Weghorst to… Man United?

todclaret · Post by **todclaret** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:31 pm

https://twitter.com/sportbible/status/1 ... tBWmw&s=19

Wout to compensate Besiktas from his own pocket?

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:42 pm

todclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:31 pm
https://twitter.com/sportbible/status/1 ... tBWmw&s=19

Wout to compensate Besiktas from his own pocket?

Seems unlikely if some of the figures being quoted are true.

beeholeclaret · Post by **beeholeclaret** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:46 pm

Has he still got his iPad? He may need that if he is sulking on their bench?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:50 pm

todclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:31 pm
https://twitter.com/sportbible/status/1 ... tBWmw&s=19

Wout to compensate Besiktas from his own pocket?

What sort of precedent does that set? Ridiculous.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:57 pm

If Wout joins Man Utd he could play for his fifth team in less than 12 months.

Duffer_ · Post by **Duffer_** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:00 pm

I don't believe Weghorst has made that offer. Not only because the figure could be more than his annual net pay but it just gives Besiktas, who hardly need it, even more encouragement. If he was daft enough to say it I could see Besiktas squeezing Man U for as much as they could possibly get and, no matter how high, knocking on Wout's door for another €0.5m because he has said he will contribute. It would be quite funny and I would have a sneaking admiration for Besiktas if we weren't impacted by how it plays out.

todclaret · Post by **todclaret** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:03 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:50 pm
What sort of precedent does that set? Ridiculous.

Something similar done recently in Spain...

https://sport.optus.com.au/laliga/artic ... the%20club.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:08 pm

todclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:03 pm
Something similar done recently in Spain...

https://sport.optus.com.au/laliga/artic ... the%20club.

Similar admittedly, but not quite the same. Perez was contributing to his transfer fee.
Weghorst is offering to compensate a club, but that club doesn't hold his contract.
There are pitfalls all over this... if it's even true.

mybloodisclaret · Post by **mybloodisclaret** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:10 pm

Besiktas have been playing Johnny Big Man even since before WW went there. Since he has been there there has been numerous tweets saying they are not obliged to buy him, and if they wanted they will get the transfer fee down to what they wanted to pay, not the reported €10 million. I hope it gets sorted and goes to Man United and scores plenty, then we get a massive fee for him in the summer.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:15 pm

mybloodisclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:10 pm
Besiktas have been playing Johnny Big Man even since before WW went there. Since he has been there there has been numerous tweets saying they are not obliged to buy him, and if they wanted they will get the transfer fee down to what they wanted to pay, not the reported €10 million. I hope it gets sorted and goes to Man United and scores plenty, then we get a massive fee for him in the summer.

But what if we want him for the PL?

mybloodisclaret · Post by **mybloodisclaret** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:19 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:15 pm
But what if we want him for the PL?

Can't see it myself. If we can get back money we paid for him, happy days.

northeastclaret · Post by **northeastclaret** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:21 pm

Surely Besiktas push Forest very closely for the most odious club owners in Europe? .

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:23 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:15 pm
But what if we want him for the PL?

can't see him having the mentality to want to do that, though I would personally like to see him in our set up. For him it's like a football equivalent of Love Island.... he came to the wholesome chick in Burnley FC because it checked a lot of boxes.... but when it came to it the lure of the new, hotter chick, Besiktas, was enough to draw him away from the fuzzy warmth..... and then the really hot chick arrived - a proper head-turner, the kind of opportunity you wouldn't ordinarily get. He's just not going back to that original chick

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:23 pm

Flying Without Ings wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:05 pm
Turkish journo on Twitter (over a 100k followers) is reporting that Weghorst is willing to pay the loan termination fee out of his own pocket if Besiktas refuse to budge.

Is this the termination fee they deny exists?

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:33 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:23 pm
Is this the termination fee they deny exists?

No, the termination fee they’ll pluck out of mid air I expect.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:36 pm

just on a point of technicality...... is WW "registered" with us currently, or just with Besiktas? I'm assuming the latter, because can't you be registered for three within a season, but only play for two of them?

