The Sun again - Kompany & Spurs

[jedi_master]

Ive been concerned since it was first rumoured and I still am. People can say ‘Spurs is a bad move’ etc but life is about moments. He may never get the chance again. I’m just saying this from as realistic perspective as I can, I’ll be devastated if I am right.

[Andingle]

I'm confident he will be staying.
But if he did move on , he would be leaving us on a good platform to move forward and it would be massive to appoint the right replacement to keep us heading in the current trajectory.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Will be very annoying if he went. Pinning my hopes on the fact he didn’t move around much as a player!

[daveisaclaret]

I'm not panicking (there's no point) but I think one point not been mentioned by everyone pointing out that they think Spurs is a bad move is that (almost) nobody knows more than VK about how things look at Burnley going into this summer.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

The Athletic reporter for Spurs has said he thinks it’s between Nagelsmann and Luis Enrique.

[distortiondave]

On the money side of things, VK isn't like Dyche or Howe or Coyle. Kompany retired from iro £150,000 a week contracts, not £750 at Chesterfield, so the lure of money is far less than it would be for A.N.Other up and coming manager.
It's whether or not he thinks he can take a malfunctioning Spurs (or Chelsea) higher than the two arab clubs, a rejuvenated Arsenal, Liverpool and Man Utd and potentially without Kane.

I know Spurs are better than us, but imagine being Vincent Kompany and having to work with Eric Dier, instead of moulding centre halves in your image at Burnley.

[kentonclaret]

If any of these “so called sources “ were in any way reliable the odds on VK joining Tottenham as manager wouldn’t be 6/1 and drifting.

[Vegas Claret]

Sacha thinks that Nagelsmann is the number one choice

[123EasyasBFC]

Let’s face it the only thing stopping kompany joining spurs, is spurs picking another manager over him, nothing about loyalty, project still running or money. Regardless of the turmoil Spurs are in they are a massive club with state of the art facilities, kompany would back himself to turn it around. You could say he took over us when we weren’t in a good position, just been relegated with a big debt hanging over us

[northeastclaret]

There have been a flurry of stories linking spurs for three weeks, then several days of stories saying VK is staying. I am hoping therefore that this link is dated from the batch of stories that are now superseded by the news of him staying. We will soon find out in the next three days which will be the true outcome I am sure .

[hoskinsgoalatswansea]

Let’s face it the only thing stopping kompany joining spurs, is spurs picking another manager over him

I don’t believe this to be true. There’ll be many factors. Some that might have him leaning towards staying may include: loyalty, integrity, a desire to see out his contract and finish the project, family settled in the area, a good stable relationship with club and chairman, freedom to run the team as he wishes without interference, being given time if things don’t always go well, a good young squad with bags of potential.

I’m sure there are many more reasons to stay, some we may not know about, and a load of reasons to leave, but it certainly won’t be as simple as Spurs, or Chelsea, just need to come knocking. For all we know, they may already have done, got rebuffed, and moved on to other targets.

My gut feeling is he’ll stay, but you never know in football.

[Vegas Claret]

if Romano and Sacha are reporting it then he is most definitely a candidate and fancied by Spurs, doesn't mean he will go though

[TPClaret]

I’ll be amazed if Kompany leaves for Spurs after one season in the Championship. He’s not proven anything yet. Premier league is a massive step up.

[Here's-Johnny]

I didn't believe Kompany was coming to Burnley he did....I don't think he'll go to Spurs......but he Could.

[jtv]

Could VK be hedging his bets in case the transfer embargo is not lifted?

[RVclaret]

Gaughan also has a relationship with ALK - he did the first solo interview with Alan Pace after the takeover

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... rnley.html

Interesting CP. I made the City comment as I recall he broke the news we’d signed Muric including quite specific deal details.

[RVclaret]

Sacha thinks that Nagelsmann is the number one choice

Spurs would be pretty daft not to have him number one choice. Done well at Hoffenheim, Leipzig and Bayern, all by the age of 36. Enrique not far behind either having won titles with Barca and managed big personalities.

[MDWat]

If Kompany is offered the Spurs, he’d be nuts not to take it. You don’t get offered a job like that every day.

I’m not sure they’ll go from him. Nagelsmann and Enrique are proven, from a management point of view, at a higher level than Kompany, who is barely proven in England and certainly not in the Prem yet - big risk.

I think he’ll stay but only because I don’t think they’ll come for him. If they do, he goes.

Romano and Sacha have merely said there have been positive talks. I’ve had positive talks with other employers I’ve not left to go work for.

