Muric

[Pickles]

Thought he was the best passer on the pitch tonight.

Absolutely sublime.

We've been waxing lyrical about his passing for months, mate haven't we. We'll be promoted by the time some cotton on to just how important Muric's range of passing is. Tonight he took it to the extreme, showboating, playing in a back three. He's ace.

[RVclaret]

We've been waxing lyrical about his passing for months, mate haven't we. We'll be promoted by the time some cotton on to just how important Muric's range of passing is. Tonight he took it to the extreme, showboating, playing in a back three. He's ace.

He played an accurate first time ball with the outside of his foot while moving backwards. Loved it.

[Sheedyclaret]

Baller this lad

[Swizzlestick]

Quickly attaining cult status. He’s got obvious weaknesses but his use of the ball is an absolute joy and is absolutely crucial to our style. You’ve got to take the rough with the smooth with him / he’s going to give you kittens on set pieces but his distribution is nothing short of sensational.

[John Gayles Shoulder]

Their manager specifically highlighted how their inability to fluster him made it hard to successfully press us and win the ball higher up the pitch just now

Yes he makes errors and isn't the dominant figure of Pope, but those in the know clearly understand what he brings to us as a team and the way we play

[NewClaret]

His goalkeeping was ******* terrible though, apart from the late save.

I’m a fan, particularly with his distribution, but he is shocking at commanding his box.

“His goalkeeping was ******* terrible though”

Disagree. I see him making crucial saves every game.

I agree more about his ability to command the box, but couldn’t fault that tonight.

[RVclaret]

His goalkeeping was ******* terrible though, apart from the late save.

I’m a fan, particularly with his distribution, but he is shocking at commanding his box.

Could you explain? I didn’t think he did anything wrong, keeping wise tonight. No chance with the goal. Made a good save too.

[NewClaret]

Their manager specifically highlighted how their inability to fluster him made it hard to successfully press us and win the ball higher up the pitch just now

Yes he makes errors and isn't the dominant figure of Pope, but those in the know clearly understand what he brings to us as a team and the way we play

Yep, their manager understands the game. As does Vinny, which is why he signed him.

[boatshed bill]

The lad has been here 6 months and seems to be improving all the time.
Big boots (or you could say gloves) to fill after Pope and Heaton, but he's doing really well as part of our adventurous team.

[JohnDearyMe]

Could you explain? I didn’t think he did anything wrong, keeping wise tonight. No chance with the goal. Made a good save too.

Agreed. Defence were at fault for their goal (not to mention the foul) and he had one forced out of his 2 hands for their disallowed one. Other than that there wasn't a lot of goal mouth action in our box

[CrosspoolClarets]

Immense tonight. Looked to throw one in his own net but was fouled, replay showed it clearly. Only slightly iffy moment. Not just the passing was great but the intercepting of danger.

[MDWat]

Could you explain? I didn’t think he did anything wrong, keeping wise tonight. No chance with the goal. Made a good save too.

Got away with murder on the disallowed goal. I need to see the first one back but the header was 6 yards out. Where is he?

His distribution is mega, a huge part of how we play, but as a general goalkeeper he’s very hit and miss.

[MDWat]

“His goalkeeping was ******* terrible though”

Disagree. I see him making crucial saves every game.

I agree more about his ability to command the box, but couldn’t fault that tonight.

I wasn’t referring to every game, I was referring to tonight. His commanding of his box was really bad tonight in the first half. Obviously not in the second, as I don’t think they got there!

[RVclaret]

Got away with murder on the disallowed goal. I need to see the first one back but the header was 6 yards out. Where is he?

His distribution is mega, a huge part of how we play, but as a general goalkeeper he’s very hit and miss.

I think you need to watch a replay. He had it knocked out of his hands by the player. It was the right decision. The goal is an out swinging corner, it’s a nudge on Taylor and free header for them, think the defence should be questioned there. Not saying he’s perfect keeper, some bits obviously far from it, but you are being very harsh saying he was ‘******* terrible keeping tonight’. What about all the sweeping behind the high line? That’s part of keeping too.

[boatshed bill]

I wasn’t referring to every game, I was referring to tonight. His commanding of his box was really bad tonight in the first half. Obviously not in the second, as I don’t think they got there!

i don't see it as something he does well, but I don't see it as a priority for VK.
The passing, and nmore importantly the ability to receive back passes is clearly more important to our style of play.

[MDWat]

I think you need to watch a replay. He had it knocked out of his hands by the player. It was the right decision. The goal is an out swinging corner, it’s a nudge on Taylor and free header for them, think the defence should be questioned there. Not saying he’s perfect keeper, some bits obviously far from it, but you are being very harsh saying he was ‘******* terrible keeping tonight’. What about all the sweeping behind the high line? That’s part of keeping too.

