Our No. 1 keeper?

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Re: Our No. 1 keeper?

Post by aggi » Sun May 21, 2023 9:44 pm

So we're looking for a keeper with the shot-stopping and cross-taking ability of Pope and the distribution of Muric for, I would guess, about £10m. Should be easy enough.
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Re: Our No. 1 keeper?

Post by boatshed bill » Sun May 21, 2023 9:51 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Sun May 21, 2023 9:24 pm
I think that he made roughly the same number of gaffs over the season as Pope did the previous season - although I don't dispute that Pope had a lot more to do, so in percentage terms Muric's two or three errors would be greater.
There is actually no point in the comparison. Totally different defensive set-ups in different divisions.

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Re: Our No. 1 keeper?

Post by ClaretPete001 » Sun May 21, 2023 10:02 pm

JohnMac wrote:
Sun May 21, 2023 5:31 pm
We have some real experts on here wasting their lives working outside of football :D

Muric will be just as good as those in front of him.
Brilliant post for a football forum.

'Muric will be just as good as those in front of him so... by inference all those in front of him must be equally as good as each other.

I think that's about 80 per cent of the debate on here gone in one sentence.

We will be the first team in the history of football whose goalkeeper and 10 outfield players will be equally as good as each other throughout the season.

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Re: Our No. 1 keeper?

Post by boatshed bill » Sun May 21, 2023 10:05 pm

ClaretPete001 wrote:
Sun May 21, 2023 10:02 pm
Brilliant post for a football forum.

'Muric will be just as good as those in front of him so... by inference all those in front of him must be equally as good as each other.

I think that's about 80 per cent of the debate on here gone in one sentence.

We will be the first team in the history of football whose goalkeeper and 10 outfield players will be equally as good as each other throughout the season.
He probably meant collectively.

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Re: Our No. 1 keeper?

Post by ClaretPete001 » Sun May 21, 2023 10:19 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sun May 21, 2023 10:05 pm
He probably meant collectively.
I don't want to appear anally retentive albeit if the cap fits: essentially, it's the same point.

Jordan Pickford is the England goalkeeper playing behind a team that has managed 33 points in 37 games.

Logically speaking, if he was only as good as the players in front of him he would be the fourth worst goalkeeper in the PL.

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Re: Our No. 1 keeper?

Post by nil_desperandum » Sun May 21, 2023 10:34 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sun May 21, 2023 9:51 pm
There is actually no point in the comparison. Totally different defensive set-ups in different divisions.
I would agree that comparing the two goalkeepers is fairly pointless,but a previous poster referred to he number of "gaffs" that Muric had made.
I think it's fairly reasonable to point out that both keepers made very few gaffs that led to us conceding over the past two seasons.
An individual mistake is a gaff irrespective of what division you are in or how the team is set up. You can count them on one hand.

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Re: Our No. 1 keeper?

Post by ClaretPete001 » Sun May 21, 2023 11:11 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Sun May 21, 2023 10:34 pm
I would agree that comparing the two goalkeepers is fairly pointless,but a previous poster referred to he number of "gaffs" that Muric had made.
I think it's fairly reasonable to point out that both keepers made very few gaffs that led to us conceding over the past two seasons.
An individual mistake is a gaff irrespective of what division you are in or how the team is set up. You can count them on one hand.
It doesn't seem that reasonable tbh. We had 65 per cent possession in the Championship against opponents who had 35 per cent possession. We conceded 35 goals comfortably the lowest in the division.

If the previous point that a goalkeeper is only as good as the team in front of him is clearly not true then neither is the view that gaffs are gaffs irrespective of the division a team plays in because the number will be in some kind of correlational relationship with the number shots a goalkeeper has to save and the kind of pressure a keeper is under.

I'm not sure Pope would work in this team tbh but you'd have to be concerned at the frailty of Muric in the PL where he will face much more pressure, more shots and the team in front of him will have prolonged periods out of possession.

Of course, that is not to say he won't be brilliant but if you are comparing the two then those are factors.

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Re: Our No. 1 keeper?

Post by KRBFC » Mon May 22, 2023 4:50 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sat May 20, 2023 4:14 am
if you think Muric is poor on crosses you haven't been paying attention for the last 6 months
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Re: Our No. 1 keeper?

Post by dandeclaret » Mon May 22, 2023 4:53 pm

Claret Till I Die wrote:
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Has there ever been a keeper who never made a mistake ?
Nik Michopolous*

* Only applies to things that happened on the right hand side of his goal.... half suspect he was blind in his left eye.

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Re: Our No. 1 keeper?

Post by NewClaret » Thu May 25, 2023 6:51 pm

Muric best bits:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S5omj4Ply ... e=youtu.be

I’d love us to get Verbruggen in summer but want Muric as our #1

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Re: Our No. 1 keeper?

Post by boatshed bill » Thu May 25, 2023 7:24 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Thu May 25, 2023 6:51 pm
Muric best bits:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S5omj4Ply ... e=youtu.be

I’d love us to get Verbruggen in summer but want Muric as our #1
Surely if he comes to the PL it will be with Man Utd.

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Re: Our No. 1 keeper?

Post by NewClaret » Thu May 25, 2023 7:31 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Thu May 25, 2023 7:24 pm
Surely if he comes to the PL it will be with Man Utd.
Well looks that way. Shame we couldn’t secure him last summer. At least we got to see his reveal video!! :lol:

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Re: Our No. 1 keeper?

Post by GetIntoEm » Thu May 25, 2023 7:55 pm

Better keeper than Pope. 100%

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Re: Our No. 1 keeper?

Post by Darnhill Claret » Thu May 25, 2023 8:31 pm

First, I'm a big Muric fan.
Second, Nick Pope is much improved with his feet this season.

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