Wood burners

[CaptainKirk]

There was a topic on these a while ago but I can’t seem to find it.
I am looking for recommendations for someone to repair an existing fire and supply and fit a new one in another room.
Many thanks in advance!

[Bosscat]

Theres 2 topics now Jim

[claptrappers_union]

This one?

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... r#p1934163

[Bosscat]

This one?

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... r#p1934163

That makes 3

[JordonP]

Message me on my buisness page on facebook
jp master sweep i can help you out with fitting and supplying a new stove thanks jordon.

[CaptainKirk]

Cheers

[basil6345789]

Illegal

[Exsus]

I love mine.

[morpheus2]

Problem is, if you get a woodburner you gotta getta pooch to go with it!

[chadders]

And guitars.

Nice one Morpheus2

[2 Bee Holed]

Illegal

Are you sure?

[Loyal Supporter]

Illegal

Please can you let me know when they became illegal. You haven't given much detail in your post. I was in the process of having one installed, but didn't know they were illegal.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Police have issued some letters and will be knocking on doors this weekend.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Just tell them your wood burner identifies as an air fryer and they leave without any charge

[Tribesmen]

Hummm that dog has murder in it's eyes

[Claretforever]

Problem is, if you get a woodburner you gotta getta pooch to go with it!

Looks very cosy and toasty.

[FulledgeClaret]

Illegal

yet there are accredited companies out there selling and installing them, I think you are misunderstanding the new legislation which from jan22 makes the sale and installing of any stove or fire that isnt an eco design model illegal but if you have an older design already installed they are perfectly legal.

[Claretforever]

Illegal

https://hoa.org.uk/2021/11/wood-burning-stove/

[Rowls]

“Burning wood can be relatively carbon neutral”

Unless you use a petrol chainsaw to cut it down, how exactly can burning wood fail to be “carbon neutral”?

Anybody got any answers to this?

[Bosscat]

“Burning wood can be relatively carbon neutral”

Unless you use a petrol chainsaw to cut it down, how exactly can burning wood fail to be “carbon neutral”?

Anybody got any answers to this?

Electric Chainsaw Thats what I have ... Ryobi Battery Saw ... charge battery during the daytime using solar

I don't have a log burner though

[Hipper]

“Burning wood can be relatively carbon neutral”

Unless you use a petrol chainsaw to cut it down, how exactly can burning wood fail to be “carbon neutral”?

Anybody got any answers to this?

When you burn wood it releases CO2. How is that carbon neutral? The argument of course is if you plant the tree in the first place it will remove CO2 from the atmosphere, then you burn it and the CO2 is returned. How many people plant the trees that they burn? Or how many trees were planted with a view to burning? This is the whole weakness of the claims that the Drax power station (which burns wood pellets) is carbon neutral.

The main issue with wood burners is the particulate matter they throw in the air:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... data-shows

[Rowls]

When you burn wood it releases CO2. How is that carbon neutral? The argument of course is if you plant the tree in the first place it will remove CO2 from the atmosphere, then you burn it and the CO2 is returned. How many people plant the trees that they burn? Or how many trees were planted with a view to burning? This is the whole weakness of the claims that the Drax power station (which burns wood pellets) is carbon neutral.

The main issue with wood burners is the particulate matter they throw in the air:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... data-shows

Surely burning wood can only release a maximum of carbon that the wood has absorbed?

It’s not as though trees are “creating” carbon: they take in co2 and make tree stuff (sorry for the scientific jargon).

It doesn’t matter if you deliberately plant a seed or accidentally pass an apple pip by pooping in the woods. The carbon equation is surely still neutral?

[Bosscat]

Surely burning wood can only release a maximum of carbon that the wood has absorbed?

It’s not as though trees are “creating” carbon: they take in co2 and make tree stuff (sorry for the scientific jargon).

*It doesn’t matter if you deliberately plant a seed or accidentally pass an apple pip by pooping in the woods. The carbon equation is surely still neutral?

*Cannot fault that logic Rowls...

And Trees taking in co2 and making "Tree Stuff" brilliant analogy (will use that one in conversation )

[durhamclaret]

Dirty smelly wood burners, sorry but I don’t like em, the smell for the neighbours is horrendous

[Hipper]

As I implied it's how you look at it. I look at it negatively! Add up all the CO2 in the atmosphere today. Now burn some wood. There will be more CO2 then there was before. We are apparently way higher then we should be with CO2 levels for our own safety so any action taken should attempt to reduce that. Burning wood today merely adds more. Your argument is just putting off the inevitable (actually reducing the CO2 levels) or creating more difficulties for everyone.

Trees (and plants and bacteria generally) also add oxygen to the atmosphere. Indeed it is the evolution of photosynthesis that is the cause of all the (natural, which is practically all for those pedants on here) oxygen in the atmosphere today.

[AlargeClaret]

Surely burning wood can only release a maximum of carbon that the wood has absorbed?

It’s not as though trees are “creating” carbon: they take in co2 and make tree stuff (sorry for the scientific jargon).

