ARTICLE: Clubs should hang their heads in shame over derby tickets

[AGENT_CLARET]

How quick would this be deleted if it was posted from anybody else on this message board? Lack of class.

No, we've read it wrong ( see you in 48hrs)

[Vince Fontaine]

This is all a result of Blackburn giving a us a shocking allocation of tickets. There was never going to be a 'fair' way of doing this and loyal, diehard fans were always going to miss out.

I'm on 4500 points and I feel aggreived. I've had a season ticket for 15+ years with a break in between for Uni. My points pre-Uni magically disappeared. I feel I deserve a ticket, but it is what it is.

Like I say all goes back to the scandalous, petty allocation all because they are jealous of our club!

Just imagine how you’d feel if you had over 11,000 and some one with 5000 less than you got a ticket because in the clubs eyes they were more “loyal”. Loyalty works both ways unless you are Burnley Football Club.
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[Down_Rover]

Perhaps the fairest way is a ballot for fans with over 6000 points but to restrict how often you can win the ballot. This is give all true fans a chance

The danger is that if you give higher priority to those with 8,10 or 12k points you will end up with a closed shop where membership is impossible. My 18 year old son has been a season ticket holder for 10 years and still has only 5300 points

So to make the qualification higher than 6000 will deter youngsters from supporting the club

[fidelcastro]

There would have been no problem at all if everyone had just done the right thing and boycotted once this ridiculous allocation was made public.

[Vince Fontaine]

The mistake is thinking that perhaps a business cares about your custom or loyalty any business first & foremost cares about generating maximum profit with little interest in anything else, separating a football club what is essentially a business can be blurred emotional detachment away from reality.

And the business requires and wants people (customers) to spend. Not a penny more from me other than my season ticket. All the other stuff they can go whistle. Pay for the season ticket up front on a credit card that way they can wait until the season is finished before they get their money.

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[fidelcastro]

Perhaps the fairest way is a ballot for fans with over 6000 points but to restrict how often you can win the ballot. This is give all true fans a chance

The danger is that if you give higher priority to those with 8,10 or 12k points you will end up with a closed shop where membership is impossible. My 18 year old son has been a season ticket holder for 10 years and still has only 5300 points

So to make the qualification higher than 6000 will deter youngsters from supporting the club

It doesn't though, does it?

I saw plenty of youngsters at Blackpool who must've been under the age of ten. It would simply be impossible for them to have the required number of points, but there are always ways around these things as we all know.

[NRC]

The only poor point from BFC has been taking the tickets. We should have told them to ram it. Ballot was the fairest way. Whilst I disagree with taking the tickets, the club should be applauded for dishing them out as they have.

to this post and others saying the same thing, the club is not entitled to do that. Article 35.3.2 states that clubs are required to sell tickets for their away matches if required to do so by the Home Club

The only way BFC could have "stuck it to 'em" is if it didn't put the tickets on sale to its fans - but then BFC would have to pay for those tickets as they are effectively sold (just not distributed)...

Along come law suits from disgruntled away fans who didn't get "their" ticket

[the_magic_rat]

I remember driving to Gillingham in 1980 for a Tuesday night match that ended 0-0. Thanks for the reminder.

Nothing wrong with the post-match leftover sandwiches from a darts match somewhere on the Old Kent Road though!

[Vince Fontaine]

Perhaps the fairest way is a ballot for fans with over 6000 points but to restrict how often you can win the ballot. This is give all true fans a chance

The danger is that if you give higher priority to those with 8,10 or 12k points you will end up with a closed shop where membership is impossible. My 18 year old son has been a season ticket holder for 10 years and still has only 5300 points

So to make the qualification higher than 6000 will deter youngsters from supporting the club

He could still go and watch them at Rotherham Reading and Bristol 30 more points. Stopping someone with over 11000 points going and letting someone with 6000 points is exactly the same..

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[FCBurnley]

It’s the price you pay for supporting such a massive successful team

[ChristheViking]

There would have been no problem at all if everyone had just done the right thing and boycotted once this ridiculous allocation was made public.

