Spacex Launch

[Billy Balfour]

People would be universally impressed by SpaceX if the project leader didn't post some tweets that particularly offended them

Acting like an oversensitive babyman troll on his own platform, doesn't help. Also, banging on about 'anything goes' free speech while deleting Tweets and accounts from people he doesn't like, isn't an endearing quality either. I'd have a lot of respect for him if he wasn't such a massive hypocrite. Hypocrisy is one thing I cannot abide, whether it comes from the right, left or centre, or indeed some bod I've just met.

[daveisaclaret]

Musk is a racist sexual harasser who uses his obscene unearned wealth to funnel other people's money into waste like SpaceX. You might be impressed by him personally but it's a bit unfair to suggest others don't like him because he does bad and boring tweets.

[Lancasterclaret]

I think I've been pretty fair to Musk on this thread

His recent decisions with the blue tick verification on twitter are a sign of him not being a genius at social media

https://twitter.com/Pibasedlifeform/sta ... 2991389697

As has already been said, the desire of people to defend everything Musk does because it "annoys the libs" is both hilarious and bloody worrying

[Greenmile]

Musk fanboys are some of the weirdest folk around, but at least now he’s made them dead easy to spot on Twitter.

[Hapag Lloyd]

Musk is a racist sexual harasser who uses his obscene unearned wealth to funnel other people's money into waste like SpaceX. You might be impressed by him personally but it's a bit unfair to suggest others don't like him because he does bad and boring tweets.

What a surprise, divisaclaret plays the race card…….again.

[daveisaclaret]

What a surprise, divisaclaret plays the race card…….again.

There is a certain class of person who finds accusations of racism offensive, if only there was a word to describe them...

[AlargeClaret]

I quite like Musk the innovator and businessman, though not the crypto fraudster . No idea how he’s upset the liberal left so much ? but running loss making monster Twitter as a business rather than a left leaning safe space , ie increase footfall and monetisation rather than pander to woke millennials may be part of the reason ?

[Lancasterclaret]

I quite like Musk the innovator and businessman, though not the crypto fraudster . No idea how he’s upset the liberal left so much ? but running loss making monster Twitter as a business rather than a left leaning safe space , ie increase footfall and monetisation rather than pander to woke millennials may be part of the reason ?

Tremendous word salad

[daveisaclaret]

Takes a special kind of person to think buying Twitter by accident at a massively overinflated price and chasing all of the advertisers away is "running it as a business", I think

[Lancasterclaret]

Takes a special kind of person to think buying Twitter by accident at a massively overinflated price and chasing all of the advertisers away is "running it as a business", I think

This

He massively over paid for twitter and was forced to buy it at the price he wanted by a court

The only way he gets his money back is by turning it into a service in which everyone pays for content (and that ignores the millions of free content that twitter is given every day)

He'll lose a fortune over this, but as he borrowed most of it from Saudi Arabia (a country that is not a fan of twitter) then I doubt he will care, and one of the better free sources of information out there might be irreparable damaged by it

But yeah, keep cheerleading him because he's annoying the libs

[Bordeauxclaret]

I quite like Musk the innovator and businessman, though not the crypto fraudster . No idea how he’s upset the liberal left so much ? but running loss making monster Twitter as a business rather than a left leaning safe space , ie increase footfall and monetisation rather than pander to woke millennials may be part of the reason ?

What does ‘woke’ mean mate?

[Rowls]

There is a certain class of person who finds accusations of racism offensive, if only there was a word to describe them...

Finish your sentence...?

[AlargeClaret]

Not sure who is cheerleading Musk ? Though I’d imagine the same millennial generation ? Maybe slightly weirder , lonelier and into gaming etc who laud him as some free speech god rather than a very clever manipulator. Though anyone who thinks he’s not a remarkable financier clearly hasn’t seen how he raised money for Tesla and his space malarkey ,and how he brokered the ludicrously stupid Twitter deal . He could have filed chapter 11. He had little choice but to strip things down to make quick savings and ride whatever negative publicity that entailed . I presumed he was a Democrat politically?

[claretcarrot93]

It was clearly a success and people are only calling it a failure because they don't like Musk.

[Lancasterclaret]

He used to be, he's a Republican now I think

Tesla, Space X - good

twitter - you'd hope that the reason he's bought in the changes is to make money to get back what he's spent

End of the day, he's one of those free speech weirdos, but only free speech if you can afford it and you don't criticise him

[Lancasterclaret]

It was clearly a success and people are only calling it a failure because they don't like Musk.

It is?

[daveisaclaret]

"Not sure who is cheerleading Musk ?" I post wisely on a messageboard thread where Elon Musk has been called "a genius" and "the scientist of our era"

[claretcarrot93]

It is?

It is a failure? Not sure on the question?

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[Rowls]

What does ‘woke’ mean mate?

