Everton v City

[Rick_Muller]

How Pickford stays on after that I dont know

[aclaretinstevenage]

Virtually no point watching a City match if you are a neutral unless they are playing one of the top 4 sides. Nobody else can get near them. Incredibly boring if you just want to watch a decent game of football.

Entirely agree with you. If there's no jeopardy in a football match it isn't worth watching it let alone paying to watch it. I haven't watched a City game Live for about two years now and it will be a while yet!

[Cirrus_Minor]

Ironic that Evertons best two players are McNeil and Tarkowski.

[MancunianClaret]

How Pickford stays on after that I dont know

PL are desperate to televise games in Everton's new stadium next season...

[wilks_bfc]

PL are desperate to televise games in Everton's new stadium next season...

I can guarantee the PL won’t be showing any games from Everton’s new stadium next season, and neither will the EFL

[tarkys_ears]

More stewards than fans here... whats going on?

[MancunianClaret]

I can guarantee the PL won’t be showing any games from Everton’s new stadium next season, and neither will the EFL

Following one then, orwhenever it's ready

[eastcoastclaret]

Ironic that Evertons best two players are McNeil and Tarkowski.

I'd love to know what those two are thinking right now.

[NottsClaret]

Entirely agree with you. If there's no jeopardy in a football match it isn't worth watching it let alone paying to watch it. I haven't watched a City game Live for about two years now and it will be a while yet!

I said this a few weeks back. City are an unbelievable team, possibly the best in the world, but if you're interested in a contest, it's only really worth watching either very early in the season before they've got going or if they play Real Madrid. Other than that, it's just the Harlem Globetrotters.

[RVclaret]

‘Pep Guardiola has won more games against Sean Dyche than any other manager in his career:

WWWWDWWWWWWWWWWW

Pep 49-5 Dyche on aggregate.’

[Jakubclaret]

I'd love to know what those two are thinking right now.

Probably enjoying getting their wages doubled McNeil will still have over 4 years left & tarkowski over 3 years, whatever happens with Everton both are sitting pretty. Seeing that out will take JT somewhere towards retirement as a top flight defender anyway considering his present age.

[taio]

‘Pep Guardiola has won more games against Sean Dyche than any other manager in his career:

WWWWDWWWWWWWWWWW

Pep 49-5 Dyche on aggregate.’

Presumably only two or three managers have faced Guardiola more times. The vast majority won't have competed against him 16 times. There will be some managers who have lost all their games against him.

[Stayingup]

Probably enjoying getting their wages doubled McNeil will still have over 4 years left & tarkowski over 3 years, whatever happens with Everton both are sitting pretty. Seeing that out will take JT somewhere towards retirement as a top flight defender anyway considering his present age.

Yes thinking about their Bank Accounts no dobt. But the next two games for Everton are pivotal and they should be able to reach safety - should!!!

[eastcoastclaret]

Probably enjoying getting their wages doubled McNeil will still have over 4 years left & tarkowski over 3 years, whatever happens with Everton both are sitting pretty. Seeing that out will take JT somewhere towards retirement as a top flight defender anyway considering his present age.

I'm sure that will soften the blow, but I think you underestimate players if you think that is all they think about.

[Jakubclaret]

I'm sure that will soften the blow, but I think you underestimate players if you think that is all they think about.

They'll obviously be trying their best to get Everton out the mess as any professionals would but I very much doubt sleepness nights will be on the cards, both have insurance & will have plenty of other options, it's just a job at the end of the day.

[PremierLeagueClass]

‘Pep Guardiola has won more games against Sean Dyche than any other manager in his career:

WWWWDWWWWWWWWWWW

Pep 49-5 Dyche on aggregate.’

Testament to what an incredible job Dyche did that we faced the best so many times.

[bobinho]

I can guarantee the PL won’t be showing any games from Everton’s new stadium next season, and neither will the EFL

You know what he meant.

And you also know he probably has a point.

