Our No. 1 keeper?

It Is What It Is · Post by **It Is What It Is** » Fri May 19, 2023 9:19 pm

Going to get stick here but....in my own sole opinion, both Muric & BPF are far from being quality EPL keepers. Both keepers, are pretty suspect on corners and crosses etc
Muric with us till 2026 so decent no. 2.
The No 1 shirt is so so important ...surely there is a budding Heaton or Pope out there.
An awful lot of talk about Verbruggen,...but just talk from what I can see.
Hopefully sorted soon but I don't think Muric is our best option.

colne-claret · Post by **colne-claret** » Fri May 19, 2023 9:28 pm

Muric got better all round as the season went on but for sure needs competition. Sounds like Kompany is keen on James Trafford from City but can’t see him immediately stepping up to being a premier league goalkeeper.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Fri May 19, 2023 9:35 pm

Muric will undoubtedly have to play more as a keeper next year as opposed to a sweeper. Is he good enough? I'm not convinced he is, but maybe he'll prove he is.

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Fri May 19, 2023 9:49 pm

Heaton wasn't ready made and neither was Pope, the last ready made goalie we had, Hart, turned out to be not all that good. I'm sure Muric will grow into the role, just have a bit of patience and give the lad some space. Accept he'll make mistakes on his journey to perfection.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri May 19, 2023 10:09 pm

Muric was responsible for a lot of clean sheets, he got better as the season progressed, I reckon a goalkeeper is the one position where coaching can have a major impact and let's face it VK knows from his playing days how vital a goalie who dominates is vital. Small example I sit in the JML and it is very noticeable now just how often hecsjouts goaliecwhen the ball comes into the box, start of the season never heard a thing TBH same happened with Pope, he grew more confi.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Fri May 19, 2023 10:14 pm

I was highly critical of Muric early on, but he was pretty much flawless after the Sheffield United away game.

I think he’s maturing into a top ‘keeper.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Fri May 19, 2023 10:15 pm

If you had asked me after about 10 games then I would have said I didn't think Muric was good enough to play professionally never mind in the EPL! By the end of the season however he was making great saves, commanding his area and looking like a quality keeper as well as looking ridiculously assured on the ball

Next year will obviously be more difficult as we will see less of the ball and have more pressure / shots against us, but I am confident he will deal with it.

Claret Till I Die · Post by **Claret Till I Die** » Fri May 19, 2023 10:17 pm

Has there ever been a keeper who never made a mistake ?

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Fri May 19, 2023 10:42 pm

Claret Till I Die wrote: ↑
Fri May 19, 2023 10:17 pm
Has there ever been a keeper who never made a mistake ?

Saw a post earlier saying we can’t afford GK gaffs next season. Understand the sentiment, but he will make mistakes next season. And we’ll concede from them. We need to accept this as part of our style and remember that the same happens to the best keepers in the world. Ederson, Alisson, De Gea, Lloris etc all made massive gaffs this season but it doesn’t make them bad keepers.

Personally have rated Muric from day one and although he had obvious flaws I always thought he would develop and he has. Needs to continue in the PL and will. Fully expect he’ll be our #1 but would love Verbruggen as back up.

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Fri May 19, 2023 11:00 pm

Extremely obvious just how immense Muric has been for us. Will he be number one next season? Who knows? Quite possibly. What is more certain is that whether it's him or someone else, the same sort of passing philosophy will apply.

helmclaret · Post by **helmclaret** » Fri May 19, 2023 11:02 pm

Muric pulled off some fantastic saves this season.

I’m willing to get behind him - he’s a real talent and we need to stick with him.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Fri May 19, 2023 11:30 pm

Muric has improved greatly, suits our style perfectly - but we need a PL experienced keeper whose saves can win us 12 pts or so a season.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Fri May 19, 2023 11:45 pm

helmclaret wrote: ↑
Fri May 19, 2023 11:02 pm
Muric pulled off some fantastic saves this season.

