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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:10 pm

beddie wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:04 pm
I’ll be honest I’m 69 years of age (male) and don’t know how to cook. My wife is often having a go at me for not making an effort to learn, she’s happy to teach me but I’ve really no interest. If I was suddenly on my own I know I’d end up eating junk. I’ll also add I did think last autumn about enrolling on an evening course but I’m a bit embarrassed that I can’t even cook an egg. Is there any hope for me?
Yep - just start off with something simple

Can of mackerel (in tomato sauce) can of chopped tomatoes, one onion, some mixed spices, some salt (not a lot), one whole pepper and some pasta

Fry the onion and the mixed spice in some vegetable oil for about five minutes, add the mackerel, tomatoes, the salt the pepper chopped up - cook for 20 minutes - while that is going on stick the pasta in some hot water and cook it for 12-14 minutes and then serve

(variation on a Jamie Oliver recipe using Mackeral instead of Tuna, and mixed spice instead of chilli)
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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by yTib » Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:13 pm

i'll be doing this one later in the week once i've polished off that chicken:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s78ExRg ... annel=KQED

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Hipper » Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:15 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 5:04 pm
How would one class the meal I've just prepared for my Son & Daughter-in-law's tea ?

Tuna & Pasta bake ... cooked dried pasta in salt water, chopped a fresh courgette, tomatoes, pepper, red onion & mushrooms and pan fried in a mix of butter and extra virgin olive, seasoned with mixed herbs etc. Added a tin of tuna, 3 sausages in chunks and a can of cream of mushroom soup ... a right mix of dried, fresh, tinned etc ...
I used to eat tinned tuna. I noticed that even bones in these tins have been cooked to such an extent that they are soft. They are probably over cooked to achieve this. Furthermore one of the apparent benefits of tuna is Omega 3 fat. I heard somewhere that the processing of tinned tuna means there is no omega 3 in tinned tuna. Other sources say there is! Who knows the truth. Tinned fish seem over processed to me and I no longer buy it.

Just looked up Tesco's mushroom soup - amongst a host of ingredients is sugar. Also 'Stabilisers (Sodium Polyphosphate, Disodium Diphosphate) whatever they are.

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:19 pm

Hipper wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:15 pm
I used to eat tinned tuna. I noticed that even bones in these tins have been cooked to such an extent that they are soft. They are probably over cooked to achieve this. Furthermore one of the apparent benefits of tuna is Omega 3 fat. I heard somewhere that the processing of tinned tuna means there is no omega 3 in tinned tuna. Other sources say there is! Who knows the truth. Tinned fish seem over processed to me and I no longer buy it.

Just looked up Tesco's mushroom soup - amongst a host of ingredients is sugar. Also 'Stabilisers (Sodium Polyphosphate, Disodium Diphosphate) whatever they are.
But the huge advantage of tins is that its 100% recyclable

If you are really concerned, you can look at the food label on the side which tells you how good/bad stuff is

Obviously, the more home cooked stuff the better, but most of us eat from a budget, so you spread that out

For a weekly shop for family of four (two teenagers) we are currently topping out at about £70 a week (£50 Aldi, £20 Asda) and we think that is pretty good

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Rowls » Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:20 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:07 pm
I'm not opposed to the cook book at all, its a great idea, but its an idea that has come about because of the cost of living crisis, which isn't something that a G7 nation like ours should be having
I don't think the collective wealth of the nation should affect this. It will always be better for us to cook from scratch with fresh ingredients.
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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by yTib » Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:21 pm

i'm also a fan of tinned mackerel. much nicer than sardines and cheaper than tuna.

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:23 pm

Rowls wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:20 pm
I don't think the collective wealth of the nation should affect this. It will always be better for us to cook from scratch with fresh ingredients.
Completely agree with the last bit - now think about it - pasta is twice as expensive as it was last year, cheese is ridiculous, grapes, vegetables, they have all gone up -

Even with the £1 pound cook books that gets tight for people, and that isn't including the energy costs in that either

Denying its an issue doesn't change its an issue

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by yTib » Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:24 pm

Rowls wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:20 pm
I don't think the collective wealth of the nation should affect this. It will always be better for us to cook from scratch with fresh ingredients.
agreed. apparently this nation was never healthier than the 50s when we were penniless.

i get lancaster's point but this period of inflated food prices could well have a silver lining if properly managed. (dream on).
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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by bpgburn » Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:25 pm

Sad state of modern life where people can find the time to spend literally hours a day trawling, reading and posting on an array of social media platforms but don't have the time to cook a healthy nutritious meal from scratch, which incidentally can be done in as little as 20 minutes.
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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Rowls » Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:29 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:23 pm
Completely agree with the last bit - now think about it - pasta is twice as expensive as it was last year, cheese is ridiculous, grapes, vegetables, they have all gone up -

Even with the £1 pound cook books that gets tight for people, and that isn't including the energy costs in that either

Denying its an issue doesn't change its an issue
Well we could derail the thread and talk about why we've got inflation (*cough* paying for our disastrous lockdowns *cough*) but I'm hoping that as many people watch the panorama tonight.