[Lancasterclaret]

You know what he meant.

And you also know he probably has a point.

That the EPL will do anything to keep *checks notes* Everton in the premier league?

Bit far fetched, even for UTC

[KRBFC]

Pep is simply a genius, if you were unsure before and just blaming it on money spent like an unintelligent rookie you only have to look how well his apprentices (Xavi, VK, Arteta) are doing

[Jakubclaret]

I'd like to see all these so called top managers manage consistently with scant resources still achieving success for me that would be the measure of merit. Let pep & co have a season dropping down the league's & manage a Barnet FC (no disrespect to Barnet FC) & go toe to toe on a level playing field without a pot to pi55 in & see how they'd fare.

[Spiral]

Pep is the best manager in the world, best of a generation or three, and his disciples would do a job anywhere. Proof? Look at this season's Championship league table. 101 points isn't some fluke. Pep has just elevated football. He'd get Burnley into the Champions League.

[welsbyswife]

Pep is the best manager in the world, best of a generation or three, and his disciples would do a job anywhere. Proof? Look at this season's Championship league table. 101 points isn't some fluke. Pep has just elevated football. He'd get Burnley into the Champions League.

That last sentence is nonsense. The days of a great manager like Clough taking a second tier type of side and making them competitive at the top end are gone. Impossible without money these days. It's like F1. If you don't have the best car it doesn't matter how good a driver you are.

[Carwin261]

I'd like to see all these so called top managers manage consistently with scant resources still achieving success for me that would be the measure of merit. Let pep & co have a season dropping down the league's & manage a Barnet FC (no disrespect to Barnet FC) & go toe to toe on a level playing field without a pot to pi55 in & see how they'd fare.

Partly agree with you,but you could also say how would Messi go on if he played for Accrington Stanley?

[Carwin261]

That last sentence is nonsense. The days of a great manager like Clough taking a second tier type of side and making them competitive at the top end are gone. Impossible without money these days. It's like F1. If you don't have the best car it doesn't matter how good a driver you are.

Leicester didn’t do too badly ,and although not winning it Brentford,Fulham,and Brighton aren’t doing bad at all.

[Jakubclaret]

Partly agree with you,but you could also say how would Messi go on if he played for Accrington Stanley?

He'd be head & shoulders but it's a inbuilt talent not reliant on other factors.

[Lancasterclaret]

Looks at Peps career

*He's not the best manager in the world*

He's practically reinvented football, and he's not the best manager in the world?

I guess there ain't a hot take like a UTC hot take

[welsbyswife]

Leicester didn’t do too badly ,and although not winning it Brentford,Fulham,and Brighton aren’t doing bad at all.

If you think Burnley are similar to Leicester as they were then in terms of resources you're not that clued up. And yes, Brentford, Fulham and Brighton are doing ok but none of them will be getting in the Champions League.

[bobinho]

That the EPL will do anything to keep *checks notes* Everton in the premier league?

Bit far fetched, even for UTC

Maybe so, but there’s no doubting how some “big” clubs get the run of the green when it comes to big calls… and that then transfers to VAR. Some things aren’t even looked at!

And then big clubs seem to get yet more “favourable” decisions when it comes to being investigated for FFP. Everton being a prime example. Last year during their relegation battle with us and DL, there was nothing to see. Now there IS something after all… Are the investigators THAT incompetent?

Why wasn’t the Richarlison flare incident dealt with properly and in a timely fashion last year? Had that been us, we would’ve been bent right over. As it stood, the PL bottled it and handed it over to Merseyside Constabulary who CLEARLY weren’t in any rush to do anything about it. But the PL could then stand away from it, conveniently.

It may not actually be as bent as I think it is, but there’s always a nasty smell around it.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Pep was taught by Cruyff, he's the man who "reinvented football" so to speak.

Pep has to be a great manager to do what he did/does, but he has taken a lot of pre-existing ideas, refined them for the modern game and made them better/workable

Even the idea of sweeper keepers have been around for 50 odd years before that gets thrown at me.