I’m willing to get behind him - he’s a real talent and we need to stick with him.

Tbh, I can’t even believe it’s a debate. In terms of potential, at his age he’s miles ahead of Pope/Heaton etc. And he has a raw talent with his feat - THE attribute of a modern day keeper - that they never had across their whole careers.

Given time and patience to develop I think he could become the best keeper we’ve ever had and certainly break our GK transfer fee records when we sell him.

Elbarad · Post by **Elbarad** » Sat May 20, 2023 3:55 am

Don’t mind competition for the shirt regardless of position, but Muric did seem to grow into it over the course of the year.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat May 20, 2023 4:14 am

if you think Muric is poor on crosses you haven't been paying attention for the last 6 months

Lord_Bob · Post by **Lord_Bob** » Sat May 20, 2023 4:42 am

Completely agree Vegas.

Was it QPR when BPF let in that goal from the corner with the player in front of him? and it goes to the back post and Vitiniho is left in the $hit? If that was Music, no way that goes in, he's claiming that ball, player impeding him or not - no question he is improving and is our number one.

Gp8419 · Post by **Gp8419** » Sat May 20, 2023 5:52 am

If we can sign a striker now and maatsen ,thb,tella.Then the lads deserve a chance we are blessed with cover and there more than good enough to stay up at least.

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Sat May 20, 2023 6:42 am

A lot of it will be down to what ten Rouwelaar thinks too. My guess is that we are looking to at least give Muric some competition given past links with other goalkeepers.

I certainly do not think Peacock-Farrell is the answer but I don't mind being proven wrong if they think he's up to it.

Muric I'm not sure about because I think he'll have to make a lot more saves in the Premier League.

Franchi hasn't even impressed at under 21 level.

Carwin261 · Post by **Carwin261** » Sat May 20, 2023 7:48 am

Apart from City with Haarland I can’t imagine many Premier League teams will suddenly start pumping the ball into the penalty area,also Muric had come for a lot of high balls ,and he’s like most of the top keepers in that he’s a bit of a one off,he’ll be fine.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sat May 20, 2023 8:00 am

Claret Till I Die wrote: ↑
Fri May 19, 2023 10:17 pm
Has there ever been a keeper who never made a mistake ?

Uncle Bobby?

claret2018 · Post by **claret2018** » Sat May 20, 2023 8:09 am

Bear in mind Nick Pope dropped what was probably the biggest, most embarrassing goalkeeping clanger I’ve ever seen this season.

Claret Till I Die · Post by **Claret Till I Die** » Sat May 20, 2023 8:25 am

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑
Sat May 20, 2023 8:00 am
Uncle Bobby?

The man in black

RicardoMontalban · Post by **RicardoMontalban** » Sat May 20, 2023 8:35 am

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Sat May 20, 2023 4:14 am
if you think Muric is poor on crosses you haven't been paying attention for the last 6 months

Absolutely this.

Muric’s improvement over the season has been up there with some of the best in the team - this season has season so much that it’s easy to miss. And it felt noticeable when he sat out a few games towards the end - not just in respect of importance to the team when we’re in possession, but the presence he gives.

We’ve been spoilt over the last ten years with Heaton, the Pope, who were exceptional but I think over the course of his career Muric will prove to be an excellent modern keeper.

Culmclaret · Post by **Culmclaret** » Sat May 20, 2023 9:20 am

Muric now looks as solid as a rock. How many gaffes in the second half of the season?

equinox · Post by **equinox** » Sat May 20, 2023 9:37 am

As long as Muric nutmegs Haaland he can do what he likes the rest of time.