One of the more bizarre notions in this whole episode is the belief of some that somehow a boycott was ever going to happen.

Cloud cuckoo land.

Whatever # of tickets we got were going to be sold one way or the other.

Those fans who have been fortunate enough to get tickets can still boycott the event if they want - let's see how many volunteer to take the hit to make the wider point - it'll be somewhere between none and zero.

[fidelcastro]

One of the more bizarre notions in this whole episode is the belief of some that somehow a boycott was ever going to happen.

Cloud cuckoo land.

Whatever # of tickets we got were going to be sold one way or the other.

Those fans who have been fortunate enough to get tickets can still boycott the event if they want - let's see how many volunteer to take the hit to make the wider point - it'll be somewhere between none and zero.

Anyone planning to boycott shouldn't be applying to enter a ballot, so that makes no sense.

When I saw this pitiful allocation, it took me all of about two seconds to decide I wasn't going and leaving it to chance via a raffle!

[Hipper]

Tony, I'm sorry you've missed out. You really did deserve to be successful for the hard work you've put into anything connected with Club, be it as a supporter, or on committees.

As I put on another thread, " don't buy a thing from that lot". If they order 1,000 pies, our supporters should leave them with 1,000 pies. It's not much, but but they'd probably have to give them away to the needy.

Would that affect Blackburn? Maybe the sellers are franchises that pay the club for the pitch and profit from sales.

[bobinho]

Just imagine how you’d feel if you had over 11,000 and some one with 5000 less than you got a ticket because in the clubs eyes they were more “loyal”. Loyalty works both ways unless you are Burnley Football Club.
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That hasn't happened.

[Vegas Claret]

There would have been no problem at all if everyone had just done the right thing and boycotted once this ridiculous allocation was made public.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^this

[KRBFC]

They should be treated the same. We can’t persist with a system that rewards people just for being older. I think the suggestion of a 4-5 year rolling period for loyalty points would be fairer, the current system has run its course (and I say that as someone who benefits from it).

That 10 year old started supporting Burnley in the PL,

When I started attending games the Turf was less than half full, now we've got a bunch of PL cling on plastic fans. That is great for our attendances but nonsense if you think they deserve the same priority as someone like Tony.

[bobinho]

He could still go and watch them at Rotherham Reading and Bristol 30 more points. Stopping someone with over 11000 points going and letting someone with 6000 points is exactly the same..

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That hasn't happened.

[martin_p]

One of the more bizarre notions in this whole episode is the belief of some that somehow a boycott was ever going to happen.

Cloud cuckoo land.

Whatever # of tickets we got were going to be sold one way or the other.

Those fans who have been fortunate enough to get tickets can still boycott the event if they want - let's see how many volunteer to take the hit to make the wider point - it'll be somewhere between none and zero.

I don’t get the boycott thing. Rovers have already shown they want as few there as possible within the rules of the competition and aren’t bothered about the money they lose by doing so. Taking any less than our full allocation would be playing right into their hands. By all means don’t spend anything in the ground but those that are going should make as much noise as possible and help deliver the best justice, a massive defeat for Rovers.

[Down_Rover]

He could still go and watch them at Rotherham Reading and Bristol 30 more points. Stopping someone with over 11000 points going and letting someone with 6000 points is exactly the same..

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Well he is going to Rotherham and hopefully Bristol but you have missed the point. You have 11000 points and I have 9000 but only because we are both older than him

To attract younger fans the line has to be drawn somewhere that gives all a chance to get in the ballot. Those of us with higher points will not miss out every time if there is a restriction on the number of ballots you can win

[RVclaret]

A boycott was never, ever, ever going to happen.

File under ‘1000s of Burnley fans in the home ends and 1000s in town’.

[martin_p]

That 10 year old started supporting Burnley in the PL,

When I started attending games the Turf was less than half full, now we've got a bunch of PL cling on plastic fans. That is great for our attendances but nonsense if you think they deserve the same priority as someone like Tony.

And those who have been going 60 years started when we were one of the best teams in the country. Do they deserve less priority as well?