Here's the link for it again.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/ ... n/panorama

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Rowls » Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:30 pm

yTib wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:24 pm
agreed. apparently this nation was never healthier than the 50s when we were penniless.

i get lancaster's point but this period of inflated food prices could well have a silver lining if properly managed. (dream on).
That's true but the flip side is that the reason we were so healthy back then was because we still had rationing. Nobody was stuffing their faces with junk food but it wasn't out of choice!

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Rowls » Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:32 pm

bpgburn wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:25 pm
Sad state of modern life where people can find the time to spend literally hours a day trawling, reading and posting on an array of social media platforms but don't have the time to cook a healthy nutritious meal from scratch, which incidentally can be done in as little as 20 minutes.
Sadly, I think there are a couple of generations out there who've lost the skills that used to be passed down through families.

It will take a bit of effort to get the country cooking again but it's something well worth doing. It's a particular problem with white working class communities. The daftest thing is that it won't cost anybody *anything* to cook more - it will save us money AND make us healthier and happier.

It just takes a bit of time and a few basic cooking skills.
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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Hipper » Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:33 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:19 pm
But the huge advantage of tins is that its 100% recyclable

If you are really concerned, you can look at the food label on the side which tells you how good/bad stuff is

Obviously, the more home cooked stuff the better, but most of us eat from a budget, so you spread that out

For a weekly shop for family of four (two teenagers) we are currently topping out at about £70 a week (£50 Aldi, £20 Asda) and we think that is pretty good
Surely one shouldn't buy food based on its container? I buy frozen tuna but by weight it cost just over twice as much as tinned, and if I buy so called fresh tuna, it's more then twice as much again (i.e five times the cost of tinned).

You budget well. I'm on my own and just buy what I want regardless of price (I'm lucky I can do that). I spend at Tescos (here in Hertfordshire) about the same as you! On top of that I buy stuff online (such as dried beans, rice) which I can't get to my liking at the supermarket, so my grocery bill is probably even more!

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by JohnMcGreal » Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:35 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 5:04 pm
How would one class the meal I've just prepared for my Son & Daughter-in-law's tea ?

Tuna & Pasta bake ... cooked dried pasta in salt water, chopped a fresh courgette, tomatoes, pepper, red onion & mushrooms and pan fried in a mix of butter and extra virgin olive, seasoned with mixed herbs etc. Added a tin of tuna, 3 sausages in chunks and a can of cream of mushroom soup ... a right mix of dried, fresh, tinned etc ...
I'd class it as absolutely revolting :lol:

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Bosscat » Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:39 pm

yTib wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:24 pm
agreed. apparently this nation was never healthier than the 50s when we were penniless.

i get lancaster's point but this period of inflated food prices could well have a silver lining if properly managed. (dream on).
Aye we were far better off when we were poor...
Used to get up at 4 in't morning and lick road clean wi'tongue ...

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by yTib » Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:40 pm

Bosscat wrote:
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Aye we were far better off when we were poor...
Used to get up at 4 in't morning and lick road clean wi'tongue ...
luxury!
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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:52 pm

Some very selective economics going on here so I'll leave you to it

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Greenmile » Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:55 pm

Rowls wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:38 pm
The BBC are highlighting this problem tonight at 8:00pm in Panorama. Bravo!

There are two simple rules to follow in your cooking.

1. If it contains an ingredient you haven't heard of then it's ultra processed.
2. If you only have to heat it in an oven/microwave it's ready-to-eat then it's ultra processed.

Cook from scratch as often as possible. You will be healthier & happier and you will save tonnes and tonnes of money.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m ... ill-health
This bit can’t possibly be true, can it? I hadn’t heard of Jerusalem Artichokes until a few months’ back.
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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by fatboy47 » Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:56 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 5:04 pm
How would one class the meal I've just prepared for my Son & Daughter-in-law's tea ?