It doesn’t matter if you deliberately plant a seed or accidentally pass an apple pip by pooping in the woods. The carbon equation is surely still neutral?

Marvellous stuff Rowls

Rowls appears to have (possibly) single handily solved the world eco/energy crisis in one foul poop ! Like bears ,all we need to do is sh1t in the woods while having a diet rich in fruit and seeds . Thus propagating the land back to its green and pleasant “ Jerusalem-esque “ best , Huzzah!!

Ps Beauty spots like Tarn Hows maybe lose their lustre a little with the profusion of flabby pale buttocks on show .

[morpheus2]

Surely burning wood can only release a maximum of carbon that the wood has absorbed?

Maybe I'm stupid but Shirley the piece of wood we burn has absorbed CO2 over many many years and converted lots of it over many many years into that breathey stuff we use in our inflatey lung things and the CO2 released when we use the wood as warmy stuff is just the CO2 that is present in the woody stuff at the time of burning and may only have very recently been absorbed by the living leafy tree? But I didn't do wibbly wobbly tree science stuff at school so maybe I really am being stupid Shirley!

[Bfc]

I have a multi stove, but mainly burn wood. One of my neighbours had removed their decking and loaded it onto a Skip, ready to go to the tip. They gave me permission to take it all (a lot). I’ve got 3 months of free heat.
I’ve saved more room on a landfill site and the neighbour saved £150 on hiring a 2nd Skip. All the screws left in the wood, I’ve removed from the ash and will be putting them in a metal skip. Winners all round.

[Rowls]

As I implied it's how you look at it. I look at it negatively! Add up all the CO2 in the atmosphere today. Now burn some wood. There will be more CO2 then there was before. We are apparently way higher then we should be with CO2 levels for our own safety so any action taken should attempt to reduce that. Burning wood today merely adds more. Your argument is just putting off the inevitable (actually reducing the CO2 levels) or creating more difficulties for everyone.

Trees (and plants and bacteria generally) also add oxygen to the atmosphere. Indeed it is the evolution of photosynthesis that is the cause of all the (natural, which is practically all for those pedants on here) oxygen in the atmosphere today.

Yes, can't fault your logic but the start point of your equation is when the wood gets burned. Hence you arrive at a "carbon positive" point, ie more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere than when you started.

That doesn't seem like a very logical way of looking at it because the tree drew that carbon out of the atmosphere in the first place.

If the only thing that mankind ever burned was wood then surely this would be carbon neutral at very least?

[basil6345789]

You can't make smoke if you are in a "Smokeless Zone"

[basil6345789]

I have a multi stove, but mainly burn wood. One of my neighbours had removed their decking and loaded it onto a Skip, ready to go to the tip. They gave me permission to take it all (a lot). I’ve got 3 months of free heat.
I’ve saved more room on a landfill site and the neighbour saved £150 on hiring a 2nd Skip. All the screws left in the wood, I’ve removed from the ash and will be putting them in a metal skip. Winners all round.

If the decking was treated then you'll be belching out carcinogens into the neighbourhood.

[equinox]

I have a multi stove, but mainly burn wood. One of my neighbours had removed their decking and loaded it onto a Skip, ready to go to the tip. They gave me permission to take it all (a lot). I’ve got 3 months of free heat.
I’ve saved more room on a landfill site and the neighbour saved £150 on hiring a 2nd Skip. All the screws left in the wood, I’ve removed from the ash and will be putting them in a metal skip. Winners all round.

If that decking has been treated with anything (highly likely) and you then burn it, you could be facing a lengthy spell in prison.

[Rowls]

Marvellous stuff Rowls

...

If the only thing that mankind ever burned was wood then surely this would be carbon neutral at very least?

Copying you science-y people in so hopefully you can answer my question.

[Rowls]

Maybe I'm stupid but Shirley the piece of wood we burn has absorbed CO2 over many many years and converted lots of it over many many years into that breathey stuff we use in our inflatey lung things and the CO2 released when we use the wood as warmy stuff is just the CO2 that is present in the woody stuff at the time of burning and may only have very recently been absorbed by the living leafy tree? But I didn't do wibbly wobbly tree science stuff at school so maybe I really am being stupid Shirley!

PS: Happy Birthday!

[2 Bee Holed]

I have a multi stove, but mainly burn wood. One of my neighbours had removed their decking and loaded it onto a Skip, ready to go to the tip. They gave me permission to take it all (a lot). I’ve got 3 months of free heat.
I’ve saved more room on a landfill site and the neighbour saved £150 on hiring a 2nd Skip. All the screws left in the wood, I’ve removed from the ash and will be putting them in a metal skip. Winners all round.

What was the moisture content when you burned it? Was the timber treated?

[equinox]

What was the moisture content when you burned it? Was the timber treated?

See, gathering evidence, you are going down for a long, long time if you've burnt that decking.

[morpheus2]

Copying you science-y people in so hopefully you can answer my question.

