RATE THE REF - Dean Whitestone v QPR

[arise_sir_charge]

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Mainly through a lack of action he was complicit in the time wasting. A booking in the 89th minute does nothing exceot gobble up more seconds.

He could also be awarded an assist for the corner they scored from. Players fouling the keeper and he stops the taking of it. Why refs don't just let the corner go and penalise the offending team is beyond me.

This, it’s the one thing that really irritates me. Refs telling people to stop at corners. Just let the play go and penalise the offenders. Why get involved beforehand?

When refs book someone so late for time wasting it’s pointless, book them early is it means they are walking a tightrope for the remainder of the game.

Two notable instances of incompetence. Free kick given, QPR player runs 10 yards from place free kick was given with the ball, we retrieve ball and take free kick from where he’d run with the ball, ref stops us and makes us take it where offence occurred, says nothing to their man, it’s basically joining in the time wasting.

Benson crosses, lad heads it back to us, goes down with fake head injury, ref stops play and then restarts by giving their keeper the ball un challenged and that means he can waste more time as Jay has to run from half way to some him pick it up.

It just shows a complete lack of control and or a lack of understanding as to what’s actually taking place right in front of them.

[pistol]

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[aggi]

One noticeable thing with refs this season is the lack of control they have. Yesterday's was probably the worst example we've seen but it's nothing new.

[MT03ALG]

A laughable performance.
A referee unable to count
2 stoppages of 2 minutes each in the first half = 3 minutes added time (2+2=3!!)
Allowed the QPR players to turn the game into a circus.
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Generous marking for the circus entertainment.

[Longtimeclaret]

I think it’s ‘who you know’ in the refereeing fraternity.

I think you know very little on the subject matter then
Oh, and Cheers mate

[CoolClaret]

Not sure why I got my rating deleted for my subjective outlook but hey ho...

[Goobs]

A. Decision Making - 3 made so many bad or lack of decisions I lost count
B. Consistency - 3 waving at players to hurry up but then doing nothing about it. Adding on nowhere near enough time IMO.
C. Fitness and Positioning - 12 Out of position on several occasions
D. Control and Authority - 3 lost any control early on by doing nothing over blatant time wasting.

[beeholeclaret]

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QPR played him like an old fiddle.

[quoonbeatz]

I wasn't there yesterday but the lack of any control over time-wasting thing is bizarrely prevalent amongst the referees we have. I just dont understand why these people are so happy to have the **** taken out of themselves game after game. The players and managers are laughing at them because they're so weak. Why the refs and their masters accept it, I don't know, because ether could get a grip of it soooooo easily.

[Bordeauxclaret]

I think you know very little on the subject matter then
Oh, and Cheers mate

Cheers mate.

[Cheshireclaret]

The 2 best examples of what a complete tool this gentleman was yesterday were the following incidents :-

1. Dykes and Adomah collided and Adomah seemed to sustain a serious injury - Dykes was so concerned for his welfare he shouted at him for getting in the way and then walked off. The referee stopped the game for what was a pathetically innocuous 'injury' caused by Adomah's team mate and that set the tone for the rest of the day's officiating.

2. It's been mentioned above, but Benson crossed the ball, their lad got his head to it and then went down like a sack of the proverbial. The ball bounced clear and was then in our possession before the referee stopped play for a 'head injury'. I can forgive this because that is what they are told to do however, what followed was nothing short of disgraceful. He handed possession back to QPR via their keeper by way of an uncontested drop ball. The location for this was roughly where the injury was sustained and NOT where the game was stopped, and then when Obafemi sprinted forward to challenge their keeper the referee deliberately and overtly shoved Obafemi out of the way to protect their keeper and the ball.

I've never seen anything like that latter incident and if that isn't flagged with the assessor then it's appalling. It was shocking behaviour, tantamount to favouring and assisting QPR and he should be reprimanded accordingly.

I seem to also recall a latter incident where Jay headed the ball toward goal, the keeper saved it and then recovered and held it, yet the referee stopped play for yet another 'head injury' and rather than letting their keeper kick the ball from hands, he once again deemed it worthy of an uncontested drop ball and allowed their keeper to waste yet more time.

He was worse than useless.

