January transfer window rumours.

[jedi_master]

Surely it has to be permanent, can we even loan anyone else (r.e Obafemi).

[Boxy]

We have 1 more loan spot available and that's before we send back hali

[Clive 1960]

If we have got Obafemi on loan does that mean the 4 million will go to paying for the midfielder we are after ?

[jedi_master]

We have 1 more loan spot available and that's before we send back hali

Ah fair enough.

[ClaretAL]

Obafemi again... I think its fair to say its happening, and CT may just have to slightly edit the one he had ready in the summer maybe ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64413302

[Rowls]

£3 Million!

Hahaha! How much did they turn down in the summer?

[HistoricalClaret]

£3 Million!

Hahaha! How much did they turn down in the summer?

8 rising to 10 with addons

[IanMcL]

Obafemi

Swansea Independent.

The coaching staff will breath a huge sigh of relief if the final knockings of this ridiculous saga can be brought to a conclusion today. Obafemi has been problematic since arriving at the club as Burnley will soon find out.

Let's hope he is not a pain but a good guy!

[RVclaret]

Alex James now reporting it as a loan with an option to buy of 3.5m. Quite a lot of differing in numbers with Foster and Obafemi lately.

Nixon still saying it’s a buy.

[Lancasterclaret]

Nixon is saying its a buy

[Rick_Muller]

Obafemi

Swansea Independent.

The coaching staff will breath a huge sigh of relief if the final knockings of this ridiculous saga can be brought to a conclusion today. Obafemi has been problematic since arriving at the club as Burnley will soon find out.

Let's hope he is not a pain but a good guy!

He wasn’t a problem for them in the summer when they turned down our significantly higher offer

[nil_desperandum]

Many wrote Jack Cork off at the start of this season

Not sure that's quite true, but many people (inc myself) did say that we needed an upgrade in midfield for the Premier League.
He's been outstanding this season, but bearing in mind how many bookings he's had, it does rather suggest that he would have struggled had we not been relegated. The difference in standard between PL and Championship has been clear to see.

[Ric_C]

Penny for Scott Twines thoughts right now. Gets his chance, scores a worldie... and then we sign two more strikers

[gandhisflipflop]

Penny for Scott Twines thoughts right now. Gets his chance, scores a worldie... and then we sign two more strikers

He will be reyt. Looking at the videos of foster it looks like he can play in an inside forward role on either wing. Could be in VKs thoughts

[dermotdermot]

Did we really need to sign Obafemi?

[BigChaCha]

Ric_C: Penny for Scott Twines thoughts right now. Gets his chance, scores a worldie... and then we sign two more strikers

He's not an out-and-out striker for me and is not a like-for-like comparison with those 2 new strikers...

He could play in 3 or 4 positions; As a false 9, a 10, the advanced role Brownhill has been playing or even further out wide.

[Colburn_Claret]

I'm slightly surprised we're still going for Obafemi but pleased. Barnes is apparently on a hefty wage so if we did allow him to leave, we'd have a solid challenge between Foster, Obafemi and Jay for the one spot.

According to that Swans report, 'Burnley are prepared to pick up his 'Obafemi's', heavy wages'.
How much he is on, and how it compares to our wage structure, I have no idea.

[jedi_master]

I think we need to remember it's 9 subs in the Premier League.

It goes without saying, some people are not going to be making the bench. If we assume that BPF will obviously be on there, and that Ekdal/Taylor are going to either be the starting defender or bench option whilst THB is injured, and that Vitinho will be on there with Roberts starting - we basically have to choose 3 starting and four subs out of:

Bastien, Brownhill, Gudmundsson, Tella, Churlinov, Benson, Zaroury, Twine, Rodriguez, Barnes, Obafemi and Foster.

Choosing seven out of that will leave some disappointed each week, but that becomes 9 if we go up. I think we're making moves to build the squad he wants for next season.

If Twine starts and does well at Ipswich, he is probably then in the box seat to start against Norwich whilst Cork is suspended. He could be well in the picture in that 10 position so I wouldn't worry.

[gandhisflipflop]

Did we really need to sign Obafemi?

For that price? It’s a no brainer

[HistoricalClaret]

Twine literally isnt a striker hes a left wing/ 10 hes competing with brownhill, Gudmonson and zaryoury. Obafemi has been bought to compete with Foster with Jay rod and Barnes not being up to snuff for next year

[Colburn_Claret]

I think Barnes has had the perfect swansong of a season, and if he does leave, then having your last two goals and one of your best performances to be against Bastards isn't a bad way to do it

I think if an offer comes in for a chance of regular first team football he will take it, and good luck to him if and when that happens

I think this is it. I would love Ash to stay, but if he can get, and wants regular football, he might just prefer to leave with his head held high. Whichever I'd leave the decision to Ash.

[BigChaCha]

According to that Swans report, 'Burnley are prepared to pick up his 'Obafemi's', heavy wages'.

While we are on parachute payments, our wages, although much reduced from last year will be quite a bit heavier than a lot of teams at this level. Well for a season or maybe even 2 at this level anyway.

[ClaretAL]

Rob Davies claiming its a loan...

https://planetswans.co.uk/2023/01/26/ob ... loan-deal/

I hope that doesn't include a clause saying he must play, considering he never played for the Swans.

[mdd2]

A loan with a view to buy makes more sense as we can assess if he is someone capable ******* into the Burnley tent, in which case we can move on this summer and look elsewhere

[IWOODLOVETT]

The signings in this window are all in positions where we have loan players, so it looks like the Club anticipates that all of them will be recalled.

With these additions the squad is now top heavy and a clear-out is inevitable, so it’s likely that Barnes, Derv and maybe even Corky, Jay, Charlie and JBG will be off-loaded sooner or later.

