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by Shaggy » Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:13 pm
claretspice wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:02 pm
Here's the thing about Wood. The weakest part of his game was doing the target man stuff in a "lump it" team. His touch and link up with his back to goal was erratic, particularly when he was out of form.
His ability and willingness to run the channels and ability to occupy defenders as a physical presence and movement and finishing in the box- they were his strengths. And his goal record speaks for itself.
He was a physical lump. That was his game/strength. We set up exclusively to compliment him.
His goal scoring record was bang average for us and woeful
For Newcastle.
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by tiger76 » Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:23 pm
Shaggy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:13 pm
He was a physical lump. That was his game/strength. We set up exclusively to compliment him.
His goal scoring record was bang average for us and woeful
For Newcastle.
No sorry I'm not having that his goal scoring was bang average for Burnley, he averaged about 1 in 3 which is more than handy for a side generally fighting relegation.
Agree he's been woeful for Newcastle 4 in 35, but that surely vindicates our decision to take the £25m on offer.
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by Shaggy » Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:39 pm
tiger76 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:23 pm
No sorry I'm not having that his goal scoring was bang average for Burnley, he averaged about 1 in 3 which is more than handy for a side generally fighting relegation.
Agree he's been woeful for Newcastle 4 in 35, but that surely vindicates our decision to take the £25m on offer.
1 in 3 is bang average that’s the thing. It’s not like we shared the goals around the team either.
£25m for him was wonderful business. Absolutely delighted with that.
As for forest, I can’t see how he will fit into their team. They don’t get the ball back to front quick enough for him to be effective.
I could see the sense in an Everton or West Ham perhaps but not Forest.
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by gandhisflipflop » Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:45 pm
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 7:42 pm
Ings - 130 appearances, 43 goals, 14 assists (11 goals & 4 assists in the PL)
Wood - 165 appearances, 53 goals, 9 assists (majority of those in the PL)
I was talking about goal contributions. I.E playing a part in the goal/build up. Not sure how you’d measure it, but the point I’m trying to make is that even when ings was off it, he was capable of beating men and bringing others into play, whereas with wood, you were virtually playing with 10 men.
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by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:11 pm
gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:45 pm
I was talking about goal contributions. I.E playing a part in the goal/build up. Not sure how you’d measure it, but the point I’m trying to make is that even when ings was off it, he was capable of beating men and bringing others into play, whereas with wood, you were virtually playing with 10 men.
When we had Barnes and Wood upfront they bullied a lot of defenders in the PL, as a duo.
Ings was better at dropping deep and linking up the play, but Wood was a good old fashioned centre forward who smashed them in regularly and that appears to be overlooked for some reason.
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by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:13 pm
Shaggy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:39 pm
1 in 3 is bang average that’s the thing. It’s not like we shared the goals around the team either.
£25m for him was wonderful business. Absolutely delighted with that.
As for forest, I can’t see how he will fit into their team. They don’t get the ball back to front quick enough for him to be effective.
I could see the sense in an Everton or West Ham perhaps but not Forest.
1 in 3 isn't bang average, his record for those first 3 years in the PL for us put him up alongside strikers who you'd probably claim are great strikers, yet you're banging on about Wood being toss at best.
Get over yourself.
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by Shaggy » Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:21 pm
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:13 pm
1 in 3 isn't bang average, his record for those first 3 years in the PL for us put him up alongside strikers who you'd probably claim are great strikers, yet you're banging on about Wood being toss at best.
Get over yourself.
Incorrect. 1 in 3 is meh… average for a main striker.
1 in 2 is good and better than that is exceptional.
Also I’m not arguing that he is toss at best. Iv said he is average and not really a premier league striker for clubs who don’t play a particular way. He isn’t. I’m not overly interested if you disagree or not. Facts speak for
Themselves. He hasn’t done the business at other clubs in the PL. there’s obviously a reason for that.
Seems Wood is getting the same treatment as our Ex Manager, a certain section cannot and will not take any alternative view for some weird reason. It’s like a cult.