He's rightly regarded as a brilliant manager, I'm not going to sit here and say he isn't, but those that came before him, who've taught him or who's ideas he's used, have to be acknowledged.

[Lancasterclaret]

Maybe so, but there’s no doubting how some “big” clubs get the run of the green when it comes to big calls… and that then transfers to VAR. Some things aren’t even looked at!

And then big clubs seem to get yet more “favourable” decisions when it comes to being investigated for FFP. Everton being a prime example. Last year during their relegation battle with us and DL, there was nothing to see. Now there IS something after all… Are the investigators THAT incompetent?

Why wasn’t the Richarlison flare incident dealt with properly and in a timely fashion last year? Had that been us, we would’ve been bent right over. As it stood, the PL bottled it and handed it over to Merseyside Constabulary who CLEARLY weren’t in any rush to do anything about it. But the PL could then stand away from it, conveniently.

It may not actually be as bent as I think it is, but there’s always a nasty smell around it.

I think its still a stretch

Everton could get relegated and no one would care outside of their fan base

They are not a team that the premier league needs to thrive put it that way (maybe they used to be but not anymore)

[bobinho]

Ahhh, but very soon Bramley Dock will be a showpiece. The PL will want that on their roster.

[Carwin261]

If you think Burnley are similar to Leicester as they were then in terms of resources you're not that clued up. And yes, Brentford, Fulham and Brighton are doing ok but none of them will be getting in the Champions League.

Not saying we’re similar to Leicester ,but they managed to beat the usual suspects,ok they cheated there way to get out of div 1 ,but still was an outstanding achievement.

[Stayingup]

I'm sure that will soften the blow, but I think you underestimate players if you think that is all they think about.

I think it was a bit of a joke tongue in cheek comment. The two players in question are top pros.

[Stayingup]

Regarding Pep and City, where, how, does he source these great players that City bring in? Put these together with Pep and its an astonishing end product.

[Spiral]

That last sentence is nonsense. The days of a great manager like Clough taking a second tier type of side and making them competitive at the top end are gone. Impossible without money these days. It's like F1. If you don't have the best car it doesn't matter how good a driver you are.

Newcastle had a squad not much better than a poor Burnley side that got relegated, and Howe guided them comfortably to survival, then without necessarily spending in the Chelsea/City mould of the last fifteen years has them sitting in a CL spot with a number of those players who played for Steve Bruce still playing in Howe's team. Villa under Gerrard were a joke, again not remarkably better than a poor Burnley side from last season, but Emery came in and, again, without necessarily spending like a top four club, have a points per game record since his arrival bettered only by Arsenal and City this season. That's what brilliant management does to players. Brighton are 8pts off a CL spot with a game in hand over all the teams above them and they just pumped Arsenal at the Emirates. Again, not huge spenders.

Are you telling me that it's nonsensical to argue that in all these instances, Pep Guardiola, the one person alive in football to whom the word genius may rightly be applied, couldn't mine a little bit more out of these clubs given as examples, clubs whose fortunes in the last decade have at times been poorer that Burnley, clubs we've outperformed at times, even over the grind of a whole season, in the last decade? Given time I think, no, I know Pep would get more out of these teams, including Burnley. At Burnley he would outperform Dyche in the PL and it wouldn't even be close. I trust Jose in a cup final or a knockout game, he's the master of it, but over the grind of a whole league season, nobody beats Pep. Nobody. His league work over the last decade is beyond a joke. UTD have spent about as much as City over a similar period and have barely anything to show for it. Football is not at all like F1. The only reason it might look that way in England of late is because City have Pep. The reason we don't get Cloughs any more is because talented coaches are poached from smaller clubs the minute they show ability, and there's such a high turnover of managers even at the very top that you don't usually have to wait very long for a vacancy to arise, so the managerial turnover rate of modern football is as responsible for potential never being fulfilled at smaller clubs as much as it is those smaller clubs' budgets.