[Newcastleclaret93]

If Kompany is offered the Spurs, he’d be nuts not to take it. You don’t get offered a job like that every day.

I’m not sure they’ll go from him. Nagelsmann and Enrique are proven, from a management point of view, at a higher level than Kompany, who is barely proven in England and certainly not in the Prem yet - big risk.

I think he’ll stay but only because I don’t think they’ll come for him. If they do, he goes.

Romano and Sacha have merely said there have been positive talks. I’ve had positive talks with other employers I’ve not left to go work for.

I suspect you’re right, if spurs do come in for him he would be mad not to go.

I just can’t see it, when was the last time a manager went from the championship to managing a top 6 club. I genuinely can’t even think of an example.

If he does go, I will wish him well though.

[RVclaret]

I suspect you’re right, if spurs do come in for him he would be mad not to go.

I just can’t see it, when was the last time a manager went from the championship to managing a top 6 club. I genuinely can’t even think of an example.

If he does go, I will wish him well though.

Probably Lampard to Chelsea? Special case there with the connection, though, can’t think of any others.

[jedi_master]

I suspect you’re right, if spurs do come in for him he would be mad not to go.

I just can’t see it, when was the last time a manager went from the championship to managing a top 6 club. I genuinely can’t even think of an example.

If he does go, I will wish him well though.

Lampard….and look how that went.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Probably Lampard to Chelsea? Special case there with the connection, though, can’t think of any others.

Completely forgot about him but yes you’re right. Without that connection I can’t think of anyone.

I would be really surprised if spurs do go for him. He’s obviously a good manager but totally unproven at the highest level. If anything I think spurs would want a dead Cert after the season they have had

[Rick_Muller]

Completely forgot about him but yes you’re right.

This almost proves a point about why he’d be mad to go… he doesn’t want to be a forgotten nearly man washed up manager like Frank now does he…???

[Firthy]

I suspect you’re right, if spurs do come in for him he would be mad not to go.

I just can’t see it, when was the last time a manager went from the championship to managing a top 6 club. I genuinely can’t even think of an example.

If he does go, I will wish him well though.

I think he'd be mad to go and work for someone like Levy. VK is not going to risk his reputation and progress by putting himself under so much pressure with the expectations they'll have at such a volatile club. He'll be on a good wage so doubt the money will be enough incentive and the sort of perosn he appears to be, he will want to stay loyal to the club and the players he brought in.

[Spijed]

I suspect you’re right, if spurs do come in for him he would be mad not to go.

I just can’t see it, when was the last time a manager went from the championship to managing a top 6 club. I genuinely can’t even think of an example.

If he does go, I will wish him well though.

The only time I can think of it happening was when Moyes left Preston for Everton and that was many years ago.

[Rick_Muller]

The only time I can think of it happening was when Moyes left Preston for Everton and that was many years ago.

Moyes was with Preston for 4 years I think and under his management they became real challengers for promotion to the Premier League, which means he had proved himself. I’m not saying VK hasn’t done that, but we had a much better starting point than Moyes did at Preston.

[arise_sir_charge]

I’ve seen a few people on Twitter compare VK and Lampard saying they are similar in that they have done well in the Championship etc

Lampard snook into the play offs and lost, VK has completely torn it up! Huge difference.

[Rick_Muller]

I’ve seen a few people on Twitter compare VK and Lampard saying they are similar in that they have done well in the Championship etc

Lampard snook into the play offs and lost, VK has completely torn it up! Huge difference.

Compare relegated Burnley and basket case Derby - Also huge difference

[bfcmatt]

https://twitter.com/Spurs_Xtra/status/1 ... 8156780544

[northeastclaret]

If he left now it would be catastrophic for Burnley and worse than if Dyche had left in his prime.

Virtually every player he has signed, signed for Vincent Kompany not Burnley. It would rip that heart out of the club. He has been given total control including transfers etc etc. It’s not like at Brighton where there is an infrastructure in place and a Potter or another coach is plonked on top.

Personally I can’t see him leaving because he has such high integrity, why should any players, clubs, fans trust him again in the future if he leaves a club who have given him total support
after one season when it is a longer term project.

I think his values, loyalty, respect and integrity are very important to him. To destroy what he has created at Burnley would significantly tarnish his reputation regarding those values , I can’t believe he would do that.

[boatshed bill]

If he left now it would be catastrophic for Burnley and worse than if Dyche had left in his prime.

Virtually every player he has signed, signed for Vincent Kompany not Burnley. It would rip that heart out of the club. He has been given total control including transfers etc etc. It’s not like at Brighton where there is an infrastructure in place and a Potter or another coach is plonked on top.