Perhaps a touch harsh. It’s his commanding of his box where he’s a total liability. I’ve no problem with any other part of his game and I love his distribution.

I’ll watch a replay when I’m home and happy to hold my hands up if my view from the Bob Lord is impaired!

[NewClaret]

I wasn’t referring to every game, I was referring to tonight. His commanding of his box was really bad tonight in the first half. Obviously not in the second, as I don’t think they got there!

Honestly can’t recall a single time in the first or the second that he should have commanded his box better? After the 6th minute I dont remember them being anywhere near our box come to think of it.

[MDWat]

The goal and the disallowed goal. I thought he was poor on the goal (and having watched it back I still think so, he’s 6 yards out ffs) and terrible on the disallowed goal.

Otherwise, no problems at all with him.

[Clive 1960]

I think the first goal is down to a foul on Taylor and the disallowed goal I think he got fortunate on another day we could have been 2-0 down and then a mountain to climb , for me he as to come and command is six yard box , but is distribution is excellent.

[Lord_Bob]

The lad is learning. Seem to remember that the one criticism of Heaton was that he would not come for crosses. We got spoiled with Pope totally dominating the 6 yard box (and beyond), so the comparisons get tough.

He's got the physical attributes to dominate, just going to take time to figure it out (can someone get Billy Mercer back here?).

There's an Allison / Edison 'keeper in there. He is key to how we play beyond dominating the 6 yard box.

Support the lad.

[claretandy]

The disallowed goal is a foul all day long, you can't challenge a keeper when they have both feet off the ground, them's the rules.

[Matt_Whalley]

Big argument around us in the Longside upper last night with four gentlemen calling him “rubbish” and a few in front of them defending him.

Comparing Muric’s aerial ability to our last keeper is ridiculous. Nick Pope is one of the best in the world. We’re in the Championship.

In every other aspect of his game, Muric is excellent and a big part of why we are where we are.

Worth remembering that we’ve only conceded 3 goals in the last 9 games.

[OffTheBar]

The goal and the disallowed goal. I thought he was poor on the goal (and having watched it back I still think so, he’s 6 yards out ffs) and terrible on the disallowed goal.

Otherwise, no problems at all with him.

The guy headed it out of his hands. He had two hands on it. It’s a clear foul; you can’t blame him for that - it’s absurd to do so.

[Spijed]

An interesting debate.

We are where we are because of how good Muric is with his passing.

Newcastle are where they are in the league due to how good Nick Pope is at shot stopping.

Would Eddie Howe and Vincent Kompany swap?

[taio]

An interesting debate.

We are where we are because of how good Muric is with his passing.

Newcastle are where they are in the league due to how good Nick Pope is at shot stopping.

Would Eddie Howe and Vincent Kompany swap?

Neither of those things are true.

[helmclaret]

I’ve been impressed by him since the first game of the season at Huddersfield.

His concentration levels, technique and clarity of thought is something special.

[claretspice]

The goal and the disallowed goal. I thought he was poor on the goal (and having watched it back I still think so, he’s 6 yards out ffs) and terrible on the disallowed goal.

Otherwise, no problems at all with him.

All opinions, but I'm sorry, in my view this is rubbish and it's reasoned from a predisposed belief Muric is weak from corners and so if we concede from a corner it must therefore be because Muric has been weak.

I don't think many, if any, keepers would come for the WBA goal. It's a really good flat pacey cross fired into a really congested area towards the near post. The cross is neither high enough nor deep enough for him to be favourite even before you factor in he'd be coming through a ruck of bodies.

The disallowed goal just isn't controversial. He gets the ball under control and is barged. Which is why WBA barely complained and Sky didn't see it as worth including in their highlights package. You can't criticise a keeper or mark him down for being fouled.

There were literally no other crosses in the first half that were remotely in his remit to deal with.

Muric was really good last night. Really good.

[Big Vinny K]

All opinions, but I'm sorry, in my view this is rubbish and it's reasoned from a predisposed belief Muric is weak from corners and so if we concede from a corner it must therefore be because Muric has been weak.

I don't think many, if any, keepers would come for the WBA goal. It's a really good flat pacey cross fired into a really congested area towards the near post. The cross is neither high enough nor deep enough for him to be favourite even before you factor in he'd be coming through a ruck of bodies.

The disallowed goal just isn't controversial. He gets the ball under control and is barged. Which is why WBA barely complained and Sky didn't see it as worth including in their highlights package. You can't criticise a keeper or mark him down for being fouled.