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by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:23 pm
Shaggy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:21 pm
Incorrect. 1 in 3 is meh… average for a main striker.
1 in 2 is good and better than that is exceptional.
Also I’m not arguing that he is toss at best. Iv said he is average and not really a premier league striker for clubs who don’t play a particular way. He isn’t. I’m not overly interested if you disagree or not. Facts speak for
Themselves. He hasn’t done the business at other clubs in the PL. there’s obviously a reason for that.
Seems Wood is getting the same treatment as our Ex Manager, a certain section cannot and will not take any alternative view for some weird reason. It’s like a cult.
He gets the same treatment as Dyche from you, you belittle everything Dyche has done here and you're doing the same with Wood nie.
You're not right in the head that's for sure.
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by Shaggy » Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:28 pm
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:23 pm
He gets the same treatment as Dyche from you, you belittle everything Dyche has done here and you're doing the same with Wood nie.
You're not right in the head that's for sure.
I’m not belittling him. It’s an opinion. If he was that good then he’d be at a top club scoring lots off goals. He isn’t either. He’s bang average. 189 premier league appearances and 54 goals. That’s 1 in 3.5 matches.
Your just a daft little snowflake who doesn’t like any views apart from your own.
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by Bosscat » Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:49 pm
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:23 pm
He gets the same treatment as Dyche from you, you belittle everything Dyche has done here and you're doing the same with Wood nie.
You're not right in the head that's for sure.
I see you got a similar reply from Scooby Snacker as I did yesterday ... I think Shaggy needs to find a new hobby following Burnley isn't good for his mental health for sure ...
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by Jakubclaret » Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:46 pm
tiger76 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:23 pm
No sorry I'm not having that his goal scoring was bang average for Burnley, he averaged about 1 in 3 which is more than handy for a side generally fighting relegation.
Agree he's been woeful for Newcastle 4 in 35, but that surely vindicates our decision to take the £25m on offer.
"Our decision" probably puts a end to the forced gun to the head nonsense which was circulating when he left regarding the RC, people would have left regardless JT wasn't stopping on, BM probably wouldn't have done with a good result against Newcastle & NC definitely contractually maybe even Dwight & NP would have left with a bigger club coming in, a reset needed whatever scenario without even factoring new management.
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by Lancasterclaret » Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:49 pm
So we are at the "Chris Wood was **** for us" stage now are we?
The posters who come up with this stuff don't know anything about football
Best ignored or blocked to be honest
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by fatboy47 » Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:56 pm
I just thank God we've developed an alternative style of play.
The time when lumping it up to Wood was the only game in town seems like a lifetime ago. I'd hate to go back there.
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by 1fatclaret » Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:01 pm
Shaggy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:21 pm
Incorrect. 1 in 3 is meh… average for a main striker.
1 in 2 is good and better than that is exceptional.
Also I’m not arguing that he is toss at best. Iv said he is average and not really a premier league striker for clubs who don’t play a particular way. He isn’t. I’m not overly interested if you disagree or not. Facts speak for
Themselves. He hasn’t done the business at other clubs in the PL. there’s obviously a reason for that.
Seems Wood is getting the same treatment as our Ex Manager, a certain section cannot and will not take any alternative view for some weird reason. It’s like a cult.
Wayne Rooney just over 1 in 3
Marcus Eashford 1 in 4
Neither are or were “meh”
Chris wood was a very good footballer for us apart from his last season.
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by Swizzlestick » Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:03 pm
Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:46 pm
"Our decision" probably puts a end to the forced gun to the head nonsense which was circulating when he left regarding the RC, people would have left regardless JT wasn't stopping on, BM probably wouldn't have done with a good result against Newcastle & NC definitely contractually maybe even Dwight & NP would have left with a bigger club coming in, a reset needed whatever scenario without even factoring new management.
I dunno - when the TC left the OG over the GD, the SW looked a little PV and was certainly lacking a little EL.