Personally I can’t see him leaving because he has such high integrity, why should any players, clubs, fans trust him again in the future if he leaves a club who have given him total support
after one season when it is a longer term project.

I think his values, loyalty, respect and integrity are very important to him. To destroy what he has created at Burnley would significantly tarnish his reputation regarding those values , I can’t believe he would do that.

The only reason I could imagine for VK leaving now would be lack of funding for the PL.

[northeastclaret]

The only reason I could imagine for VK leaving now would be lack of funding for the PL.

I agree, if he was let down on what funds he was told would be available.

[Jakubclaret]

The only reason I could imagine for VK leaving now would be lack of funding for the PL.

You are talking about conversations which in all likelihood have already taken place, they haven't arrived at this juncture with VK not already knowing what money he'll have at his disposal.

[JimmyRobbo]

My concerns:

1 - Spurs is a bigger gig. Nobody can argue with that.
2 - if he failed, would anyone really bat an eyelid? Doesn't everyone fail at Spurs under that regime?
3 - We're going to struggle next year so his star will probably never be brighter.

[RVclaret]

My concerns:

1 - Spurs is a bigger gig. Nobody can argue with that.
2 - if he failed, would anyone really bat an eyelid? Doesn't everyone fail at Spurs under that regime?
3 - We're going to struggle next year so his star will probably never be brighter.

Why do you think we are going to struggle?

What if he gets a, let’s say, top 12 finish (like Fulham this season)? Will his ‘star be brighter’ then?

[boatshed bill]

You are talking about conversations which in all likelihood have already taken place, they haven't arrived at this juncture with VK not already knowing what money he'll have at his disposal.

Or what he expects to have, all being well.

[Billy Balfour]

The only reason I could imagine for VK leaving now would be lack of funding for the PL.

Yep. This is what I reckon too. I'm hoping the speculation strengthens his arm. If VK is given the funding, he will be our manager at the start of next season, unless Pep decides he's had enough, and I don't think this is going to happen for quite a while.

[Pickles]

I'd be surprised if budgets for the Premier League hadn't been discussed last summer before Kompany took the job.

I think he's going to go and it would leave us in a bit of a predicament as, like northeastclaret says, all the signings have been Kompany's and they've come because of Kompany.

[claretspice]

If he left now it would be catastrophic for Burnley and worse than if Dyche had left in his prime.

Virtually every player he has signed, signed for Vincent Kompany not Burnley. It would rip that heart out of the club. He has been given total control including transfers etc etc. It’s not like at Brighton where there is an infrastructure in place and a Potter or another coach is plonked on top.

Personally I can’t see him leaving because he has such high integrity, why should any players, clubs, fans trust him again in the future if he leaves a club who have given him total support
after one season when it is a longer term project.

I think his values, loyalty, respect and integrity are very important to him. To destroy what he has created at Burnley would significantly tarnish his reputation regarding those values , I can’t believe he would do that.

He is going to leave and almost certainly at some point in the next 13-14 months. If its now it will be very disruptive but its only accelerating a disruption that has to be priced in with a young, ambitious coach like VK. The players, whilst attracted by VK, also know that.

Still more likely than not he stays because the suspicion is he's on Spurs' list as plan C/ plan D rather than plan A, and the fact West Ham may not be in the market this summer after their uptick may be the most significant recent development all things considered. But we've got to accept this is not going to be as enduring as Dyche. VK is just passing through.

[arise_sir_charge]

Compare relegated Burnley and basket case Derby - Also huge difference

The Lampard year was pre basket case in fairness. They still had a big budget. All the out and out chaos came after.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

The Lampard year was pre basket case in fairness. They still had a big budget. All the out and out chaos came after.

Nope
They were a basket before he arrived and after he left.
They'd been cooking the books for a while, thanks to Mel, and really needed to get promoted, but Lampard didn't even beat the points tally of the previous season.

[boatshed bill]

He is going to leave and almost certainly at some point in the next 13-14 months. If its now it will be very disruptive but its only accelerating a disruption that has to be priced in with a young, ambitious coach like VK. The players, whilst attracted by VK, also know that.

Still more likely than not he stays because the suspicion is he's on Spurs' list as plan C/ plan D rather than plan A, and the fact West Ham may not be in the market this summer after their uptick may be the most significant recent development all things considered. But we've got to accept this is not going to be as enduring as Dyche. VK is just passing through.

I'm not sure "passing through" does him justice, Spice.
But obviously he is destined for bigger than Burnley.

[KefkaClaret]

There’s no real good time to leave a club but right now is probably the closet to being the best, I guess keeping us up and then leaving beats that but if he does go he has left us in a damn good position.