If that be the case then I guess dipping my wood in raw crude oil prior to chucking into my wood burner is the way to go - those primeval rainforests must have done enough carbon eating in the dinasaury days to justify utilising the relatively small carbony residue from their previous huge oxygeny gift....in other words (if I haven't misunderstood your point) I like the cut of your jib - I'm on board!

[2 Bee Holed]

See, gathering evidence, you are going down for a long, long time if you've burnt that decking.

Chances are he will have damaged his flue liner too, let alone the environment.

[Rowls]

If that be the case then I guess dipping my wood in raw crude oil prior to chucking into my wood burner is the way to go - those primeval rainforests must have done enough carbon eating in the dinasaury days to justify utilising the relatively small carbony residue from their previous huge oxygeny gift....in other words (if I haven't misunderstood your point) I like the cut of your jib - I'm on board!

I'm doing my bit by only using pencils sparingly to save the carbon that has been captured within them.

I'm aiming to invest my savings into a diamond too. So far, I have £12.44 but that figure should grow once my bitcoin stock regains it's losses.

[durhamclaret]

I have a multi stove, but mainly burn wood. One of my neighbours had removed their decking and loaded it onto a Skip, ready to go to the tip. They gave me permission to take it all (a lot). I’ve got 3 months of free heat.
I’ve saved more room on a landfill site and the neighbour saved £150 on hiring a 2nd Skip. All the screws left in the wood, I’ve removed from the ash and will be putting them in a metal skip. Winners all round.

Apart from the horrible stench that you are polluting the atmosphere with!

[chipbutty]

I have a multi stove, but mainly burn wood. One of my neighbours had removed their decking and loaded it onto a Skip, ready to go to the tip. They gave me permission to take it all (a lot). I’ve got 3 months of free heat.
I’ve saved more room on a landfill site and the neighbour saved £150 on hiring a 2nd Skip. All the screws left in the wood, I’ve removed from the ash and will be putting them in a metal skip. Winners all round.

3 months of free heat from someone's decking?
Was it from Buckingham Palace?

[Hipper]

I'm doing my bit by only using pencils sparingly to save the carbon that has been captured within them.

I'm aiming to invest my savings into a diamond too. So far, I have £12.44 but that figure should grow once my bitcoin stock regains it's losses.

Bitcoin and the like are themselves apparently the cause of considerable CO2 emissions via the extraordinary amount of energy their activity uses:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56012952

And more on wood burning in the UK:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ing-stoves

[RMutt]

I think someone at the Guardian must have burnt themselves on a log burner, they’ve been after them for ages now.
It would be interesting to see a comparison of the negative effects on public health compared to other potential causes, like, under investment in the NHS, problems getting a dental or doctor’s appointment, the effects of fast food outlets and poor diet etc, etc.
It looks like another soft target that gets plenty of publicity without really affecting public health.

[Rowls]

I think someone at the Guardian must have burnt themselves on a log burner, they’ve been after them for ages now.

Anything people like, enjoy or gives pleasure will become a target for Puritanical thinking.

[Bosscat]

Not to sure about burning pressure treated timber in a woodburner ... don't they have chemicals such as arsenic in them and wouldn't that be released in the soot.

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[lakedistrictclaret]

I know that the opposition to woodburners relates to urban rather than rural areas, but where I live there is no mains gas and there are people in my village whose only form of heating is woodburners or open fires.

[basil6345789]

They're for people in the country exactly for that reason. Not for Town Cheeses.

[IanMcL]

Not to sure about burning pressure treated timber in a woodburner ... don't they have chemicals such as arsenic in them and wouldn't that be released in the soot.

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Not to mention the old lace!

[Gaia]

The issue with log burners is they release fine particulate matter pm 2.5 both in the home and outside.
The term fine particles, or particulate matter 2.5 (PM2.5), refers to tiny particles or droplets in the air that are two and one half microns or less in width.
Studies suggest that long term exposure to fine particulate matter may be associated with increased rates of chronic bronchitis, reduced lung function and increased mortality from lung cancer and heart disease. People with breathing and heart problems, children and the elderly may be particularly sensitive to PM2.5.

[Belial]

The issue with log burners is they release fine particulate matter pm 2.5 both in the home and outside.
The term fine particles, or particulate matter 2.5 (PM2.5), refers to tiny particles or droplets in the air that are two and one half microns or less in width.
Studies suggest that long term exposure to fine particulate matter may be associated with increased rates of chronic bronchitis, reduced lung function and increased mortality from lung cancer and heart disease. People with breathing and heart problems, children and the elderly may be particularly sensitive to PM2.5.

Quite right...not to mention the release of VOCs and other harmful substances. The rise in use of woodburners is directly impacting local air quality and will be one of the next focuses following the scrutiny over vehicles in the past 5-10 years

As far as using them being carbon neutral....the key word is "can"....doesn't mean that is, and it relies on planting elsewhere to make up for the ones cut down and burned. There's also a sh1t tonne of carbon in a tree!

But yeah...burning decking is a bit daft really