There were literally no other crosses in the first half that were remotely in his remit to deal with.

Muric was really good last night. Really good.

Absolutely spot on post.
He was actually MoM for me.
Best display of passing / kicking I have ever seen by a burnley keeper. Made an important stop too in second half and absolutely no fault at all for their goal - no way does any keeper come out to try and collect corners taken at that height and that pace. Anybody who expects a keeper to do that would think the keeper should collect every corner I assume

[claretspice]

He's not the finished article as a keeper (still very young) and noone would argue he's not got room for improvement in the air. He's not especially confident under crosses and there's definitely an element of the first couple setting the tone for whether he'll have a good day or be shaky. It'd just that last night there weren't those couple that he could deal with to set the tone and he did nothing wrong at all.

You are right about his distribution- genuinely world class- and it was a brave save in the second half, down amongst the boots.

[RVclaret]

All opinions, but I'm sorry, in my view this is rubbish and it's reasoned from a predisposed belief Muric is weak from corners and so if we concede from a corner it must therefore be because Muric has been weak.

I don't think many, if any, keepers would come for the WBA goal. It's a really good flat pacey cross fired into a really congested area towards the near post. The cross is neither high enough nor deep enough for him to be favourite even before you factor in he'd be coming through a ruck of bodies.

The disallowed goal just isn't controversial. He gets the ball under control and is barged. Which is why WBA barely complained and Sky didn't see it as worth including in their highlights package. You can't criticise a keeper or mark him down for being fouled.

There were literally no other crosses in the first half that were remotely in his remit to deal with.

Muric was really good last night. Really good.

Spot on

[helmclaret]

Apart from Pope, most premier league keepers are weak dealing with high balls.

If he had come for that corner last night and got blocked by the players in front of him and flapped people would have jumped on him for that!

[Granny WeatherWax]

While West Brom goalkeeper Alex Palmer completed 21 of 39 passes (54 per cent success rate) and 11 of 29 long balls (38 per cent success rate), Arijanet Muric, his counterpart, had the highest pass success rate of any player on either team to have played more than 45 minutes in the match.

[MDWat]

I don’t agree on the two balls into the box. I do enjoy you telling me where my opinion is reasoned from though. Hilariously arrogant and patronising.

I do agree that his distribution is absolutely brilliant and have said so on countless threads throughout the season.

[ksrclaret]

Exquisite and outrageous distribution all night.

We genuinely have 11 outfield players on the pitch. There might only be ourselves and City who can say that.

[Granny WeatherWax]

I don’t agree on the two balls into the box. I do enjoy you telling me where my opinion is reasoned from though. Hilariously arrogant and patronising.

I do agree that his distribution is absolutely brilliant and have said so on countless threads throughout the season.

He’s right though isn’t he. Only someone with a prejudged views can come to the conclusion you have about Muric last night.

[NewClaret]

Exquisite and outrageous distribution all night.

We genuinely have 11 outfield players on the pitch. There might only be ourselves and City who can say that.

And he makes us look like we had 12. Corberan had it right saying they couldn’t get the ball off us because of Muric.

[IWOODLOVETT]

Muric is a year younger than when Nick Pope made his debut for us, he is significantly taller and broader and his distribution is far, far better. However he can’t deal with high balls under pressure, which I think Pope was also vulnerable to in his early days.
Pope is 30 now, has learnt to overcome his shortcomings and is a world class keeper.

If our man can learn to deal with the ‘up and unders’ I think he can become as good as any of the current Premiership goalkeepers.

[claretspice]

I don’t agree on the two balls into the box. I do enjoy you telling me where my opinion is reasoned from though. Hilariously arrogant and patronising.

I do agree that his distribution is absolutely brilliant and have said so on countless threads throughout the season.

Mate, I'm sorry if you found it patronising or arrogant. But you are in a minority of one here. Ive not seen anyone else, Burnley fan, expert pundit or neutral, criticise Muric for the goal, and the consensus across the board (including as I said from West Brom, given the lack of complaint) is that Muric was fouled on the other occasion. You are being hyper critical of someone everyone else thinks had a good game on the night. Stick with the opinion, fine, but they're there to be shot at.

[Winstonswhite]

The disallowed goal just isn't controversial. He gets the ball under control and is barged. Which is why WBA barely complained and Sky didn't see it as worth including in their highlights package. You can't criticise a keeper or mark him down for being fouled.

Sorry but I disagree about their disallowed goal. Can only assume that you haven’t seen a replay? It definitely can’t be described as a barge- and the West Brom players did appeal.