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by Swizzlestick » Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:12 pm
Except if you’re on the M6.
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by kentonclaret » Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:25 pm
Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 7:48 pm
I feel for Chris Wood. At the end of the the 20/21 season he scored 8 in 8 to help keep us up before we were on the beach for the last 3 games. I said at the time and stand by it that the Olympics was his downfall. After the tough season he’d had with us, following on from the disruption of the covid season, he had a short break before going into Olympic training with NZ. On returning to us his spark had gone and with it went his goals. At 31 I think he’s done as a top level player now but he didn’t deserve to have a bad ending with us after all he had put in.
As you quite rightly point out Chris Wood scored a flurry of goals at the tail end of the 20/21 season (8 in 8) which kept us up although we remained one of the 3 lowest scoring teams that season (the other two relegated). During the season as a whole Chris only contributed a further 4 goals. That late flurry of goals glossed over the problems and led many to believe that everything was fine and rosy in the goal scoring department and we failed to strengthen. But the lack of goals remained a problem in the following season and we went down along with the other two lowest scoring teams. Chris Wood contributing just 3 goals in the first half of that season.
Only a combination of factors led to a club recently acquired by Mega wealthy owners paying £25 million for his services. No surprise that he has scored only a handful of goals for Newcastle and that he is now being loaned out to Forest. He was only really ever a stop gap until Callum Wilson recovered fitness and Newcastle splashed the Saudi cash on some overseas recruit more prolific in front of goal.
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by beddie » Fri Jan 20, 2023 8:02 am
Those who choose to criticise him obviously forget the many goals he scored for us that made them jump out of their seat. He was brilliant for us. I’ll always be grateful to him for his commitment to the cause and wish him well in any future move.
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by claptrappers_union » Fri Jan 20, 2023 8:11 am
Chris Wood did nothing wrong.
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by KRBFC » Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:16 am
Scored goals in a team built entirely around him, constantly offside, barely any chances created for others, couldn't trap wind. Then left whilst admitting he'd been half arsed collecting a wage which led to our demise and relegation.
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by Rileybobs » Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:22 am
Seems some sensitive souls are still upset because he used the term ‘comfort zone’. Bless.
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by warksclaret » Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:29 am
He was a great capture from Leeds and more than paid for his fee. When he left there was a profit to be made and scored some great goals against top clubs. May have said a few wrong things when he left, when he could not wait to join Newcastle. At the time the sale to Newcastle was promptly sanctioned by us and it suited us
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by Jakubclaret » Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:30 am
WW didn't apart from in some eyes that he didn't make a song & dance about things at watford & ensured what had already been agreed prior to signing was fulfilled.
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by tiger76 » Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:02 am
Rumours that Chris Wood has triggered a permanent summer move to Forest for £15m.
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by Big Vinny K » Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:09 am
tiger76 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:02 am
Rumours that Chris Wood has triggered a permanent summer move to Forest for £15m.
Another great signing on fee and contract no doubt and slightly further down the bench than he is at Newcastle.
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by Spijed » Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:15 am
KRBFC wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:16 am
Scored goals in a team built entirely around him, constantly offside, barely any chances created for others, couldn't trap wind. Then left whilst admitting he'd been half arsed collecting a wage which led to our demise and relegation.
If he was useless why have only five other strikers in the Prem ever got double figures in the same number of consecutive seasons (four) that he did for us?
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by kenyon6923 » Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:15 am
more like Newcastle are planning their summer recruitment and need the empty squad numbers, if true they will have agreed a pay off making it a no brainer for him to sign for Forest.
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by Pickles » Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:20 am
tiger76 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:02 am
Rumours that Chris Wood has triggered a permanent summer move to Forest for £15m.
After making three starts, Forest are obliged to make the loan permanent. A bizarrely low amount of games.
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by warksclaret » Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:22 am
A tremendous signing for us, helped keep us in the PL, and we sold him exactly at the right time. Suspect we saw his best years at Burnley
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by Jakubclaret » Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:27 am
Spijed wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:15 am
If he was useless why have only five other strikers in the Prem ever got double figures in the same number of consecutive seasons (four) that he did for us?