It's all hypothetical, but in a good season, with enough time, Pep would get any well run PL club into the Champions League. He could even do it via the Europa League after a seventh place finish. Seventh placed finish...hmm, sounds familiar. Rangers were a penalty away from winning the Europa League with Giovanni van Bronckhorst as manager. Rangers. In Scotland FFS. It's practically doable in a good season even without the greatest living football manager turning your team into an absolute machine.

[Sproggy]

Regarding Pep and City, where, how, does he source these great players that City bring in? Put these together with Pep and its an astonishing end product.

Well, you start off by spending over a billion quid, break financial fair play rules over a hundred times and quietly funnel money into your sponsors so that they can give it you back in hugely inflated sponsorship deals. The rest is talent.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Using losing to Man City as a way to get in a dig at Dyche is high up in the moronic chart.

Then I saw who it was

[BurnleyFC]

Watched the highlights on MOTD last night.

Pickford looks hilarious flailing himself around the goal getting nowhere near the ball.

[Spijed]

Well, you start off by spending over a billion quid, break financial fair play rules over a hundred times and quietly funnel money into your sponsors so that they can give it you back in hugely inflated sponsorship deals. The rest is talent.

Indeed. They have completely ignored FFP and have eye-watering global sponsorship deals despite having a fan base that is far smaller than any other "big" club.

[kentonclaret]

I'd like to see all these so called top managers manage consistently with scant resources still achieving success for me that would be the measure of merit. Let pep & co have a season dropping down the league's & manage a Barnet FC (no disrespect to Barnet FC) & go toe to toe on a level playing field without a pot to pi55 in & see how they'd fare.

I would like to see Djokevic playing for 12 months with an old wooden racket to see if he can still manage to serve at 130 mph and win major tennis tournaments. Is he really as good as Rod Laver?
Very easy to put suggestions out there that you know are never going to be put to the test.

[Steve1956]

The more I watch Pickford the more I think he's on drugs....are they not tested anymore?

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[Jakubclaret]

I would like to see Djokevic playing for 12 months with an old wooden racket to see if he can still manage to serve at 130 mph and win major tennis tournaments. Is he really as good as Rod Laver?
Very easy to put suggestions out there that you know are never going to be put to the test.

Or give Ronnie a bent snooker cue & whilst we are at it we could ask Tyson fury to wear handcuffs whilst he's in the ring, I'm pretty much saying you are supported with the resources at hand but talent is talent, you put people in awkward circumstances they are disadvantaged like pep managing Barnet, to bring the best out in people everybody needs a helping hand & that's exactly what peps got.

[Stayingup]

Well, you start off by spending over a billion quid, break financial fair play rules over a hundred times and quietly funnel money into your sponsors so that they can give it you back in hugely inflated sponsorship deals. The rest is talent.

Yes but others have the spending power but can't touch City.

[Silkyskills1]

He's not a genius. An excellent manager and coach of course. But please, a little bit of perspective would help.

[IanMcL]

The more I watch Pickford the more I think he's on drugs....are they not tested anymore?
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Ludicrous approach to keeping. Like he has lost hope if saviing anything, so just spread and leap anywhere!

I think he gets in the washer with his shirt on, so that his arms shrink in line with the keeping jersey!

[Spijed]

Ludicrous approach to keeping. Like he has lost hope if saviing anything, so just spread and leap anywhere!

I think he gets in the washer with his shirt on, so that his arms shrink in line with the keeping jersey!

A lot of the time he's more concerned about playing to the cameras. There are times where it's a straightforward save, yet Pickford tries to make them look far more spectacular than they really are.

[IanMcL]

A lot of the time he's more concerned about playing to the cameras. There are times where it's a straightforward save, yet Pickford tries to make them look far more spectacular than they really are.

Yes. He is not as good at that as our former keeper Gabor!