[Ashingtonclaret46]

The 2 best examples of what a complete tool this gentleman was yesterday were the following incidents :-

1. Dykes and Adomah collided and Adomah seemed to sustain a serious injury - Dykes was so concerned for his welfare he shouted at him for getting in the way and then walked off. The referee stopped the game for what was a pathetically innocuous 'injury' caused by Adomah's team mate and that set the tone for the rest of the day's officiating.

2. It's been mentioned above, but Benson crossed the ball, their lad got his head to it and then went down like a sack of the proverbial. The ball bounced clear and was then in our possession before the referee stopped play for a 'head injury'. I can forgive this because that is what they are told to do however, what followed was nothing short of disgraceful. He handed possession back to QPR via their keeper by way of an uncontested drop ball. The location for this was roughly where the injury was sustained and NOT where the game was stopped, and then when Obafemi sprinted forward to challenge their keeper the referee deliberately and overtly shoved Obafemi out of the way to protect their keeper and the ball.

I've never seen anything like that latter incident and if that isn't flagged with the assessor then it's appalling. It was shocking behaviour, tantamount to favouring and assisting QPR and he should be reprimanded accordingly.

I seem to also recall a latter incident where Jay headed the ball toward goal, the keeper saved it and then recovered and held it, yet the referee stopped play for yet another 'head injury' and rather than letting their keeper kick the ball from hands, he once again deemed it worthy of an uncontested drop ball and allowed their keeper to waste yet more time.

He was worse than useless.

[Ashingtonclaret46]

The 2 best examples of what a complete tool this gentleman was yesterday were the following incidents :-

1. Dykes and Adomah collided and Adomah seemed to sustain a serious injury - Dykes was so concerned for his welfare he shouted at him for getting in the way and then walked off. The referee stopped the game for what was a pathetically innocuous 'injury' caused by Adomah's team mate and that set the tone for the rest of the day's officiating.

2. It's been mentioned above, but Benson crossed the ball, their lad got his head to it and then went down like a sack of the proverbial. The ball bounced clear and was then in our possession before the referee stopped play for a 'head injury'. I can forgive this because that is what they are told to do however, what followed was nothing short of disgraceful. He handed possession back to QPR via their keeper by way of an uncontested drop ball. The location for this was roughly where the injury was sustained and NOT where the game was stopped, and then when Obafemi sprinted forward to challenge their keeper the referee deliberately and overtly shoved Obafemi out of the way to protect their keeper and the ball.

I've never seen anything like that latter incident and if that isn't flagged with the assessor then it's appalling. It was shocking behaviour, tantamount to favouring and assisting QPR and he should be reprimanded accordingly.

I seem to also recall a latter incident where Jay headed the ball toward goal, the keeper saved it and then recovered and held it, yet the referee stopped play for yet another 'head injury' and rather than letting their keeper kick the ball from hands, he once again deemed it worthy of an uncontested drop ball and allowed their keeper to waste yet more time.

He was worse than useless.

I was not at the match so can't say anything except that it would appear that the referee was following the correct procedure as laid down by IFAB.

2. Dropped ball
Procedure
• The ball is dropped for the defending team goalkeeper in their penalty area
if, when play was stopped:
• the ball was in the penalty area or
• the last touch of the ball was in the penalty area
• In all other cases, the referee drops the ball for one player of the team that
last touched the ball at the position where it last touched a player, an outside
agent or, as outlined in Law 9.1, a match official
• All other players (of both teams) must remain at least 4 m (4.5 yds) from the
ball until it is in play
The ball is in play when it touches the ground.

[Caballo]

I was not at the match so can't say anything except that it would appear that the referee was following the correct procedure as laid down by IFAB.

2. Dropped ball
Procedure
• The ball is dropped for the defending team goalkeeper in their penalty area
if, when play was stopped:
• the ball was in the penalty area or
• the last touch of the ball was in the penalty area
• In all other cases, the referee drops the ball for one player of the team that
last touched the ball at the position where it last touched a player, an outside
agent or, as outlined in Law 9.1, a match official
• All other players (of both teams) must remain at least 4 m (4.5 yds) from the
ball until it is in play
The ball is in play when it touches the ground.

We were already in possession 30m outside the box.

[Cheshireclaret]

I was not at the match so can't say anything except that it would appear that the referee was following the correct procedure as laid down by IFAB.