[dougcollins]

I'd have allocated them on alphabetical order.

Fairest way.

Fair point, Aaron.

[KRBFC]

Well he is going to Rotherham and hopefully Bristol but you have missed the point. You have 11000 points and I have 9000 but only because we are both older than him

To attract younger fans the line has to be drawn somewhere that gives all a chance to get in the ballot. Those of us with higher points will not miss out every time if there is a restriction on the number of ballots you can win

Sometimes you have to stick by the die hard loyal customers/fans and not focus on new fans/customers.

[Flying Without Ings]

I'm surprised about the amount of dummies being spat out. I missed out but it's not the end of the world. I've loved every minute of this season so I won't lose sleep over missing one game. Shame that an article knocking us has been published when the club were put in a hopeless position, but I doubt they'll lose sleep over that either.

[Down_Rover]

It doesn't though, does it?

I saw plenty of youngsters at Blackpool who must've been under the age of ten. It would simply be impossible for them to have the required number of points, but there are always ways around these things as we all know.

That is not the fault of the system, it is fans cheating the system. Probably the ones who complain the loudest.
I have 9000 points and could not get a ticket.

[Inchy]

Bet Dave Burnley gets a ticket

[andyh]

Points systems that have been running a long time end up being unfair in their own way.

It is a “how old are you” system by another name.

And to me that is not the way to encourage new fans. If allocated on highest first then i doubt there would have been a fan under 45 with a ticket.

[fidelcastro]

That is not the fault of the system, it is fans cheating the system. Probably the ones who complain the loudest.
I have 9000 points and could not get a ticket.

Agreed. It definitely isn't right. My point was that people will get tickets for younger fans if they want to.

[Nori1958]

Bet Dave Burnley gets a ticket

All posts mentioning this have gone.........

[KRBFC]

And those who have been going 60 years started when we were one of the best teams in the country. Do they deserve less priority as well?

Did they stick with the club during the fall?

Some of the home attendances under Cotterill were sub 10k, now we've had a few years in the PL they're 20k+

Glory seekers is a term I'd use. Now don't get me wrong, it's great the club is thriving and I hope we never return to 10k at home games but this was a moment for BFC to do the right thing by those that were travelling up and down the country when we were sh!te.

[fidelcastro]

Bet Dave Burnley gets a ticket

Obviously.

I bet he went to every game when fans weren't allowed in during COVID too.

[Goalposts]

As i reread this thread , i think the title does Burnley football club a disservice, the only club that is shamed by this behaviour is Rovers

[Bordeauxclaret]

Always a shame when people miss out but it’s Rovers at fault here.

The article would have come across better if it was published when the ballot was announced in my opinion.

[Blue Skies]

Come into this discussion late but the clue is in the title "It's a ballot" One ticket or a hundred doesn't guarantee a winner. My cynism is with historic proof is that people like Tony, Dave Burnley, Leisure etc always prevail because of history. This has proved me wrong. These people deserve to be up front but we all have to play the game. Blackburn has caused this mess and BFC has had to deal with something that is unprecedented. Yes communication is ******** but let's try to be pragmatic here. BRFC are the villains. I would love 2 or 3 thousand ticketless fans to turn and show this up for what it is but that isn't going to happen. I have connections Tony and will reach out. If anything comes of it I will contact you, failing that let's look at Corporate.

[martin_p]

Did they stick with the club during the fall?

Some of the home attendances under Cotterill were sub 10k, now we've had a few years in the PL they're 20k+

Glory seekers is a term I'd use. Now don't get me wrong, it's great the club is thriving and I hope we never return to 10k at home games but this was a moment for BFC to do the right thing by those that were travelling up and down the country when we were sh!te.

It’s 16 years since Cotterill left, you can have 11k+ points even if you never went on a single game during his tenure.

[Down_Rover]

Sometimes you have to stick by the die hard loyal customers/fans and not focus on new fans/customers.

Good evening KBRC. Missed you

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Did they stick with the club during the fall?

