Cressida Dick.

[quoonbeatz]

No. Simply pointing out that bad apples exist in all areas of public life not exclusively in the police. Cheers.

Difference being the bad apples are rooted out and dealt with in most other areas, such as the example you gave, whereas the Met tend to let them crack on.

[Enola Gay]

I agree. As soon as I heard a copper nicknamed ******* Dave had been operating as a rapist within the Met police for 20 years, with them ignoring multiple complaints from his victims, I thought to myself "I really do wonder if they're great at investigating their own"

To say nothing of the other guy nicknamed “The Rapist”, which somehow didn’t seem to set any alarm bells ringing.

[claptrappers_union]

I once shared an office with a former copper who came from a family of coppers, and he was the biggest arsehole I've ever worked with.

He was a stickler for the rules but always looking to bend them; he barely used rational thinking and would throw his weight around if something wasn't going his way. Everything was always someone else fault.

Just another bad apple.

[ŽižkovClaret]

No. Simply pointing out that bad apples exist in all areas of public life not exclusively in the police. Cheers.

The warrant card, uniform, and in these last two major cases, firearm access amplifies the issue somewhat, surely you can see that?

[ŽižkovClaret]

Difference being the bad apples are rooted out and dealt with in most other areas, such as the example you gave, whereas the Met tend to let them crack on.

Increasingly seeing parallels between the Met and the Catholic Church, personally

[HalifaxClaret]

Difference being the bad apples are rooted out and dealt with in most other areas, such as the example you gave, whereas the Met tend to let them crack on.

Are there any examples of people in other organisations that get dismissed prior to a criminal trial?

[1882Clarets1882]

Difference being the bad apples are rooted out and dealt with in most other areas, such as the example you gave, whereas the Met tend to let them crack on.

Aren't you assuming that of the 73 doctors convicted of sex offences, many of them hadn't been getting away with it for a long time and that colleagues and managers simply turned a blind eye as the police appear to have done? You simply cannot know for sure if the NHS dont tend to "let them crack on " due to the very nature of the crime.

[1882Clarets1882]

The warrant card, uniform, and in these last two major cases, firearm access amplifies the issue somewhat, surely you can see that?

I can see that yes. In the 73 cases of doctors being convicted of sex offences. The white smock, the privacy of a consultation room, the intimacy of the interaction between doctor and patient, not to mention the trust and the power ( for want of a better word) the doctors position carries alao amplifiers in the same way. Surely you can see that , right?

Bad apples are bad apples.

[1882Clarets1882]

Are there any examples of people in other organisations that get dismissed prior to a criminal trial?

To be fair, he's now admitted to what he's done mate.

[fatboy47]

Aren't you assuming that of the 73 doctors convicted of sex offences, many of them hadn't been getting away with it for a long time and that colleagues and managers simply turned a blind eye as the police appear to have done? You simply cannot know for sure if the NHS dont tend to "let them crack on " due to the very nature of the crime.

I'll bite here. Even though I'm pretty sure you're just looking to create and perpetuate an argument.

I've got lengthy experience of working alongside both the police and the NHS. Seriously lengthy experience.
Take it from me, if you now worked inside the NHS and displayed any kind of deviant/misogynistic / aggressive behaviour, they'd be all over you like a rash and your arse would be out the door within days. I can say pretty much the same for Probation Service and for Children's Social Care.

Sexism, misogyny and bullying weren't seen as a big deal within the Police Force and apart from one or two more progressive forces, its still almost de rigeur.

Not looking for a left-right chat here, just telling you how it is.

[1882Clarets1882]

I'll bite here. Even though I'm pretty sure you're just looking to create and perpetuate an argument.

I've got lengthy experience of working alongside both the police and the NHS. Seriously lengthy experience.
Take it from me, if you now worked inside the NHS and displayed any kind of deviant/misogynistic / aggressive behaviour, they'd be all over you like a rash and your arse would be out the door within days. I can say pretty much the same for Probation Service and for Children's Social Care.

Sexism, misogyny and bullying weren't seen as a big deal within the Police Force and apart from one or two more progressive forces, its still almost de rigeur.

Not looking for a left-right chat here, just telling you how it is.

With all sincerity I can assure you I'm not out to create and perpetuate an argument.

Whether a sex offender is dismissed within days (assuming they haven't been getting away with it for years ) or after a protracted time. There isn't some sort of hierarchy of effect here. The victim , tragically , still has to live with the consequences of these evil predators for the rest of their lives.

I'm simply saying the sad truth is that there are wrong 'ens in all areas of life. The police are certainly no exception.

[Devils_Advocate]

There's a massive difference between where someone within an organisation is know by names alluding to them being a rapist by fellow workers and no action being taken or where that same organisation has a history of the public raising serious concerns about employees which are ignored by the organisation compared with a person of another organisation being found guilty of an offence that may have had nothing to do with their work place and once it is known about action being taken.

If you have some examples of people being known ad GP Groper or Dr Pervert by their colleagues or examples of patients raising concerns about these doctors and them being ignored then the comparison might have some validity but as it is all you are proving is that bad people can and do exist in all walks of life (no sh*t captain obvious).

The key thing about the Met and this news story is how they have a culture of ignoring, joking about and looking the other way and as a result enabling their officers to carry on their abuse and criminal activity

[quoonbeatz]

Aren't you assuming that of the 73 doctors convicted of sex offences, many of them hadn't been getting away with it for a long time and that colleagues and managers simply turned a blind eye as the police appear to have done? You simply cannot know for sure if the NHS dont tend to "let them crack on " due to the very nature of the crime.

No, I'm not assuming. I had sight of a lot of those cases in my job and I know how those type of allegations are dealt with.

