

What happened to bluelabrador?

[fidelcastro]

What happened to bluelabrador?

Or trawden girl?

Or were they the same poster?

[Greenmile]

And right there is the rub. Greenmile himself is being, inadvertently maybe, antisemitic because he sees the term global parasite and immediately thinks that refers to Jewish people.
To quote a phrase “unconscious bias”. Maybe because that is the favourite trope for those of a certain political persuasion, that and the blood libel, maybe not. I am not defending Anonymous claret here, but I don’t see anything overtly antisemitic in what he posted.

I remember in a thread about Sol Campbell I called him lazy for wanting access to PL coaching opportunities without doing the badges. I was immediately branded a racist by Imploding Turtle because there is a trope that describes black people as lazy. This is the same thing.

...and that, folks, is how dogwhistles work.

Just enough plausible deniability for folk like Chobulous (and Anonymous Claret - there's that benefit of the doubt again), to genuinely believe that people might be talking entirely innocently, but all the speaker's fellow neo-nazis are left in no doubt as to what they are talking about.

If you ever hear a politician or other public speaker use this sort of language, you can guarantee they are speaking directly and exclusively to the far-right.

[Greenmile]

Used much more by the far left.

Not really, but antisemitism of this nature does occur on both extremes of the political spectrum, I'll grant you.

https://www.thejc.com/lets-talk/all/we- ... s-1.461072

[Greenmile]

What happened to bluelabrador?

The Jews got her

[Chobulous]

...and that, folks, is how dogwhistles work.

Just enough plausible deniability for folk like Chobulous (and Anonymous Claret - there's that benefit of the doubt again), to genuinely believe that people might be talking entirely innocently, but all the speaker's fellow neo-nazis are left in no doubt as to what they are talking about.

If you ever hear a politician or other public speaker use this sort of language, you can guarantee they are speaking directly and exclusively to the far-right.

I’m no fool, I know how that sort of thing works, but you are the one that conflated global parasites and antisemitism, so here’s a question.
Who would you associate that particular bit of nastiness with, the far left or the far right? Or maybe both in equal measure?

[Chobulous]

The Jews got her

Smiley or not

Quod erat demonstrandum.

[Greenmile]

I’m no fool, I know how that sort of thing works,...

I wasn't explaining it for your benefit.

but you are the one that conflated global parasites and antisemitism, so here’s a question.
Who would you associate that particular bit of nastiness with, the far left or the far right? Or maybe both in equal measure?

Both, but not really in equal measure. It's a bit more "mainstream" on the right - you'll see that sort of language in places like Breitbart and even Fox News (see my last link), where as it's more of an extreme position to take for a leftie, imo. Or maybe we lefties are just a bit more careful about the language we use.

[fidelcastro]

Any criticism of Israel is immediately labelled anti semitism.

[distortiondave]

I don't know what any of you are on about and I think my life is better for it.

[Greenmile]

Smiley or not

Quod erat demonstrandum.

I thought that might be used as a "gotcha" by someone - I'm not too bothered about that - but I did think you and I were having a bit more of a sincere conversation, so I'm a little disppointed it was you who's used a blatantly obvious joke to impugn my character.

Live and learn, I suppose.

[Greenmile]

Any criticism of Israel is immediately labelled anti semitism.

Nobody's mentioned Israel as far as I'm aware.

[fidelcastro]

Nobody's mentioned Israel as far as I'm aware.

Possibly not, but I was just making the point of how easy it is to label people.

[distortiondave]

But israeli bad if you do, right?

[Spiral]

Any criticism of Israel is immediately labelled anti semitism.

No it isn't, it's just that people whose hobby horse it is to criticise Israel almost always wade into racism, even if they don't recognise what they're doing as being racist.

The whole topic is a stupid fking hill that only stupid people would die on, and those who do it from a concern for justice use the language of people who'd rather Jews be wiped off the face of Earth — Nazis and Islamists.

[Chobulous]

I wasn't explaining it for your benefit.



Both, but not really in equal measure. It's a bit more "mainstream" on the right - you'll see that sort of language in places like Breitbart and even Fox News (see my last link), where as it's more of an extreme position to take for a leftie, imo. Or maybe we lefties are just a bit more careful about the language we use.

So both sides have bad guys, but your side has less bad guys than their side. You sound like Donald Trump.
And as for being more careful, I refer you to your post regarding blue lab. For the record I did think it was a joke, a bit childish but a joke nonetheless. It was a wide open goal though for the permanently outraged, hence why I highlighted it so not that careful

[Greenmile]

So both sides have bad guys, but your side has less bad guys than their side. You sound like Donald Trump.
And as for being more careful, I refer you to your post regarding blue lab. For the record I did think it was a joke, a bit childish but a joke nonetheless. It was a wide open goal though for the permanently outraged, hence why I highlighted it so not that careful

I wasn’t trying to be “careful” when I made that joke. Blue Lab was (is?) one of the most antisemetic people I’ve ever encountered in the wild, and I’m sure she would consider herself of “the left”, so I’ll happily admit it’s a problem on both sides.