Are people still unsure what the term means? Or are people still asking this as a rhetorical device? I thought that had died a death a few years ago now?

Anyway, here's where I first saw the term and learned what it meant:

https://twitter.com/WokeMuslima

The account starts in November 2015 and self labels as "woke". It's a great example of what woke is all about - left leaning identity politics whereby characteristics such as race, ethnicity, religion, sexuality are the encompassing and all important factors around which everything else revolves in the world of social justice campaigning.

Tellingly, the account ends abruptly in 2019 when the term became a pejorative insult.

If you want to know what it means to be woke, just read through the tweets and you won't have to ask people to define the word again for you.

See also "intersectionality" which is closely related to woke.

[Lancasterclaret]

It is a failure? Not sure on the question?

Its whether you can judge his takeover of Twitter as a success

I don't think you can say anything other than its a failure at the moment

Today is the first day without the legacy blue ticks, and people like Martin Lewis (whose face is used by scammers everywhere) has said he has to buy one because the alternative is that people will pretend to be him and scam people out of their money (which he sues facebook for on average about once of month)

Twitter no longer has the ability to monitor mass disinformation from foriegn states (Musk sacked all the staff) and you no longer have the ability to highlight and complain about spam accounts (Musk is dead against this apparently when he bought it, but his decisions are effectively increasing the amount because of the lack of control)

Its very early days, but the only thing that is saving twitter at the moment is brand, and how long will that last when effective and just as easy to use competition come online?

[Rowls]

There is a certain class of person who finds accusations of racism offensive, if only there was a word to describe them...

Not going to finish this sentence...?

[daveisaclaret]

Not going to finish this sentence...?

Hi Rowls, the implication is very clear that the people who find it offensive are themselves racists. You asking for clarification (twice) despite it being very clear is a good example of how you have never engaged with anything on this messageboard in good faith which is why I didn't reply, as I have no interest in whatever comment you want to pass on it.

[Lancasterclaret]

https://twitter.com/ruskin147/status/16 ... 5916397570

Yep, he's certainly running this as a success

[Rowls]

Hi Rowls, the implication is very clear that the people who find it offensive are themselves racists.

Thanks daveisaclaret. We can now openly follow your logic:

If you call somebody a racist and they are offended, it means they are a racist.

If you call somebody a racist and they aren't offended, they presumably are either proud to be a racist or simply accept the accusation?

And with people like yourself being self-appointed to "calling out" racists, this system looks fool proof.

[daveisaclaret]

Thanks daveisaclaret. We can now openly follow your logic:

If you call somebody a racist and they are offended, it means they are a racist.

If you call somebody a racist and they aren't offended, they presumably are either proud to be a racist or simply accept the accusation?

And with people like yourself being self-appointed to "calling out" racists, this system looks fool proof.

It's really ballsy to post such a bad faith load of nonsense in response to what I said there. Good for you

[Greenmile]

Are people still unsure what the term means? Or are people still asking this as a rhetorical device? I thought that had died a death a few years ago now?

Anyway, here's where I first saw the term and learned what it meant:

https://twitter.com/WokeMuslima

The account starts in November 2015 and self labels as "woke". It's a great example of what woke is all about - left leaning identity politics whereby characteristics such as race, ethnicity, religion, sexuality are the encompassing and all important factors around which everything else revolves in the world of social justice campaigning.

Tellingly, the account ends abruptly in 2019 when the term became a pejorative insult.

If you want to know what it means to be woke, just read through the tweets and you won't have to ask people to define the word again for you.

See also "intersectionality" which is closely related to woke.

He was asking for a definition, not a list of examples.

[Rowls]

He was asking for a definition, not a list of examples.

There's a definition within my post. The one you've actually quoted! Here it is:

left leaning identity politics whereby characteristics such as race, ethnicity, religion, sexuality are the encompassing and all important factors around which everything else revolves in the world of social justice campaigning.

[Rowls]

It's really ballsy to post such a bad faith load of nonsense in response to what I said there. Good for you

The problem with your logic is there for all to see daveisaclaret.

[daveisaclaret]

The problem with your logic is there for all to see daveisaclaret.

My logic in this case being the thing you have just made up to argue against. Like I say, it's bad faith all the way down.

[Billy Balfour]

Oh, look. Rowls is here. End of thread. Well, not really, especially for those who want to be bored shitless.

[Greenmile]

There's a definition within my post. The one you've actually quoted! Here it is:

Thanks, but I think I’ll go with the dictionary over some bloke on a football messageboard....

“aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)”

I can see why you’d want to obfuscate your objections to people who display these qualities by redefining the word, though.

[Lancasterclaret]

Oh, look. Rowls is here. End of thread. Well, not really, especially for those who want to be bored shitless.