4midable · Post by **4midable** » Sat May 20, 2023 9:38 am

Him from bolton doesnt look any good anyway

Vincent'sCap · Post by **Vincent'sCap** » Sat May 20, 2023 9:55 am

Let's give Muric a chance,he deserves that,think he will be our No1.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat May 20, 2023 10:06 am

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Fri May 19, 2023 11:45 pm
Tbh, I can’t even believe it’s a debate. In terms of potential, at his age he’s miles ahead of Pope/Heaton etc. And he has a raw talent with his feat - THE attribute of a modern day keeper - that they never had across their whole careers.

Given time and patience to develop I think he could become the best keeper we’ve ever had and certainly break our GK transfer fee records when we sell him.

I agree

It Is What It Is · Post by **It Is What It Is** » Sat May 20, 2023 10:16 am

RicardoMontalban wrote: ↑
Sat May 20, 2023 8:35 am
Absolutely this.

Muric’s improvement over the season has been up there with some of the best in the team - this season has season so much that it’s easy to miss. And it felt noticeable when he sat out a few games towards the end - not just in respect of importance to the team when we’re in possession, but the presence he gives.

We’ve been spoilt over the last ten years with Heaton, the Pope, who were exceptional but I think over the course of his career Muric will prove to be an excellent modern keeper.
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Yes agree..on reflection we have been spoilt by Pope & Heaton and Muric has certainly improved. He does read the game well and his distribution is very good.
Just been watching him in recent games on telly..and I now regret posting this thread! Mea Culpa!

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat May 20, 2023 10:21 am

I personally think Muric has the talent to be playing top end PL/Champions League football - one of the brightest prospects I've seen play for Burnley

andyh · Post by **andyh** » Sat May 20, 2023 10:21 am

Muric is excellent. Full stop. Will be sold for twice what Pope was. If you want to play as we do it is more important to be a ball player than an amazing shot stopper. Just rewatch the Coty game to see how it doesn’t work without a sweeper keeper. It is why the likes of Hart and Pope will never be the right keeper for teams playing our system.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat May 20, 2023 10:25 am

Without knowing how much money we have to spend, a new keeper is about 8th or 9th priority.

Muric improved as the season went on, the only concern was Vinny didn't pick him against the Prem opposition, so there's no way of knowing how suited to it he his.
But that was Vinny's mistake.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Sat May 20, 2023 10:37 am

Muric along with Roberts were our two most improved players post WC imo. I'd be surprised if he wasn't our No1 but I certainly feel we need a stronger No2.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat May 20, 2023 10:43 am

I’m looking forward to seeing Muric in the Prem. I’ve tried keeping a close eye on keepers distribution in the Prem this season and I honestly reckon he has the ability to one of the best in the league in that regard. Plus his keeping seems pretty fine to me.

Having said that I would also be bringing in a second keeper so you don’t see a huge drop off in standard if Muric is unavailable / hits a rough period of form (can happen to anyone). Therefore I can see why Kompany is scouting a second keeper, particularly with the likes of Trafford/Hermansen being decent on the ball too.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sat May 20, 2023 11:18 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat May 20, 2023 10:43 am
I’m looking forward to seeing Muric in the Prem. I’ve tried keeping a close eye on keepers distribution in the Prem this season and I honestly reckon he has the ability to one of the best in the league in that regard. Plus his keeping seems pretty fine to me.

Having said that I would also be bringing in a second keeper so you don’t see a huge drop off in standard if Muric is unavailable / hits a rough period of form (can happen to anyone). Therefore I can see why Kompany is scouting a second keeper, particularly with the likes of Trafford/Hermansen being decent on the ball too.

Totally agree

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Sat May 20, 2023 11:21 am

No Ney Never wrote: ↑
Fri May 19, 2023 9:49 pm
Heaton wasn't ready made and neither was Pope, the last ready made goalie we had, Hart, turned out to be not all that good. I'm sure Muric will grow into the role, just have a bit of patience and give the lad some space. Accept he'll make mistakes on his journey to perfection.

Sorry mate we start the Premier League in 78 days.

I know to a lot of people the whole "oooh the poor lads only young, he's a lot to learn, yeah he spends £30k a night at a bar but aww bless him, geey'im time!"