It’s funny you mention Trump, though. He caused a bit of a storm (referenced in my links above) by referring to one of the many officials he fired for not sucking up to him enough as a “Globalist”. It’s a favourite term for folk like Orban, Farage, Le Pen and Meloni, too. I just don’t think there’s as many high-profile leaders on the left who use that type of language, but I’m not trying to suggest it’s not a problem on the left at all.

[Damo]

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[Greenmile]

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And if you try hard enough, you’ll never see it at all.

[fidelcastro]

Can we just all agree that Tate is a massive cockwomble?

[1882Clarets1882]

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[Spiral]

And right there is the rub. Greenmile himself is being, inadvertently maybe, antisemitic because he sees the term global parasite and immediately thinks that refers to Jewish people.

Those words are dog whistles, code for 'Jew'. You may be ignorant of the connotations that have been loaded onto those words in the mouths of racists, but that makes them no less of a dog whistle. Trying to reverse the association and put responsibility on the person challenging the term is completely ridiculous because it can only make sense in a world where those words are not being used as dog whistles, and we do not live in that world. I imagine there are quite a lot of things you are ignorant about, but your ignorance of phenomena doesn't preclude its existence, and that relates also to how people use words.

[KRBFC]

Quick question,
Why is “globalist parasite” anti semitic?

It's not, at all.

Just another big word used when you can't win an argument, Elon Musk is not Jewish. It's just people like Greenmile with his tiresome political nonsense, he said Andrew Tate was a sex trafficker for example, something he has never been charged with, he also called Tate a rapist. I wonder if Greenmile would like to be painted with the same brush? calling someone a rapist is pretty low life behaviour.

[KRBFC]

I wasn't explaining it for your benefit.



Both, but not really in equal measure. It's a bit more "mainstream" on the right - you'll see that sort of language in places like Breitbart and even Fox News (see my last link), where as it's more of an extreme position to take for a leftie, imo. Or maybe we lefties are just a bit more careful about the language we use.

''a leftie''

You sound like such a brainwashed moron, imagine happily labelling yourself that . Careful about the words you use? you weren't so careful labelling Andrew Tate a rapist, something he has never been charged for. Does that now make it fair game to label you a paedophile?

[Chobulous]

I wasn’t trying to be “careful” when I made that joke. Blue Lab was (is?) one of the most antisemetic people I’ve ever encountered in the wild, and I’m sure she would consider herself of “the left”, so I’ll happily admit it’s a problem on both sides.

It’s funny you mention Trump, though. He caused a bit of a storm (referenced in my links above) by referring to one of the many officials he fired for not sucking up to him enough as a “Globalist”. It’s a favourite term for folk like Orban, Farage, Le Pen and Meloni, too. I just don’t think there’s as many high-profile leaders on the left who use that type of language, but I’m not trying to suggest it’s not a problem on the left at all.

OK I guess the point I’m trying to make probably should be on another thread. We all have our own views and sometimes a word or phrase can trigger something that isn’t there. I mentioned the Sol Campbell lazy comment. Apparently there is a long standing trope that black people are lazy, so to call Sol Campbell lazy is racist. Someone was triggered by the lazy comment and could only see a racist comment. In my view, maybe wrongly, you saw global parasite and saw an antisemitic comment.

[Greenmile]

It's not, at all.

Just another big word used when you can't win an argument, Elon Musk is not Jewish. It's just people like Greenmile with his tiresome political nonsense, he said Andrew Tate was a sex trafficker for example, something he has never been charged with, he also called Tate a rapist. I wonder if Greenmile would like to be painted with the same brush? calling someone a rapist is pretty low life behaviour.

He explicitly said he went to Romania because it’s easier to get away with rape there. He’s also previously laid out his human trafficking system in detail on Twitter.

That might not be enough for a jury, but it’s enough for me.

[Greenmile]

''a leftie''

You sound like such a brainwashed moron, imagine happily labelling yourself that . Careful about the words you use? you weren't so careful labelling Andrew Tate a rapist, something he has never been charged for. Does that now make it fair game to label you a paedophile?

You can label me what you want. I’m sorry if I’ve upset you by criticising a human-trafficking rapist who you seem to have taken a shine to for no reason.

[martin_p]

OK I guess the point I’m trying to make probably should be on another thread. We all have our own views and sometimes a word or phrase can trigger something that isn’t there. I mentioned the Sol Campbell lazy comment. Apparently there is a long standing trope that black people are lazy, so to call Sol Campbell lazy is racist. Someone was triggered by the lazy comment and could only see a racist comment. In my view, maybe wrongly, you saw global parasite and saw an antisemitic comment.

Yes, but if you use a word or phrase that has been hijacked by particular people to have a go at particular peoples then you leave yourself open to accusations that you are using it in a particular way. If you then continue to use it when the connotations are pointed out then you can hardly be surprised if people don’t think you’re using it innocently.

[Spiral]

Can anyone who insists 'globalist parasite' isn't antisemitic conspiracy theorist parlance please enlighten me as to the meaning of the word 'globalist' as you see it.

Parasite, I can just about understand, you're talking some form of exploitation, extraction, a person being some kind of drag on others, holding others back etc; vitriol not a million miles off Marx or Rand.