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:43 pm

NRC wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:23 pm
can't see him having the mentality to want to do that, though I would personally like to see him in our set up. For him it's like a football equivalent of Love Island.... he came to the wholesome chick in Burnley FC because it checked a lot of boxes.... but when it came to it the lure of the new, hotter chick, Besiktas, was enough to draw him away from the fuzzy warmth..... and then the really hot chick arrived - a proper head-turner, the kind of opportunity you wouldn't ordinarily get. He's just not going back to that original chick

You should get a ban for that comparison

How dare you bring love island onto a football forum!

I’m told by the mrs that it starts again soon, I’ll be in bed reading a book for a month

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:43 pm

martin_p wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:33 pm
No, the termination fee they’ll pluck out of mid air I expect.

Is it possible that the fee Weghorst has supposedly offered to pay the personal penalty should he effectively quit his job? This would be in his contract with Besiktas and be different to a termination fee in the contract between the two clubs.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:01 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:43 pm
Is it possible that the fee Weghorst has supposedly offered to pay the personal penalty should he effectively quit his job? This would be in his contract with Besiktas and be different to a termination fee in the contract between the two clubs.

That’s a fair point.

He’s probably been sensible enough to ensure he had an escape clause even if we weren’t.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:03 pm

NRC wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:36 pm
just on a point of technicality...... is WW "registered" with us currently, or just with Besiktas? I'm assuming the latter, because can't you be registered for three within a season, but only play for two of them?

I think it’s more than 2 in England? Someone might correct me.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:21 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:43 pm
Is it possible that the fee Weghorst has supposedly offered to pay the personal penalty should he effectively quit his job? This would be in his contract with Besiktas and be different to a termination fee in the contract between the two clubs.

Will Besiktas have a contract with him? Surely the contract Besiktas have is with us and we have the contract with Weghorst?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:27 pm

martin_p wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:21 pm
Will Besiktas have a contract with him? Surely the contract Besiktas have is with us and we have the contract with VW?

I'm almost certain that Weghorst will have entered into a contract with Besiktas, he's effectively under their employment, working at their place of work and representing their brand etc. That said I'm no employment lawyer.

Presumably players' contracts include a termination fee, if Wout decides to walk away from Burnley for example he would need to compensate Burnley. What happens if he decides to walk away from his loan agreement at Besiktas? I expect in this case he would be breaking the terms of his contact with Burnley but without an agreement with Besiktas there is nothing to protect them.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:37 pm

nobody will loan players to besiktarse in the future

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:39 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:37 pm
nobody will loan players to besiktarse in the future

Not sure what they’re doing wrong, we are the ones looking to terminate an agreement.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:12 am

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:39 pm
Not sure what they’re doing wrong, we are the ones looking to terminate an agreement.

I suspect it's Weghorst that's looking to terminate the agreement more than anyone else. Nowt dumber than a club holding on to an unhappy player

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 1:27 am

martin_p wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:21 pm
Will Besiktas have a contract with him? Surely the contract Besiktas have is with us and we have the contract with Weghorst?

It doesn't really matter whose contract is with who. Basically the position is that Burnley have a contract with Besiktas to loan Weghorst to them, and one or other club has a contract with Weghorst to pay his wage; if Man United want to sign him, then they need to work out a deal whereby Besiktas get something, Burnley get something, Weghorst gets something. How the money swills around the pot is not all that relevant. It's just a matter of United agreeing to pay enough to make everyone happy.

Weghorst is the one with least clout because he can't break his contract and keep playing. Besiktas have clout because they have the player at present but with the downside that he (allegedly) doesn't want to play for them any more. Burnley have clout because we're win-win - if a deal can't be agreed then our original deal still stands.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:18 am

Sounds like we will be the losers in this fiasco

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 5:40 am

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:18 am
Sounds like we will be the losers in this fiasco

Please explain how we will be losers ????

GrahamBranchsPerm · Post by **GrahamBranchsPerm** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 5:50 am

Would be insane / weak if we 'lost' here.

For me, this just brings more certainty / competitive tension to getting the 10m Euro Buy Option paid, whether that be by Besiktas (now unlikely), or Man U.

Any deviation from this (like early release costs), Man U should pick up.