Tuna & Pasta bake ... cooked dried pasta in salt water, chopped a fresh courgette, tomatoes, pepper, red onion & mushrooms and pan fried in a mix of butter and extra virgin olive, seasoned with mixed herbs etc. Added a tin of tuna, 3 sausages in chunks and a can of cream of mushroom soup ... a right mix of dried, fresh, tinned etc ...

Fine if you'd stopped at the word tuna, and substituted "fresh" for "mixed".

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Boss Hogg » Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:02 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 5:04 pm
How would one class the meal I've just prepared for my Son & Daughter-in-law's tea ?

Tuna & Pasta bake ... cooked dried pasta in salt water, chopped a fresh courgette, tomatoes, pepper, red onion & mushrooms and pan fried in a mix of butter and extra virgin olive, seasoned with mixed herbs etc. Added a tin of tuna, 3 sausages in chunks and a can of cream of mushroom soup ... a right mix of dried, fresh, tinned etc ...
Sausages in a tuna pasta - gip

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Boss Hogg » Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:03 pm

4midable wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 5:24 pm
Get a better job
Stupid comment

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Bosscat » Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:07 pm

Boss Hogg wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:03 pm
Stupid comment
"Stupid is as Stupid does" as the quote goes 😉

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Clovius Boofus » Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:28 pm

I thought it was the 1940s wartime years when our nation was considered to be at its healthiest? Lots of good wholesome homegrown cooking, along with the government-funded price-capped canteens and cafes/restaurants selling nutritious meals.

I might be wrong, but I think everyone binged on sugar in the 1950s once rationing was lifted.

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Rowls » Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:29 pm

Greenmile wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:55 pm


This bit can’t possibly be true, can it? I hadn’t heard of Jerusalem Artichokes until a few months’ back.
Lol. :lol:

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Rowls » Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:32 pm

Clovius Boofus wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:28 pm
I thought it was the 1940s wartime years when our nation was considered to be at its healthiest? Lots of good wholesome homegrown cooking, along with the government-funded price-capped canteens and cafes/restaurants selling nutritious meals.

I might be wrong, but I think everyone binged on sugar in the 1950s once rationing was lifted.
Rationing continued well into the 50s.

"Healthiest" is a bit subjective here. The nation all smoked like chimnies so weren't really all that "healthy". The generation that grew up in the poverty of the 30s suffered from true malnutrition and diseases like rickets etc. Children and the infirm were at far higher risk from contagious diseases.

But it's a truism to say that rationing gave us the healthiest diet as a nation that we've ever had.

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by fatboy47 » Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:32 pm

Rowls wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 5:46 pm
"Jungle Economics" all from the BBC, fatboy :)
Indeed 😊

Great documentary, showing the value of having a broadcaster thats more than a tool of its commercial sponsors. 😉

Thanks for flagging it.

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Bosscat » Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:35 pm

Rowls wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:32 pm
Rationing continued well into the 50s.

"Healthiest" is a bit subjective here. The nation all smoked like chimnies so weren't really all that "healthy". The generation that grew up in the poverty of the 30s suffered from true malnutrition and diseases like rickets etc. Children and the infirm were at far higher risk from contagious diseases.

But it's a truism to say that rationing gave us the healthiest diet as a nation that we've ever had.
Reminds me of "Capstick come home"

I'll never forget that first day at t'pit.
Me an' mi father worked a 72 hour shift, then wi walked home 43 mile through t'snow in us bare feet, huddled inside us clothes med out o' old sacks.
Eventually we trudged over t'hill until wi could see t'street light twinklin' in our village.
Mi father smiled down at mi through t'icicles hangin' off his nose. "Nearly home now lad", he said.
We stumbled into t'house and stood there freezin' cold and tired out, shiverin' and miserable, in front o' t' meagre fire.
Any road, mi mam says "Cheer up, lads. I've got you some nice brown bread and butter for yer tea."
Ee, mi father went crackers. He reached out and gently pulled mi mam towards 'im by t'throat. "You big fat, idle ugly wart", he said. "You gret useless spawny-eyed parrot-faced wazzock." ('E had a way wi words, mi father. He'd bin to college, y'know). "You've been out playin' bingo all afternoon instead o' gettin' some proper snap ready for me an' this lad", he explained to mi poor, little, purple-faced mam.
Then turnin' to me he said "Arthur", (He could never remember mi name), "here's half a crown. Nip down to t'chip 'oyl an' get us a nice piece o' 'addock for us tea. Man cannot live by bread alone."
He were a reyt tater, mi father.
He said as 'ow workin' folk should have some dignity an' pride an' self respect, an' as 'ow they should come home to summat warm an' cheerful.
An' then he threw mi mam on t'fire.
We didn't 'ave no tellies or shoes or bedclothes.
We med us own fun in them days.
Do you know, when I were a lad you could get a tram down into t'town, buy three new suits an' an ovvercoat, four pair o' good boots, go an' see Frank Randall at t'Palace Theatre, get blind drunk, 'ave some steak an' chips, bunch o' bananas an' three stone o' monkey nuts an' still 'ave change out of a farthing.
We'd lots o' things in them days they 'aven't got today - rickets, diptheria, Hitler and my, we did look well goin' to school wi' no backside in us trousers an' all us little 'eads painted purple because we 'ad ringworm.
They don't know they're born today!!!