He was effectively useless towards the end & financially it was the right decision to cash in that said with the margin we was relegated & WW output it remains a mystery on a 100% basis if we would have stopped up had he stayed, had we replaced him with some sort of goal machine it wouldn’t have been a problem.
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by Quicknick » Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:28 am
Shaggy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:39 pm
1 in 3 is bang average that’s the thing. It’s not like we shared the goals around the team either.
£25m for him was wonderful business. Absolutely delighted with that.
As for forest, I can’t see how he will fit into their team. They don’t get the ball back to front quick enough for him to be effective.
I could see the sense in an Everton or West Ham perhaps but not Forest.
If a footballer scored one in three over his career, he'd be regarded as relatively free-scoring.
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by tiger76 » Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:28 am
Pickles wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:20 am
After making three starts, Forest are obliged to make the loan permanent. A bizarrely low amount of games.
Yes, very strange, mind you we are talking about Forest who are signing everyone and anyone they can.
£15m for a 31 year old who has netted 4 in 35 Prem games, I'd love to see the reaction on here if Burnley forked out that kind of fee.
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by claret2018 » Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:39 am
He’s done well to carry on a premier league career for as long as he has.
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by tiger76 » Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:40 am
claret2018 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:39 am
He’s done well to carry on a premier league career for as long as he has.
His agent is certainly earning their corn that's for sure.
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by tiger76 » Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:44 am
warksclaret wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:22 am
A tremendous signing for us, helped keep us in the PL, and we sold him exactly at the right time. Suspect we saw his best years at Burnley
Yep! for the money we received it was a no brainer, and Wood has hardly pulled up any trees at Newcastle has he.
One thing we've generally been good at is selling guys on at the right time.
Andre Gray is another forward we made decent profit on and his career his rapidly gone downhill since his couple of seasons at Burnley.
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by Steve1956 » Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:47 am
I can see Chris Wood plying his trade in the Championship next season,how ironic would that be,he might even find his comfort zone,funny how things sometimes work out init?
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by bobinho » Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:50 am
Why can there be no middle ground here?
He’s either an exceptional striker, or not fit to play for Padiham.
Truth is somewhere in between, like it always is regardless of the subject, but even having said that, 1 in 3 is a great return at PL level. But it’s unfair to just “bully” people who’s opinion isn’t “Wood was superb”.
One of my favourites for a while. He was very effective for quite some time here. Scored some great goals and some very important goals, all contributing to us staying up.
I think what sticks in the craw for some people (me included) is that when we needed him to step up, work hard and get amongst it in that final relegation battle, he wasn’t there. His last 12 months was poor - the last 6 months nothing short of disgraceful from a professional athlete who was drawing a quite considerable wage.
So let’s not pretend he was Alan Shearer, but equally let’s not pretend he was Dele Adebola either.
His lack of goals for Newcastle doesn’t (in my view) vindicate the sale for £25m, his previous six months did that before he even pulled on a black and white shirt - and for those of you maintaining he did nothing wrong, watch all those games in that final six months again….
To summarise, he was a really good forward for us for most of his time here. Scored some important goals at important times and was part of the team that I absolutely LOVED in the way they came together as a unit and refused to lie down before the opposition. Then he either got fed up, or he just switched off, and as a result contributed to us going down with a whimper.
Shame, but his Burnley career is somewhat tainted for me.
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by gandhisflipflop » Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:52 am
How many goals has he scored for forest?
How many shots on target has he has for forest?
Very poor player glossed over by playing in a side that had the entire team built around him.
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by daveisaclaret » Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:59 am
Why did nobody on here ever post that the team was built around Chris Wood before we sold him?
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by tiger76 » Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:59 am
bobinho wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:50 am
Why can there be no middle ground here?
He’s either an exceptional striker, or not fit to play for Padiham.