Previously we were at the behest of Besiktas, who come across as poor players (not due to this part of the situation, but due to the initial noises of trying to get him very cheap if we did not go up and were more desperate).

As pointed out, Besiktas also now have the issue of an unhappy player if they dig their heels in.

Going by our recent transfer dealings, Pope fee aside, nothing to suggest Alan Pace et al are poor negotiators. Opposite in fact.

UTC

SydneyClaret · Post by **SydneyClaret** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 6:22 am

I gave Weghorst a bit of slack when he wanted his move to Besiktas so he could play at the world cup, although I'd hardly call the Turkish league better quality than the Championship. I possibly expected him to come back next season had we gone up and put himself back in the Premier league shop window. He pretty much engineered his own move there sulking and stropping and now he's trying to engineer his own move back to the premier league. The guys an absolute clown and to be honest I'd not want him anywhere Burnley FC ever again.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 6:34 am

The compensation Wout will have said he will pay will be the rest of his loan fee for 6 months, whether he can do that is a different matter.

Clive 1960 · Post by **Clive 1960** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 7:09 am

I said on another topic about this guy that I wouldn't want him back anytime soon and a few posters I remember saying that they would I wonder if they have changed their minds now after he wants to cut short is loan move to want a move to Man Utd on loan . I just hope Pace can get the best deal for our club and get rid of him as he's a bad apple In my eyes. UTC

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 7:12 am

AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 10, 2023 5:40 am
Please explain how we will be losers ????

It’s just how some peoples thought process works in life

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 7:17 am

claretandy wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 10, 2023 6:34 am
The compensation Wout will have said he will pay will be the rest of his loan fee for 6 months, whether he can do that is a different matter.

Off set with a signing on fee from United.

Greasy wheels always turn

GrahamBranchsPerm · Post by **GrahamBranchsPerm** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 7:20 am

Yep.

We would do well to 'lose' here. I just think the 'win' is getting the final fee from Man U is far more reliable than those theives at Besiktas. Again, comment based on what came out of their Chairman's mouth a few months ago.

Karma here with what's happened / happening.

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Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 7:29 am

Why a new thread?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 7:39 am

I just don't see how we lose here

He's either on loan at Besiktas or Man Utd, and his wages are covered and we get a loan fee either way

The ideal solution is to sell him to Man United or Besiktas this window to fund a replacement

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 7:49 am

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:08 pm
Similar admittedly, but not quite the same. Perez was contributing to his transfer fee.
Weghorst is offering to compensate a club, but that club doesn't hold his contract.
There are pitfalls all over this... if it's even true.

Besiktas do hold his contract for this season, if there's no recall clause then it's Besiktas who will decide where Weghorst plays his football this season not Burnley FC.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 7:51 am

Surely no way back for him in Turkey now. Knowing how partisan the crowds are at ‘The Big 3’, you can’t imagine they’ll be best pleased at Wout trying to bail on them early. Besiktas are just putting what they need to put in the media to strengthen their position and ensure they get the maximum out of this from United. I would be shocked if this didn’t happen at this point .

FeedTheArf · Post by **FeedTheArf** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 7:54 am

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 10, 2023 7:39 am
I just don't see how we lose here

He's either on loan at Besiktas or Man Utd, and his wages are covered and we get a loan fee either way

The ideal solution is to sell him to Man United or Besiktas this window to fund a replacement

Agreed. There has to be some benefit for us to warrant the hassle.

Best case scenario we get a higher loan fee or better yet a permanent transfer at a higher fee than previously agreed with Besiktas (even though I'd put money on them wanting to renegotiate this if the Man Utd thing didn't crop up).
Absolute worst case scenario is we put him in the shop window at a higher calibre club for a summer sale.

If we're having to do a lot of the groundwork on United's behalf, you'd like to hope they might sling us a player on loan come the summer.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 7:55 am

SydneyClaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 10, 2023 6:22 am
I gave Weghorst a bit of slack when he wanted his move to Besiktas so he could play at the world cup, although I'd hardly call the Turkish league better quality than the Championship. I possibly expected him to come back next season had we gone up and put himself back in the Premier league shop window. He pretty much engineered his own move there sulking and stropping and now he's trying to engineer his own move back to the premier league. The guys an absolute clown and to be honest I'd not want him anywhere Burnley FC ever again.