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Clovius Boofus » Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:38 pm

Rationing was lifted in 1954.

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by No Ney Never » Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:15 pm

Stop telling yourself you deserve a treat on a regular basis, be more active instead of sitting in front of a screen every night from T time to bed.

A bar of chocolate or a bag of crisps at the weekend was a treat and we went to the shop and got it as and when, not buying a trolley load at the supermarket and filling a kitchen cupboard full of the stuff while every night dipping into it. Just eat your meals and stop all the snacks.

Because television wasn't all that and computers and mobile phones weren't a thing, we used to do stuff, that kept us active. Too many no longer take part in any sort of activity that requires getting up from a seat and doing something.

As for processed food, when you are manipulating it to such a degree and adding ingredients that while allegedly safe for human consumption, doesn't mean it's of any nutritional value.
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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by timshorts » Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:17 pm

Boss Hogg wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:02 pm
Sausages in a tuna pasta - gip
Sounds a bit Filipino to me. Take a nice recipe and then throw in some sliced frankfurter sausage to mess it up.
Spaghetti bolognese has frankfurter sausage in it (the rest is nice if a bit sweet).
Embutido. Seriously tasty minced pork or chicken recipe, but then trashed by inserting frankfurter sausage and boiled egg. I make a variant with mushroom stalks. Much nicer.

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Pickles » Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:19 pm

Haven't read all the thread but the amount of sugar in "healthy" "natural" juice drinks is absolutely insane.

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Venkys4eva » Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:20 pm

One thing food manufacturers are always trying to increase is product shelf life. Cost is another because everyone wants something cheaper and then finally convenience because people want things to be quick and easy.

So thats shelf life, cost and convenience and each one comes at a cost in the amount of additives and preservatives needed.

Ive work as a food technologist for 25 years and I don't eat processed foods because once you have witnessed the processes and ingredients used it puts you right off.

At home we eat quality meat from the local butchers but just dont eat it as often. Everything else we eat is made from scratch and it certainly doesn't have to be expensive.

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by RickyBobby » Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:23 pm

If you have a society where 1 wage can no longer sustain a family, and both parents having to work full time is not only encouraged but is absolutely necessary to aboid poverty, then home cooking is going to fall by the way side. When both parents work 9-5 and have to travel at least 30 mins to work and then again from work as well as deal with everything else how can you possibly have the time and energy to cook meals from scratch everyday?

This was inevitable and is only going to get worse. It isn’t about money, you can see that by the number who get takeaways everyday, the fact is people no longer have the time and the energy.
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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Rowls » Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:34 pm

Review of the Panorama programme:

Disappointing it went down a singular route of looking at regulation when so many of the UK are willingly gulping down bad food. Every food additive consumed in the UK has been found safe within the permitted doses. That's not to say that you'd want to eat these things, simply that they won't kill you in a small enough dose.

There were lots of scary inferences but little evidence or balanced debate about the varied ways to consider what additives should and shouldn't be banned.

If you want a much more mature look into why some additives get banned and others don't -even when we know they have the potential to be harmful- then watch the link below. It's a much more rounded, fairer, more nuanced and also more rigorous look at the issues facing regulators. Highly recommended for everybody but especially if you've got a young family and concerned for children's health.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-WKprPrjHw

It's an Australian lady who runs a youtube account but she does a much better dissection of the issues regarding food safety and regulation of additives in 20 minutes than the BBC just offered us over 30 minutes.

The final line of Panorama was "Is it time to take stronger action?" but the programme didn't give us any of the information we'd need to make an informed answer to that question.