Muric actually jumps into their player who was jumping straight up, with eyes only on the ball, catches it then fumbles it into the net.

Not this game, as it works against us as well- when a keeper challenges for the ball, any kind of contact (even if they themselves instigate it) and they get the foul which is wrong in my opinion.

[MDWat]

I’ve absolutely no problem with reasoned debate, one of the best things about this board. I’ve no issue with people having a different opinion to mine nor people challenging them. It’d be boring if we all agreed.

I’ve watched the goal countless times. It’s a lovely ball in but I still think he’s too flat footed. He’s an absolute monster at 6ft 6 and I just think he should be far more dominant than he is. I said earlier up the thread that I haven’t seen the disallowed goal back so if I’m wrong on that, I’m happy to hold my hands up.

Any suggestion that I’ve made a judgment on the goal and disallowed goal because I have a preconceptions about him are just untrue. I regularly score him higher than most on the player ratings and have often defended him on this board when many others slaughter him.

I can acknowledge my immediate comment that his goalkeeping was bad was over the top, but I do expect more when the ball comes into the box from him, including the goal.

[boatshed bill]

I'm a big fan of Muric, but he fumbled that ball in my humble opinion. Got away with one there.

[RVclaret]

I'm a big fan of Muric, but he fumbled that ball in my humble opinion. Got away with one there.

The replay from behind the goal showed the WBA player knock the ball out of his hands while he had 2 on it and was mid air. Have you seen this angle?

[taio]

I thought at the time we were fortunate for the goal to be disallowed. But I haven't seen a replay. Either way Muric played very well indeed.

[boatshed bill]

The replay from behind the goal showed the WBA player knock the ball out of his hands while he had 2 on it and was mid air. Have you seen this angle?

Was it similar to what happened to Nick Pope vs Newcastle last season?

[helmclaret]

I’ve absolutely no problem with reasoned debate, one of the best things about this board. I’ve no issue with people having a different opinion to mine nor people challenging them. It’d be boring if we all agreed.

I’ve watched the goal countless times. It’s a lovely ball in but I still think he’s too flat footed. He’s an absolute monster at 6ft 6 and I just think he should be far more dominant than he is. I said earlier up the thread that I haven’t seen the disallowed goal back so if I’m wrong on that, I’m happy to hold my hands up.

Any suggestion that I’ve made a judgment on the goal and disallowed goal because I have a preconceptions about him are just untrue. I regularly score him higher than most on the player ratings and have often defended him on this board when many others slaughter him.

I can acknowledge my immediate comment that his goalkeeping was bad was over the top, but I do expect more when the ball comes into the box from him, including the goal.

Do you really think he would be playing for us if he was flawless?

Enjoy what he gives us as it’s special.
I’m still waiting for all these goals he was going to give away this season that people were banging on about in Sept/Oct.

[Muric Leggings]

I thought at the time we were fortunate for the goal to be disallowed. But I haven't seen a replay. Either way Muric played very well indeed.

It's his leggings looks and plays like Ederson not bad is he

[Spijed]

Do you really think he would be playing for us if he was flawless?

Enjoy what he gives us as it’s special.
I’m still waiting for all these goals he was going to give away this season that people were banging on about in Sept/Oct.

I thought we'd concede far, far more than we have done, which is absolutely brilliant.

I haven't got a clue how it's going to work out when we start playing better opposition on a weekly basis though.

[Devils_Advocate]

Was it similar to what happened to Nick Pope vs Newcastle last season?

No Pope came a long way and jumped over a group of players and it was Pope who landed on one of those players (who had stood still and not made any movement towards Pope) banging the ball against him and losing control of it. Last night it was the West Brom player who moved towards and knocked into Muric when Muric was easily collecting the ball.

[Spijed]

No Pope came a long way and jumped over a group of players and it was Pope who landed on one of those players (who had stood still and not made any movement towards Pope) banging the ball against him and losing control of it. Last night it was the West Brom player who moved towards and knocked into Muric when Muric was easily collecting the ball.

Fouled or not, I'd certainly expect someone of his size to be a bit more imposing than he actually is. 6ft 7in

[Devils_Advocate]

Fouled or not, I'd certainly expect someone of his size to be a bit more imposing than he actually is. 6ft 7in

You might but then again you've spent all this season looking for every negative you can find which is a 100% contradiction to the position you took previously you when you would actively argue against any criticism of the club and team.

No problem with a balanced view of things that are going well and things that could be improved but an obsessive focus on every little issue when we are romping the league and playing some of the best football a lot of us have ever seen Burnley play in our lifetimes seems a bit sad to me