Some of the home attendances under Cotterill were sub 10k, now we've had a few years in the PL they're 20k+

Glory seekers is a term I'd use. Now don't get me wrong, it's great the club is thriving and I hope we never return to 10k at home games but this was a moment for BFC to do the right thing by those that were travelling up and down the country when we were sh!te.

How would you even work this!? I went to more away games when we were shite during the times you mentioned as I was younger and didn’t have any other commitments.

Maybe we could have a rule where proof of attendance at certain ‘historical’ fixtures away like Hartlepool on a Tuesday night in the early 1990’s or Brighton away on Boxing Day automatically guarantee you a ticket for small away allocations!

[OffTheBar]

And if you went to every division 4 match, all Mullen games, Waddle, Heath etc., but missed a few years in the past 10/15, you could have well under 6k.

[helmclaret]

Personally I think if you were at that Luton away game when Spicer went in goal and Ade scored the hat trick you should get priority.

[KRBFC]

How would you even work this!? I went to more away games when we were shite during the times you mentioned as I was younger and didn’t have any other commitments.

Maybe we could have a rule where proof of attendance at certain ‘historical’ fixtures away like Hartlepool on a Tuesday night in the early 1990’s or Brighton away on Boxing Day automatically guarantee you a ticket for small away allocations!

I was at Hartlepool away midweek under Coyle and I agree, should be worth triple points.

The club should also organise a seated Burnley exam pre 2010 with points up for grabs.

[Blue Skies]

SHP I was at Brighton and Hartlepool but I had a great time at both apart from the 90 mins. Telford FA Cup away should be the yardstick

[helmclaret]

A test would be a good idea. Like a citizenship or 11 plus style one.

[Nori1958]

Personally I think if you were at that Luton away game when Spicer went in goal and Ade scored the hat trick you should get priority.

Lincoln away, cup replay, late 70s....1 coach , most will be dead now, so the few remaining should get first dibs

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

I was at Hartlepool away midweek under Coyle and I agree, should be worth triple points.

The club should also organise a seated Burnley exam pre 2010 with points up for grabs.

Sorry I’m going back to Jimmy Mullen days at Hartlepool away. Equally if you were at Stafford Rangers in the cup that should bump you up the list.

[KRBFC]

Burnley trivia (pre PL so pre 2009) would've been a fair way to hand out the tickets imo.

[fidelcastro]

Sorry I’m going back to Jimmy Mullen days at Hartlepool away. Equally if you were at Stafford Rangers in the cup that should bump you up the list.

And the Stafford game only counts if you remember Stan Collymore scoring an own goal and 'participated' in the fence collapsing at the front of the terrace!

[Blue Skies]

Lincoln away 1 0 Fletcher. I travelled with CT that night. Stafford away doesn't count unless you were crushed by the collapsing wall. Newcastle away in the league 1974 is the true test. Arranged on Saturday night for following midweek, even Dave Burnley missed that.

[box_of_frogs]

to this post and others saying the same thing, the club is not entitled to do that. Article 35.3.2 states that clubs are required to sell tickets for their away matches if required to do so by the Home Club

The only way BFC could have "stuck it to 'em" is if it didn't put the tickets on sale to its fans - but then BFC would have to pay for those tickets as they are effectively sold (just not distributed)...

Along come law suits from disgruntled away fans who didn't get "their" ticket

Well if you want to get all legal and technical about it…..

You don’t live in America do you???

[TheFamilyCat]

How would you even work this!? I went to more away games when we were shite during the times you mentioned as I was younger and didn’t have any other commitments.

Maybe we could have a rule where proof of attendance at certain ‘historical’ fixtures away like Hartlepool on a Tuesday night in the early 1990’s or Brighton away on Boxing Day automatically guarantee you a ticket for small away allocations!

Brighton away on Boxing Day is quite possibly my worst ever away day. Stuck on the hard shoulder, broken down in a bus full of blokes farting out their Christmas day beer and sprouts. The game managed to top this in the worst part of the day competition.

[ClaretTony]

Nothing wrong with the post-match leftover sandwiches from a darts match somewhere on the Old Kent Road though!

We needed them too. Long drive home after that stop.