But no, he's nowhere near ready to start and we need a goalkeeper soon. Every single one of those "little mistakes" he makes will end up costing us a goal next season

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat May 20, 2023 11:40 am

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑
Sat May 20, 2023 11:21 am
Sorry mate we start the Premier League in 78 days.

I know to a lot of people the whole "oooh the poor lads only young, he's a lot to learn, "

But no, he's nowhere near ready to start and we need a goalkeeper soon. Every single one of those "little mistakes" he makes will end up costing us a goal next season

You could say that about half the team. Same team that pundits have described as the best ever in the Championship.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Sat May 20, 2023 11:41 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat May 20, 2023 10:43 am
I’m looking forward to seeing Muric in the Prem. I’ve tried keeping a close eye on keepers distribution in the Prem this season and I honestly reckon he has the ability to one of the best in the league in that regard. Plus his keeping seems pretty fine to me.

Having said that I would also be bringing in a second keeper so you don’t see a huge drop off in standard if Muric is unavailable / hits a rough period of form (can happen to anyone). Therefore I can see why Kompany is scouting a second keeper, particularly with the likes of Trafford/Hermansen being decent on the ball too.

Make no mistake, this keeper has the potential to be the best since Colin McDonald (and that's with the greatest respect to Adam Blacklaw and Tom Heaton).

Patience required from the start of '23/'24..

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Sat May 20, 2023 11:48 am

andyh wrote: ↑
Sat May 20, 2023 10:21 am
Muric is excellent. Full stop. Will be sold for twice what Pope was. If you want to play as we do it is more important to be a ball player than an amazing shot stopper. Just rewatch the Coty game to see how it doesn’t work without a sweeper keeper. It is why the likes of Hart and Pope will never be the right keeper for teams playing our system.

Agree with this. BPF has been better than I thought and hasn't let us down, but when Muric isn't playing it's probably more noticeable than any other player we have. And keepers with that ability aren't plentiful. Also, he must have been training hard, because since Bramall Lane he's been much better under an aerial bombardment.

DanH90 · Post by **DanH90** » Sat May 20, 2023 11:59 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat May 20, 2023 10:43 am
I’m looking forward to seeing Muric in the Prem. I’ve tried keeping a close eye on keepers distribution in the Prem this season and I honestly reckon he has the ability to one of the best in the league in that regard. Plus his keeping seems pretty fine to me.

Having said that I would also be bringing in a second keeper so you don’t see a huge drop off in standard if Muric is unavailable / hits a rough period of form (can happen to anyone). Therefore I can see why Kompany is scouting a second keeper, particularly with the likes of Trafford/Hermansen being decent on the ball too.

He’ll be third best in the league with his feet…only Ederson and Allison who are better.

HistoricalClaret · Post by **HistoricalClaret** » Sat May 20, 2023 12:17 pm

Muric will be number 1 next season with a competitive back up keeper behind him sooner people accept that the better. He is not suspect at crosses has been brilliant at them recently anyone who claims otherwise either hasn't watched recent matches or has an agenda. Considering he is 24 the ability he has with his feet and his shot stopping ability means that in 2 years time he will in my opinion be a highly sought after keeper as quality of his level is challenging to find.

Swizzlestick · Post by **Swizzlestick** » Sat May 20, 2023 1:39 pm

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑
Sat May 20, 2023 11:21 am
Sorry mate we start the Premier League in 78 days.

I know to a lot of people the whole "oooh the poor lads only young, he's a lot to learn, yeah he spends £30k a night at a bar but aww bless him, geey'im time!"

But no, he's nowhere near ready to start and we need a goalkeeper soon. Every single one of those "little mistakes" he makes will end up costing us a goal next season

I wonder why some of you lot bother.