The BBC, being a publicly funded body and with an obligation to educate us, could have actually promoted healthier ways of eating and informed viewers what to do to avoid consuming crappy food. It didn't do any of that.

Here's a few things I observed in France where, if you've seen the map I posted earlier in this thread, they eat a LOT less processed crap.

* They shop small and regularly. By avoiding gigantic "big shops" they're more inclined to buy fresh food and eat healthily.
* They shop locally - ideally in walking distance. This isn't possible for a large proportion of the UK population but if you can walk to your local shops you should do. By walking you'll only be able to buy what you can carry and you'll end up prioritising healthier, fresh produce
* They eat as families. This is vital. A meal becomes a social event. They're less likely to overeat, the converse and their mental health is better as a result.

It's good to see the BBC covering these topics and bringing these subjects to the public fore but that was a missed opportunity to do something good with license payer's money.

"Eat Well For Less" was/is a far superior TV programme. There's a big fear of being didactic among certain people lest their seen to be patronizing or condescending but whoever made that Panorama programme has done a poor job. The UK's poor health is NOT the result of a lack of regulation - we have one of the most stringent regulatory bodies in the world and until basically last month we had the exact same regulation as the whole of the EU.

I know for a fact that on the vast majority of food standards, the UK exceeds the majority of EU standards. So how does that explain the divide in Europe whereby some countries eat fresh food and others eat much more processed food? It doesn't. Because eating processed food and the regulation of food additives are correlated. The citizens of these countries are clearly making different decisions based on their culture and society - not because of regulations.

Essentially it's down to personal choices. In the UK we suffer from a lack of knowledge and a whole host of social and demographic issues that have been ingrained for decades. It's going to take generations to challenge and overcome these issues. Pointing fingers and making empty inferences against regulatory bodies isn't going to help anybody.

The solution is more education and better information, not more regulation.

I'm disappointed with that.

"Eat Well For Less" will teach you far more useful information than this episode of Panorama.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0520lz9
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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by fatboy47 » Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:40 pm

No Ney Never wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:15 pm


A bar of chocolate or a bag of crisps at the weekend was a treat and we went to the shop and got it as and when, not buying a trolley load at the supermarket and filling a kitchen cupboard full of the stuff while every night dipping into it.

Very true.

I was shocked to measure my waist at 42" and BP at 155/90 in mid January.... I cut out all the sugary crap from 1st Feb...really amazed by the instant effect...now very slightly under 36", BP 122/78 and way fitter....and not missing the "" sugar lows" halfway round my daily coastal walks.
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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by tarkys_ears » Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:43 pm

Looks like he got the thread he wanted.

Could have written a script as to how the back and forth would have gone and with whom.

...and here we are

Bless!
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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by fatboy47 » Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:49 pm

Rowls wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:34 pm







It's good to see the BBC covering these topics and bringing these subjects to the public fore but that was a missed opportunity to do something good with license payer's money.



Yes.... Maybe with a little less pressure from the Tory/ business lobby they'd feel able to produce something slightly more challenging.

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Exsus » Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:58 pm

bpgburn wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:25 pm
Sad state of modern life where people can find the time to spend literally hours a day trawling, reading and posting on an array of social media platforms but don't have the time to cook a healthy nutritious meal from scratch, which incidentally can be done in as little as 20 minutes.
Like Lancaster and Rawls you mean.

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Bosscat » Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:58 pm

Exsus wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:58 pm
Like Lancaster and Rawls you mean.
Ouch 🤣🤣🤣

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Rowls » Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:00 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:43 pm
Looks like he got the thread he wanted.

Could have written a script as to how the back and forth would have gone and with whom.

...and here we are

Bless!
How on earth have you come to this conclusion? I've just posted that I did NOT get the programme I wanted!

Panorama tonight was a great topic for the BBC to make a programme that left viewers saying, "I'm going to eat healthier. I'm going to cook from scratch and we'll eat as a family. We'll be healthier, happier and we'll save money."

Instead we got a programme with tabloid style scares about additives that have passed as safe the world over and some very sketchy, flaky and lame inferences of conflicts of interest. I imagine a lot of the viewers who watched might want to avoid aspartame after watching but did the BBC inform us how the regulatory bodies across the world who have approved aspartame for consumption monitor and evaluate studies? It did not.

The piece on the twins would have been interesting, if they'd pursued it. One twin gained weight, the other lost weight, despite them eating the same amount of calories. That was fascinating but there wasn't any analysis of this. We could have seen what they were eating but we weren't given much detail on that.