So how does this become attached to 'globalist?' Define 'globalist' please, then 'globalist parasite'. And when you've defined it, tell me why that is a term used to attack.

[martin_p]

It’s a bit like using the word pa*i and claiming you’re just using it as a handy abbreviation of Pakistani like the last 50/60 years of it being a racist epithet hadn’t happened.

[Rileybobs]

It’s like using a swastika and claiming it’s a spiritual symbol.

[Greenmile]

OK I guess the point I’m trying to make probably should be on another thread. We all have our own views and sometimes a word or phrase can trigger something that isn’t there. I mentioned the Sol Campbell lazy comment. Apparently there is a long standing trope that black people are lazy, so to call Sol Campbell lazy is racist. Someone was triggered by the lazy comment and could only see a racist comment. In my view, maybe wrongly, you saw global parasite and saw an antisemitic comment.

I don’t remember the Sol Campbell comment, and context does matter, but I don’t think it’s intrinsically racist to suggest an individual black person is lazy, any more than to suggest an individual Jewish person is tight-fisted, for example.

Surely you can see the difference between that and a blatant dogwhistle like “Globalist parasite”, though? “Globalist elite”, I might just give someone the benefit of the doubt for (context depending), but “parasite” has been used as a slur for Jewish people by antisemites for centuries.

[Chobulous]

Can anyone who insists 'globalist parasite' isn't antisemitic conspiracy theorist parlance please enlighten me as to the meaning of the word 'globalist' as you see it.

Parasite, I can just about understand, you're talking some form of exploitation, extraction, a person being some kind of drag on others, holding others back etc; vitriol not a million miles off Marx or Rand.

So how does this become attached to 'globalist?' Define 'globalist' please, then 'globalist parasite'. And when you've defined it, tell me why that is a term used to attack.

So if I google global parasite, I should unlock a whole host of right wing antisemitic shite. Or so you would think, google being the fount of all information.

All I got was a Welsh punk band. Funny that.

[martin_p]

So if I google global parasite, I should unlock a whole host of right wing antisemitic shite. Or so you would think, google being the fount of all information.

All I got was a Welsh punk band. Funny that.

What? Funny that a huge organisation like Google doesn’t put racist conspiracy theories at the top of its results list?

[Greenmile]

Can anyone who insists 'globalist parasite' isn't antisemitic conspiracy theorist parlance please enlighten me as to the meaning of the word 'globalist' as you see it.

Parasite, I can just about understand, you're talking some form of exploitation, extraction, a person being some kind of drag on others, holding others back etc; vitriol not a million miles off Marx or Rand.

So how does this become attached to 'globalist?' Define 'globalist' please, then 'globalist parasite'. And when you've defined it, tell me why that is a term used to attack.

I type slow and have just said almost the opposite of this, but I do agree with you as well.

“Parasite” is a centuries old antisemetic slur, but could feasibly be used to describe a different class of people, such as tax-dodgers who still take payouts from the state (eg Musk).

“Globalist” is a newer term, also an antisemetic slur, but can be used to describe a certain political outlook.

Put the two together, though, and you have a definite antisemetic dogwhistle with no real ambiguity.

[martin_p]

What? Funny that a huge organisation like Google doesn’t put racist conspiracy theories at the top of its results list?

Unless of course the owners are part of some global elite. Ahhhh….. it’s all starting to add up!

[Chobulous]

What? Funny that a huge organisation like Google doesn’t put racist conspiracy theories at the top of its results list?

Oh FFS

[Greenmile]

So if I google global parasite, I should unlock a whole host of right wing antisemitic shite. Or so you would think, google being the fount of all information.

All I got was a Welsh punk band. Funny that.

You do know “global” and “globalist” are two different words, with different meanings, right?

[Rileybobs]

So if I google global parasite, I should unlock a whole host of right wing antisemitic shite. Or so you would think, google being the fount of all information.

All I got was a Welsh punk band. Funny that.

Have a little look on the band’s Facebook page, some interesting content including 9/11 conspiracy theories amongst some other unsavoury material.

[Greenmile]

You do know “global” and “globalist” are two different words, with different meanings, right?

FWIW, my top Google result for “globalist parasite” (in quotes) took me to the bitchute (never heard of it before) page of someone who seems obsessed with “globalist propaganda” from, amongst others, Disney and Netflix.

It all seemed a bit far-right and racist to me. I didn’t watch any of his videos, though, obviously.

[Spiral]

I type slow and have just said almost the opposite of this, but I do agree with you as well.

“Parasite” is a centuries old antisemetic slur, but could feasibly be used to describe a different class of people, such as tax-dodgers who still take payouts from the state (eg Musk).

“Globalist” is a newer term, also an antisemetic slur, but can be used to describe a certain political outlook.

Put the two together, though, and you have a definite antisemetic dogwhistle with no real ambiguity.

Appreciate all that, Greenmile, but the intention in asking those who insist on its innocence is to get them talking and to elaborate on their views. The old Socratic dialogue. I agree with what you've written above.

With that said, I'd still appreciate if those who insist on it not being a dog whistle would define the phrase in their terms.