[arise_sir_charge]

Nope
They were a basket before he arrived and after he left.
They'd been cooking the books for a while, thanks to Mel, and really needed to get promoted, but Lampard didn't even beat the points tally of the previous season.

My point is that the issues didn’t impact on him doing his job. Not like the following seasons.

[Lancasterclaret]

Comparisons with Coyle are a bit off tbf

If he leaves now, he's won the championship, built the nucleus of a very good side and left us with time to replace him, and he's not gone to a club that are no bigger than us

Also agree that clubs talk to lots of candidates, and that doesn't mean that he is going, but it does mean that he's under serious consideration

[spt_claret]

It's whether or not he thinks he can take a malfunctioning Spurs (or Chelsea) higher than the two arab clubs, a rejuvenated Arsenal, Liverpool and Man Utd and potentially without Kane.

This right here is why I think any manager who is currently or aspires to be a big club/"elite" manager is mental to go to Spurs.
Kane could finally have the sense to leave.
The owner is impatient while also very demanding about Spurs' playstyle.
There's a good 4-5 clubs with a better platform, competing for the same spot as spurs, and smaller better run clubs breathing down their neck.
Their team is good but not as good as they think it is. Look at the Newcastle game.

Nobody will be given the time or stability or trust at Spurs to strip things back, rebuild, and most of all- be realistic. They don't need an elite manager because they've not really been an elite club for minimum over 30 years. Their last trophy was 2008, last major trophy 1991. They've won the league as much as us and last won it the year after us. 2016 was a two horse race between them and Leicester and they finished third.
They're not the giants they think they are but because they're a wealthy London club, they like West Ham think they're massive and have ego players. They'll never achieve anything unless they ditch the ego and appoint a manager who specialises in getting players to overperform, rather than continuing to try pretend they're a superstar team. But they won't do that, Pochettino almost did and got sacked for it, Mourinho could have given time but wasn't this spurs mould they're deluded about. VK or anyone who has a chance of another top job would be mad to go there.

[agreenwood]

Ideally this needs to be put to bed one way or the other by the end of May. I’d imagine any uncertainty over VK’s future dragging out into the summer months is going to really disrupt our efforts to prepare for what’s already going to be a challenge to stay up/compete. Not least because there may be transfer targets attracted to the idea of working with Kompany and choose to go elsewhere if he’s not at the club.

[Lancasterclaret]

Ideally this needs to be put to bed one way or the other by the end of May. I’d imagine any uncertainty over VK’s future dragging out into the summer months is going to really disrupt our efforts to prepare for what’s already going to be a challenge to stay up/compete. Not least because there may be transfer targets attracted to the idea of working with Kompany and choose to go elsewhere if he’s not at the club.

Levy is under tremendous pressure from his fan base to sort

No way this goes on much past the end of the season

If he's still here after the Cardiff game, then he's not going to Spurs

[NewClaret]

If he left now it would be catastrophic for Burnley and worse than if Dyche had left in his prime.

Virtually every player he has signed, signed for Vincent Kompany not Burnley. It would rip that heart out of the club. He has been given total control including transfers etc etc. It’s not like at Brighton where there is an infrastructure in place and a Potter or another coach is plonked on top.

Personally I can’t see him leaving because he has such high integrity, why should any players, clubs, fans trust him again in the future if he leaves a club who have given him total support
after one season when it is a longer term project.

I think his values, loyalty, respect and integrity are very important to him. To destroy what he has created at Burnley would significantly tarnish his reputation regarding those values , I can’t believe he would do that.

I agree with this all apart from the last line - I don’t think he’d necessarily tarnish his reputation, I think most people in football would understand his position.

That said, he seems a guy to me that is loyal. He’s only had two clubs. He doesn’t seem to do years here and there and hopefully he won’t with us.

I think how long he stays will depend on how well he is backed. So far I feel ALK have backed him, but I read an interview with him last night where he said that in January they’d been considering two scenarios - promotion & another season in the Championship - and that now they are doing the same in considering how we try to be competitive whilst also considering relegation. It’s so good that we’ve got a manager who considers the long term interests of the club but I also think he’s going to have to be backed to really take the club forward if we want to keep him longer term.

Really hope Spurs get Nagelsmann or Enrique. I want to see the worlds best managers in the Prem.

[kentonclaret]

I hope all of the posters convinced VK is off to Spurs have filled their boots at the bookies. Odds of 5/1 and 6/1 still widely available despite The Sun’s revelations and numerous Twitter posts from those supposedly “ in the know “.