The guy hasn't said anything about leaving Besiktas but he's a clown for engineering a move to Man United? There's no evidence of that at all.

Man United are one of the biggest clubs in the world, most people born in the 90s will dream of playing for Man United. It's an absolute dream move that will come around once in Wout's career, he should be absolutely desperate to take it imo, I'd question his ambition if he'd rather sit in Turkey than sign for Man United.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:08 am

And how many of our current squad do you think wouldn’t want to leave for Man United?

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:13 am

The Turkish league is a graveyard shift (Dele Alli is a case in point). I don’t think you can blame him, or anyone in his position, for wanting out if Besiktas for a team like Man Utd.

Big Vinny K · Post by **Big Vinny K** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:17 am

You mean no evidence other than him waving and saying bye bye to the fans ?
Other than the owner coming out with a number of statements about wanting compensation if he leaves to go to United ?
And other than every single major media outlet reporting this as one of their main transfer news stories since the weekend ?

It’s pretty safe to assume that neither Burnley or Beskitas instigated this move. Which leaves all the evidence pointing to both Wout and United. Which one of them approached who first is irrelevant really as it’s clear they both want it - and of course why wouldn’t you not want it if you are Wout ?

Hibsclaret · Post by **Hibsclaret** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:20 am

This guy’s arrogance knows no bounds tbh.

Stropping at Watford
Poorly worded leaving message when going to Besiktas
Mouthing goodbye to Besiktas like some kind of Disney love message when you are under contract with months left
Suggesting he will pay his own way out of a contract after said love message to his loan club (reminds me of Richard Gere paying Julia Roberts for the love that developed in that financially motivated relationship)

The last person we need added to our wonderful team and back in our club is this guy. Bad apple doesn’t even scratch the surface.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:32 am

Burnley fans are so funny.

Next season when Burnley are promoted, we will sign some new players, with most signing a relegation clause contract.
Either that or Pace will desperately try and sell them to balance the books like he did the last lot.

Here's 18 months warning for the drama queen's to process it, if we get relegated again.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:36 am

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:32 am
Burnley fans are so funny.

Next season when Burnley are promoted, we will sign some new players, with most signing a relegation clause contract.
Either that or Pace will desperately try and sell them to balance the books like he did the last lot.

Here's 18 months warning for the drama queen's to process it, if we get relegated again.

Of course the nonsense written about him being a bad apple for wanting to go to Man Utd should also be taken into account when we are interested in a player. Any player that is at another club and we show an interest in should be avoided if he expresses a wish to join us as he is clearly a bad apple also.

It's like reading comments from dumped immature teenagers at times

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:45 am

There is no doubt he is like the man he is replacing at United for being self absorbed. Personally I found it fascinating how no Besiktas players ran over to him when he scored, probably they found out that day before the game. If I recall there was talk of upset back at Wolfsburg as well. Then we have his fallout with Roberts, the sulk on the bench, the arguments with Messi, the anti vaxxer stuff before he joined us. This is a guy who is guaranteed headlines one way or the other.

No way will he be Vincent’s cup of tea, even though he is good enough to score a few goals.

What I find amazing though that this story demonstrates is how United are like we were - a side refusing to buy anyone in case it affects the sale value (bizarrely, after they spent £200m last summer). We’ve done our story on that to death, but imagine those United fans, you think you follow the world’s best team and your main target is a guy who couldn’t get in the Burnley team at the end of last season. Quite astonishing how far that club has fallen. Their fans are lapping it up too (for now), sounding like they are loving this loan, I find it all rather amusing.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:47 am

He is desperate for this move and sources now suggesting he is even prepared to dip into his pocket to pay Besiktas part of the loan compensation fee

Casper2 · Post by **Casper2** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:06 am

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:32 am
Burnley fans are so funny.

Next season when Burnley are promoted, we will sign some new players, with most signing a relegation clause contract.
Either that or Pace will desperately try and sell them to balance the books like he did the last lot.

Here's 18 months warning for the drama queen's to process it, if we get relegated again.

Calm down we haven’t been promoted yet