[quoonbeatz]

Are there any examples of people in other organisations that get dismissed prior to a criminal trial?

Not the question that needs asking here.

[TsarBomba]

I saw the news break yesterday and my heart just sank.

I’m just done with this organisation. The last 2-3 years have been a disaster. I’m sick and tired of being lumped in with these animals.

There is just no defending it anymore.

I just don’t know how predators that have nicknames such as ‘The Rapist’ and ‘The *******’ are getting away with this.

My experience is that this behaviour wouldn’t last 5 minutes on a Response Team and would be challenged in a heartbeat. The fact that both Couzens and now Carrick were both employed within the Diplomatic Protection Group says a lot. It would seem they, and the Met, have a problem. A big problem.

Perhaps it’s a generational thing. Older officers that were recruited in the 80/90/00’s that think they are untouchable. The only glimmer of hope is the new generation and recruits coming through don’t have this mindset.

These b*stards need rooting out once and for all.

Another incredibly dark day for policing.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Are there any examples of people in other organisations that get dismissed prior to a criminal trial?

People get dismissed from jobs all the time for basic theft and it never goes to the police, because the companies don't want the attention of the local news/social media etc.

[ŽižkovClaret]

I saw the news break yesterday and my heart just sank.

I’m just done with this organisation. The last 2-3 years have been a disaster. I’m sick and tired of being lumped in with these animals.

There is just no defending it anymore.

I just don’t know how predators that have nicknames such as ‘The Rapist’ and ‘The *******’ are getting away with this.

My experience is that this behaviour wouldn’t last 5 minutes on a Response Team and would be challenged in a heartbeat. The fact that both Couzens and now Carrick were both employed within the Diplomatic Protection Group says a lot. It would seem they, and the Met, have a problem. A big problem.

Perhaps it’s a generational thing. Older officers that were recruited in the 80/90/00’s that think they are untouchable. The only glimmer of hope is the new generation and recruits coming through don’t have this mindset.

These b*stards need rooting out once and for all.

Another incredibly dark day for policing.

Genuinely, thank you for your honesty. I wonder how many letters resembling your post are being sent to the big cheeses, and perhaps those at the Police Federation too.

[ClaretPete001]

There's a massive difference between where someone within an organisation is know by names alluding to them being a rapist by fellow workers and no action being taken or where that same organisation has a history of the public raising serious concerns about employees which are ignored by the organisation compared with a person of another organisation being found guilty of an offence that may have had nothing to do with their work place and once it is known about action being taken.

If you have some examples of people being known ad GP Groper or Dr Pervert by their colleagues or examples of patients raising concerns about these doctors and them being ignored then the comparison might have some validity but as it is all you are proving is that bad people can and do exist in all walks of life (no sh*t captain obvious).

The key thing about the Met and this news story is how they have a culture of ignoring, joking about and looking the other way and as a result enabling their officers to carry on their abuse and criminal activity

I suppose that is the what (of what happened) but the question is the why?

Is it because of a misogynistic culture (as the Guardian and the various cultural warriors would have you believe) or is it because a performative culture imposed by neo-liberal orthodoxy reduces front line workers to a culture of fear that precludes them from talking....? And in institutions, which do not have any natural competition there is little incentive to be efficient other than the performative measure, which often lead to perverse outcomes and bullying cultures.

And more interestingly, which one of those is the Left wing argument???

[ClaretFelix]

This aged badly

How so?

[ŽižkovClaret]

How so?


"I've said it before and I'll say it again, that I'm sure that people believe every force is akin to those they see on line of duty and other such crap, with "bent coppers" or rapists running loose.

In reality, they fail to see that Police officers are probably the most accountable people in the country, with almost every aspect of their professional and personal lives being scrutinised at every turn......."

Looks like a distinct lack of scrutiny to me, for one.

[tiger76]

The new Met Police commissioner Mark Rowley has vowed to root out the bad apples even if it creates bad short term headlines.

Let's hope he's true to his word, and these offences aren't minor so serious questions have to be raised as to whether the current vetting procedures are robust enough.

Sadly for the vast majority of officers, who it's worth remembering put themselves in danger on every shift, these high profile cases will yet again make the general public less confident in the force as a whole.

[Bordeauxclaret]

When a serving officer pleaded guilty to rape and murder in 2021 Cressida Dick gave a Press Conference where she said “ Everyone in policing feels betrayed.”

That same month an allegation of rape was made against this current bloke who was known by fellow officers as ‘******* Dave’. He wasn’t even suspended after his arrest.

I think people are bored of words. Serious action needs to be taken to reform that organisation.

[Spijed]

It was all rather telling that no-one had a good word to say about Cressida Dick and her ability when she retired.

[claptrappers_union]

When a serving officer pleaded guilty to rape and murder in 2021 Cressida Dick gave a Press Conference where she said, “ Everyone in policing feels betrayed.”

That same month an allegation of rape was made against this current bloke known by fellow officers as ‘******* Dave’. He wasn’t even suspended after his arrest.

I think people are bored of words. Serious action needs to be taken to reform that organisation.

This will be rife in the organisation too. It's only because they got caught and are the extreme ones. Just think about all the cases and allegations that had a blind eye turned because it's just some prossie, some gobby woman or wired teenage kid. They'll be loads.

[2 Bee Holed]

What is Caressa Dick up to these days?

https://youtu.be/9tsVJjE0qAw

[ŽižkovClaret]

Forces are now being asked to vet their serving officers in case anyone has anything like a similar record.

You'd have hoped they would have initiated this after Couzens at the very least. It beggars belief, it really does, and yet people question why many people's default is now to distrust the police.