Truth is somewhere in between, like it always is regardless of the subject, but even having said that, 1 in 3 is a great return at PL level. But it’s unfair to just “bully” people who’s opinion isn’t “Wood was superb”.
One of my favourites for a while. He was very effective for quite some time here. Scored some great goals and some very important goals, all contributing to us staying up.
I think what sticks in the craw for some people (me included) is that when we needed him to step up, work hard and get amongst it in that final relegation battle, he wasn’t there. His last 12 months was poor - the last 6 months nothing short of disgraceful from a professional athlete who was drawing a quite considerable wage.
So let’s not pretend he was Alan Shearer, but equally let’s not pretend he was Dele Adebola either.
His lack of goals for Newcastle doesn’t (in my view) vindicate the sale for £25m, his previous six months did that before he even pulled on a black and white shirt - and for those of you maintaining he did nothing wrong, watch all those games in that final six months again….
To summarise, he was a really good forward for us for most of his time here. Scored some important goals at important times and was part of the team that I absolutely LOVED in the way they came together as a unit and refused to lie down before the opposition. Then he either got fed up, or he just switched off, and as a result contributed to us going down with a whimper.
Shame, but his Burnley career is somewhat tainted for me.
Excellent post we got good service from Wood for 4 seasons, then for whatever reason he simply never turned up in that last 6 months, a sad way for his Burnley career to end, however that shouldn't detract from his prior achievements, namely his goals which kept us in the Prem for the proceeding 4 seasons.
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by warksclaret » Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:02 am
I saw him hooked off at Wolves (0-0) draw in his last season. Clearly not happy about it and went downhill from there
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by beddie » Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:06 am
Sounds to me like he has a very good Agent who knows what clauses should go into his contract. He was an excellent signing for us.
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by JTClaret » Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:10 am
Wood was alright.
Certainly wasn't rubbish, definitely wasn't great. 1 in 3 is decent, 1-2 is the top striker everyone wants (20 goals a season).
He was never a fan favourite, which a striker usually is - that's probably the issue.
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by ksrclaret » Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:17 am
Very good in both boxes on his day (he went through some absolutely rotten runs of form), but his presence was a large contributing factor as to why we were so utterly hopeless with the ball. It simply bounced off him time and time again as his technique is very poor.
Not for me.
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by claptrappers_union » Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:18 am
Chris Wood scored over 50 goals while we were playing top-flight football. Newcastle triggered a clause in this contract that allowed him to listen to their offer, and Burnley Football Club would probably get much more than we would've got for him if we were looking to improve on him anyway.
I have no issues with Chris Wood at all, but we had the best of him.
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by quoonbeatz » Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:38 pm
Pickles wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:20 am
After making three starts, Forest are obliged to make the loan permanent. A bizarrely low amount of games.
Sounds crackers doesn't it but it's not wildly different to what we're doing with Obafemi.
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by Steve1956 » Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:55 pm
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:23 pm
He gets the same treatment as Dyche from you, you belittle everything Dyche has done here and you're doing the same with Wood nie.
You're not right in the head that's for sure.
Just wait till the F1 season starts Sid,this guy will belittle everything Lewis Hamilton has ever done,he will tell us all Hamilton can't drive for toffee and hasn't a clue how he ever passed his driving test
Shaggy has an agenda with successful people,he is a mad as a box of frogs,ignoring him is for the best.
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by Stayingup » Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:07 pm
Shaggy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:28 pm
I’m not belittling him. It’s an opinion. If he was that good then he’d be at a top club scoring lots off goals. He isn’t either. He’s bang average. 189 premier league appearances and 54 goals. That’s 1 in 3.5 matches.
Your just a daft little snowflake who doesn’t like any views apart from your own.
Ironic
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by BFC88 » Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:32 pm
Chris Wood had a good scoring return and kept us in the Prem for a number of seasons. The problem our team had for a long time was our strikers had to create their own chances because with exception of McNeil we had zero creativity in the side. The midfield was absolute tosh.
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