I think that once promotion is achieved we will see a completely different defence, midfield and attack with no loanees involved.

[Marney&Mee]

Looking good up front for next season. Weghorst up top with Obefami and Foster either side

[HiThere]

A loan with a view to buy makes more sense as we can assess if he is someone capable ******* into the Burnley tent, in which case we can move on this summer and look elsewhere

But I've read we'll have an obligation to buy.

[nil_desperandum]

The signings in this window are all in positions where we have loan players, so it looks like the Club anticipates that all of them will be recalled.

Really can't imagine Chelsea seeing Maatsen as a regular starter, and if Southampton wanted Tella they would have surely recalled him by now given their league position.
Dervisoglu won't be recalled, we'll simply return him since he will have been replaced by Foster and Obafemi.
Signing the 2 centre backs does however strengthen our hand when negotiating for Beyer and THB, since we can walk away.

[RicardoMontalban]

The signings in this window are all in positions where we have loan players, so it looks like the Club anticipates that all of them will be recalled.

With these additions the squad is now top heavy and a clear-out is inevitable, so it’s likely that Barnes, Derv and maybe even Corky, Jay, Charlie and JBG will be off-loaded sooner or later.

I think that once promotion is achieved we will see a completely different defence, midfield and attack with no loanees involved.

Or the club accept the loans are unlikely to turn into permanent moves in the summer. Not seen any suggestions of recalls anywhere.

[burnley007]

Or the club accept the loans are unlikely to turn into permanent moves in the summer. Not seen any suggestions of recalls anywhere.

Maybe we already know the prices to turn these loans into permanents and don't fancy paying that, (Or would rather wait until we are actually promoted 1st?)

[SalisburyClaret]

Penny for Scott Twines thoughts right now. Gets his chance, scores a worldie... and then we sign two more strikers

Definitely an attacking midfielder / No 10

[MancunianClaret]

For that price? It’s a no brainer

100% a no brainer. Almost no risk in signing him at that price. If he doesn't perform or becomes surplus to requirements we can almost certainly make the money back on him. Swans wanted £10M in summer.

[Foshiznik]

Not sure that's quite true, but many people (inc myself) did say that we needed an upgrade in midfield for the Premier League.
He's been outstanding this season, but bearing in mind how many bookings he's had, it does rather suggest that he would have struggled had we not been relegated. The difference in standard between PL and Championship has been clear to see.

Search the terms “resign cork” and “release cork” from June and you will see it was at best 60/40 to retain or replace him for this season.

[AGENT_CLARET]

While we are on parachute payments, our wages, although much reduced from last year will be quite a bit heavier than a lot of teams at this level. Well for a season or maybe even 2 at this level anyway.

We aren't on parachute payments

[nil_desperandum]

Search the terms “resign cork” and “release cork” from June and you will see it was at best 60/40 to retain or replace him for this season.

Not sure that that particularly contradicts what I wrote. Indeed I admitted to having reservations myself. Many thought that we should be seeking out a younger version to build for the future.
What we have discovered is that he is still a very good player at Championship level but the gulf between the 2 divisions is getting wider.
I also happen to believe that he should have played more games last season.

[Tricky Trevor]

We aren't on parachute payments

Yes we are.

[RVclaret]

We aren't on parachute payments

Of course we are.

[quoonbeatz]

We aren't on parachute payments

[Selby Claret]

Yes we are.

Parachute payments don’t kick in for the first year and aren’t given to you at all if you go back up

[AGENT_CLARET]

Yes we are.

Look it up, we aren't

[RVclaret]

Parachute payments don’t kick in for the first year and aren’t given to you at all if you go back up

That’s not correct. They 100% do get given to you even if you go up. It’s highly likely we’ve already had a large portion of them paid.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Laugh all you want but you need to get your facts right before you laugh

[RVclaret]

Laugh all you want but you need to get your facts right before you laugh

If I was you, I would get your facts right before telling others to.

To help you, here is a link to Fulham’s accounts:

https://twitter.com/swissramble/status/ ... l9rXMK3TOw

Check the 2020 (Championship) column and then ‘Central Awards’ which reads 42.5m, this was their year 1 parachute payment.

They got promoted that season.

[Lancasterclaret]

It might be called something else, but a relegated team defo get a big chunk of cash from the PL TV deal the season straight after they get relegated

[claretonthecoast1882]

It might be called something else, but a relegated team defo get a big chunk of cash from the PL TV deal the season straight after they get relegated

For most of the 1st year it is knows as a skydiving dividend, then as you near the end a chord is pulled and you qualify for a parachute payment

[Vegas Claret]

No idea how legit this is but they are quoting Mike Mcgrath

[AGENT_CLARET]

It might be called something else, but a relegated team defo get a big chunk of cash from the PL TV deal the season straight after they get relegated

Spot on, Parachute payment

[Chester Perry]

Laugh all you want but you need to get your facts right before you laugh

The club would have really struggled without its circa £44m 'parachute payment' (yes it is a nick name but still generally understood and used) this season - considering MSD will take around £3.6m interest payments in the current financial year on top of the £32.2m+ capital reduction last summer (not forgetting the early repayment penalty that went with that of anything between £3m - £7m given it was to make up for the lost interest payments between then and December 2025)

[AGENT_CLARET]

The club would have really struggled without its circa £44m parachute payment this season - considering MSD will take around £3.6m interest payments in the current financial year on top of the £32.2m+ capital reduction last summer (not forgetting the early repayment penalty that went with that of anything between £3m - £7m given it was to make up for the lost interest payments between then and December 2025)

In the end of the year account's is it listed "parachute payments"

If you haven't got it yet I'm being picky like when loads of you jump all over a spelling mistake

[pushpinpussy]

Regarding all these theories on parachute payments. I believe you are all jumping to conclusions.