2. Dropped ball
Procedure
• The ball is dropped for the defending team goalkeeper in their penalty area
if, when play was stopped:
• the ball was in the penalty area or
• the last touch of the ball was in the penalty area
• In all other cases, the referee drops the ball for one player of the team that
last touched the ball at the position where it last touched a player, an outside
agent or, as outlined in Law 9.1, a match official
• All other players (of both teams) must remain at least 4 m (4.5 yds) from the
ball until it is in play
The ball is in play when it touches the ground.

This wasn't the scenario though, the ball was some distance from the penalty area, in the possession of a Burnley player, so in fact this demonstrates he was completely wrong. I also see no mention of the referee being permitted to shove players out of the way at his discretion.

[Ashingtonclaret46]

This wasn't the scenario though, the ball was some distance from the penalty area, in the possession of a Burnley player, so in fact this demonstrates he was completely wrong. I also see no mention of the referee being permitted to shove players out of the way at his discretion.

Do you know the exact moment when he blew his whistle to stop play? He would know and would restart play as he did. You are all moaning about his allowing time wasting, however, when a Burnley player does not retreat the distance required to allow him to restart the game you moan about his moving the player back the required distance.
Who'd be an official these days? All will be clear next season when VAR will sort everything out. Enjoy.

[Cheshireclaret]

Do you know the exact moment when he blew his whistle to stop play? He would know and would restart play as he did. You are all moaning about his allowing time wasting, however, when a Burnley player does not retreat the distance required to allow him to restart the game you moan about his moving the player back the required distance.
Who'd be an official these days? All will be clear next season when VAR will sort everything out. Enjoy.

I appreciate you are defending an official, but the fact is he blew his whistle after we had taken possession. I witnessed it. Therefore based on your post above he was wrong. As regards your latter comment about moaning about players not retreating, I fail to see what that has to do with referees shoving players out of the way - something you've managed to avoid commenting on I note.

We'll agree to disagree, as you say you weren't at the game so are making assumptions which I understand. Enjoy your day.

[Culmclaret]

You really did have to be there to understand just how appalling this joker was!

[nil_desperandum]

Who'd be an official these days? All will be clear next season when VAR will sort everything out. Enjoy.

I'll assume that this last point is sarcastic.
I agree that I wouldn't like to be a referee these days, however, one thing that I would be able to do is stop my watch every time there's a delay.
Even allowing for an element of difficulty in enforcing that teams don't waste time, the amount of added time should AT LEAST add up to the amount of time that the trainer is on the pitch, so on that point alone Whitestone failed miserably. 3 minutes in the first half was laughable.
8 minutes in the second half might seem quite a bit, but it robbed us of at least 4 or 5 minutes.
It would also only take a couple of early yellow cards to stamp out much of the timewasting, and of course, if he applies the rule re: the keeper holding onto the ball for more than the permitted seconds (6 is it?), and gives a couple of early freekicks for this then the game would become MUCH easier to control.
First offence of holding onto the ball for too long - free kick.
Second time - freekick and yellow card.
There won't be a 3rd time.
I also expect him to penalise us in the same way.

[claretspice]

Do you know the exact moment when he blew his whistle to stop play? He would know and would restart play as he did. You are all moaning about his allowing time wasting, however, when a Burnley player does not retreat the distance required to allow him to restart the game you moan about his moving the player back the required distance.
Who'd be an official these days? All will be clear next season when VAR will sort everything out. Enjoy.

For what it is worth, I thought he might have blown whilst the ball was in the air before it got to the Burnley player.

However, the constructive feedback point is that by blowing up so quickly after what was an innocuous incident, he played into QPR's hands. The ref himself made a gesture after blowing up which indicated that he knew the QPR player wasn't injured but felt duty bound to blow up. So as far as I can see, absolutely nothing prevented him from either (i) allowing play to develop a second or two to see if the QPR player leapt to his feet when Burnley got the ball back in an attacking area where the "injured" player was supposed to be defending, or (ii) if he didn't feel that was an option, allowing play to develop the split second needed to give Burnley the ball back when play re-started.

That isn't an isolated example. Giving a first yellow card for time wasting on 89 minutes (and ironically, on one of the least obvious examples of the art in a second half full of them) was another example. It actually slowed the game down precisely when QPR would have wanted it.

I'm a huge defender of referees. But they simply have to get a grip of those incidents and be savvier in dealing with them. The players are of course to blame for their cynicism but the refs (particularly at Championship level) have tools in their armoury that they simply aren't using and that is indefensible.