Eyesofblue2 · Post by **Eyesofblue2** » Sat May 20, 2023 2:15 pm

No Ney Never wrote: ↑
Fri May 19, 2023 9:49 pm
Heaton wasn't ready made and neither was Pope, the last ready made goalie we had, Hart, turned out to be not all that good. I'm sure Muric will grow into the role, just have a bit of patience and give the lad some space. Accept he'll make mistakes on his journey to perfection.

Not really sure what the definition of 'ready made' is. Tom had made going on for around 150 appearances when we signed him, he was outstanding behind a poor Bristol City defence the season before, he virtually played us on his own at Turf Moor towards the back end of that season, one of the best goalkeeping displays I've ever seen, imo we signed the best goalkeeper in the Championship.

I do agree about Muric though, his rate of improvement last season was astonishing, he deserves his chance in the PL and he is crucial to the way Vinni wants us to play, if it ain't broke, don't fix it

helmclaret · Post by **helmclaret** » Sat May 20, 2023 2:42 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Fri May 19, 2023 10:42 pm
Saw a post earlier saying we can’t afford GK gaffs next season. Understand the sentiment, but he will make mistakes next season. And we’ll concede from them. We need to accept this as part of our style and remember that the same happens to the best keepers in the world. Ederson, Alisson, De Gea, Lloris etc all made massive gaffs this season but it doesn’t make them bad keepers.

Personally have rated Muric from day one and although he had obvious flaws I always thought he would develop and he has. Needs to continue in the PL and will. Fully expect he’ll be our #1 but would love Verbruggen as back up.

Would love to see a list of his ‘gaffs’ last season.

People were moaning about him as soon as they realised he wasn’t going to lump it long all game.

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Sat May 20, 2023 8:34 pm

Eyesofblue2 wrote: ↑
Sat May 20, 2023 2:15 pm
Not really sure what the definition of 'ready made' is. Tom had made going on for around 150 appearances when we signed him, he was outstanding behind a poor Bristol City defence the season before, he virtually played us on his own at Turf Moor towards the back end of that season, one of the best goalkeeping displays I've ever seen, imo we signed the best goalkeeper in the Championship.

I do agree about Muric though, his rate of improvement last season was astonishing, he deserves his chance in the PL and he is crucial to the way Vinni wants us to play, if it ain't broke, don't fix it

Ready made for the premier league. Neither Pope or Heaton had top flight experience previous to joining Burnley.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Sat May 20, 2023 8:44 pm

Muric was definitely suspect in the first third of the season. The final third of the season he was coming for crosses, shouting at his defence and dominating far more.

The best keeper we have had in my time was Heaton. Not only did he do the things Muric is now doing, but better, not the passing obviously, he used to shout instructions to the defenders constantly. If the right back was being chased into the corner he’d be shouting that to him, telling him the next move he should make.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sun May 21, 2023 8:03 am

Claretforever wrote: ↑
Sat May 20, 2023 8:44 pm
Muric was definitely suspect in the first third of the season. The final third of the season he was coming for crosses, shouting at his defence and dominating far more.

The best keeper we have had in my time was Heaton. Not only did he do the things Muric is now doing, but better, not the passing obviously, he used to shout instructions to the defenders constantly. If the right back was being chased into the corner he’d be shouting that to him, telling him the next move he should make.

This is a good point, Muric seems a quiet lad. Becoming more vocal would be another area of development hopefully playing against the top keepers in the Prem will help.

ijkay · Post by **ijkay** » Sun May 21, 2023 12:25 pm

bring back mercer as coach

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sun May 21, 2023 5:31 pm

We have some real experts on here wasting their lives working outside of football

Muric will be just as good as those in front of him.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sun May 21, 2023 9:24 pm

helmclaret wrote: ↑
Sat May 20, 2023 2:42 pm
Would love to see a list of his ‘gaffs’ last season.

I think that he made roughly the same number of gaffs over the season as Pope did the previous season - although I don't dispute that Pope had a lot more to do, so in percentage terms Muric's two or three errors would be greater.