We could have been told the kind of diet that would help us avoid processed foods but we didn't get any of that.

It was more like a Daily Mail article entitled "Is Aspartame Killing You?" than a serious documentary.
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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Rowls » Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:03 pm

Exsus wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:58 pm
Like Lancaster and Rawls you mean.
Hurr hurr hurr

I cook from scratch around 80% of the time. Lancaster posted some impressively low figures for his weekly shopping budget so I suspect he and his family eat home-cooked non-processed food the vast majority of the time.

Which goes to show how easy it is to make time for a "hobby" AND still have the time to cook from scratch and eat healthily.

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Post by tarkys_ears » Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:03 pm

Oh come on, you've been waiting for Lancaster all day for this!!

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Rowls » Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:04 pm

fatboy47 wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:40 pm
Very true.

I was shocked to measure my waist at 42" and BP at 155/90 in mid January.... I cut out all the sugary crap from 1st Feb...really amazed by the instant effect...now very slightly under 36", BP 122/78 and way fitter....and not missing the "" sugar lows" halfway round my daily coastal walks.
Impressive work, slimboy :)

Keep it up!
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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Rowls » Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:06 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:03 pm
Oh come on, you've been waiting for Lancaster all day for this!!
Not at all and we found a fair bit of common ground.

The reason being, it's fairly obvious that eating home-cooked food is far healthier and better for us. It's a shame Panorama didn't even bother mentioning this.
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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by jdrobbo » Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:35 pm

There are a number of discussion points here…

The ultra-processed food market is absolutely saturated. It’s what we have become used to and a whole change in mindset is needed to change that.

Diet…grab bags and multi-saver deals are contributing heavily to the nation’s diabetes epidemic. At least when the option used to be a small chocolate bar or a tube of pastels, you could control your calories. It takes a great deal of restraint to only eat 30g of Pringles from a big tube, or 15 Aero Bubbles from a grab bag!

Cooking from scratch is the absolute way to do it. It is affordable. Just box clever. I’ve just got back from Morrisons (went at 9:40) and got three packs of meat of £0.82, reduced from £3.99. If you’re not fussy, there is always a bargain to be had.

I eat A LOT of salad and I do find that this is getting quite expensive. Local market, supermarket…all dear, even the British grown stuff.

Is it too late to start cooking? Absolutely not. Just keep in dead simple. Lancaster’s recipe to start with is exactly how easily it can be done.

Weight loss…there are a million diets…but unfortunately, despite being an intelligent breed of animal, we still struggle with the concept of ‘calorie deficit’… burn off less than you put in your gob, you lose weight over time. Move your body more; your calorie deficit increases.

Oh and one thing I’m terrible at…drink water, lots of water!!
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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:54 pm

Rowls wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:32 pm
Rationing continued well into the 50s.

"Healthiest" is a bit subjective here. The nation all smoked like chimnies so weren't really all that "healthy". The generation that grew up in the poverty of the 30s suffered from true malnutrition and diseases like rickets etc. Children and the infirm were at far higher risk from contagious diseases.

But it's a truism to say that rationing gave us the healthiest diet as a nation that we've ever had.
One advantage I suppose of being the only nation to vote for economic sanctions on itself

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Rowls » Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:59 pm

jdrobbo wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:35 pm
It takes a great deal of restraint to only eat 30g of Pringles from a big tube, or 15 Aero Bubbles from a grab bag!
This is very, very true. The best thing to do is to limit how many of these items you buy when you're in the shop. Once they're in your house and open you've lost the battle.

Or better still, don't buy these kind of products in a supermarket at all :)

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:00 pm

Get your sugar intake from fruit. Natural sugars.

As someone who monitors his blood sugars every minute of the day on the Libre system.

An apple a day gives a great boost in energy and fat burning qualities.

Bananas are the only food I can eat that gives me a straighline blood glucose level for 3 to 4 hours. A little boost but no feeling low an hour after a snack. Never mind all the other health benefits.
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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Bosscat » Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:01 pm

Rowls wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:59 pm
This is very, very true. The best thing to do is to limit how many of these items you buy when you're in the shop. Once they're in your house and open you've lost the battle.

Or better still, don't buy these kind of products in a supermarket at all :)
Once you pop you just can't stop 😉

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Re: Ultra Processed Food

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:18 pm

The worst downgrade in food I can give you is from fresh chicken breasts to chicken burgers in the breadcrumb crap.
Chicken, as most fresh meat, is carb free but the chicken burger comes in at up to 30g of carbs per burger.
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