I had to block him

I actually quite like him, but watching him soil himself on here because he just can't accept he's not the font of all knowledge on everything and that classic liberal thinking is not the cure for anything or is any use in a modern society is actually painful

[Rowls]

My logic in this case being the thing you have just made up to argue against. Like I say, it's bad faith all the way down.

daveisaclaret, we're at a real risk of going round in circles but anybody can read what you posted:

the people who find it offensive [to be called a racist] are themselves racists.

[Greenmile]

We’ve reached the “fabricating quotes” part of the argument now, I see.

[daveisaclaret]

I had to block him

I actually quite like him, but watching him soil himself on here because he just can't accept he's not the font of all knowledge on everything and that classic liberal thinking is not the cure for anything or is any use in a modern society is actually painful

I hope you don't mind me saying that quite liking Rowls is a very centrist Dad position

[Lancasterclaret]

I hope you don't mind me saying that quite liking Rowls is a very centrist Dad position

Not at all

I am a centrist dad and quite proud of it

Backbone of the country!

[Greenmile]

I think this messageboard would be a much poorer place without Rowls, but then I also think the same about Ringo and Jakub, so make of that what you will.

[Rowls]

Oh, look. Rowls is here. End of thread. Well, not really, especially for those who want to be bored shitless.

Well I'm simply offering an alternative opinion to a group of like-minded individuals posting here.

One was asking for a definition of 'woke' and I've provided an answer for him (as well as an example).

Another was claiming that you can prove somebody is racist if they are offended by being called a racist, which I find to be a fine example of awful logic. I've pointed it out as politely as possible.

Finally, Lancaster has announced publicly that he has blocked me which is news because he was interacting with me very recently. It's a shame because I was always doing my best to be polite to him while he, in return, would insult and abuse me. It turns out blocking me hasn't diminished his insults - even here is saying I am "soiling myself" by posting my opinions. It's a humorous kind of insult, in a childish way.

I have to add though, that I'm amused that he's blocked me because I've been polite to him whereas I (having never blocked anybody) am still free to read his insults. It feels like that isn't somehow what the blocking function was intended for.

[Rowls]

We’ve reached the “fabricating quotes” part of the argument now, I see.

????

[Greenmile]

...

I have to add though, that I'm amused that he's blocked me because I've been polite to him whereas I (having never blocked anybody) am still free to read his insults. It feels like that isn't somehow what the blocking function was intended for.

I suspect he blocked you more for this type of dishonest, bad faith misrepresentation of the facts / position of your interlocutors than for being polite to him, tbh.

[Greenmile]

????

It means “making up” or “inventing”

Maybe we can all chip in and buy you a dictionary for your birthday.

[daveisaclaret]

Maybe we should get back to discussing Apartheid Clyde's rocket blowing up

[Lancasterclaret]

You are very polite Rowls

But polite bullshit is still bullshit unfortunately

I have you down as a much less wealthy Jacob Rees Mogg

[Lancasterclaret]

Maybe we should get back to discussing Apartheid Clyde's rocket blowing up

I'm still a fan of his work on Space X and Tesla

[Rowls]

It means “making up” or “inventing”

Maybe we can all chip in and buy you a dictionary for your birthday.

I've got enough dictionaries, thanks.

What I had meant by the question marks was, "what has been fabricated or made up?"

Did somebody mention bad faith?? <---- this is a rhetorical question.

[Rowls]

You are very polite Rowls

But polite bullshit is still bullshit unfortunately

I have you down as a much less wealthy Jacob Rees Mogg

Can't you just accept it's a different opinion to your own rather than "bullshit"?

And why don't you put more effort into being polite back to me?

[claretcarrot93]

Its whether you can judge his takeover of Twitter as a success

I don't think you can say anything other than its a failure at the moment

Today is the first day without the legacy blue ticks, and people like Martin Lewis (whose face is used by scammers everywhere) has said he has to buy one because the alternative is that people will pretend to be him and scam people out of their money (which he sues facebook for on average about once of month)

Twitter no longer has the ability to monitor mass disinformation from foriegn states (Musk sacked all the staff) and you no longer have the ability to highlight and complain about spam accounts (Musk is dead against this apparently when he bought it, but his decisions are effectively increasing the amount because of the lack of control)

Its very early days, but the only thing that is saving twitter at the moment is brand, and how long will that last when effective and just as easy to use competition come online?

Sorry i meant the SpaceX launch was not a failure. Wires crossed.

[Lancasterclaret]

Sorry i meant the SpaceX launch was not a failure. Wires crossed.

Ah, yes

Space X launch not a total success, but certainly the first stage in what could be a very successful project

[Greenmile]

I've got enough dictionaries, thanks.

What I had meant by the question marks was, "what has been fabricated or made up?"

Did somebody mention bad faith?? <---- this is a rhetorical question.

The quote.

You can tell because I referred to “fabricating quotes”, as opposed to “fabricating huts” or something.

Maybe it’s a beginners’ guide to understanding English you need.