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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by kentonclaret » Fri Jun 30, 2023 5:37 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Fri Jun 30, 2023 5:33 pm
Problem with Broad is that he thinks every single lbw is absolutely plumb. Must make it tough for the captain when it comes to the reviews.
I agree. If Stokes had reviewed all of Broad’s vociferous appeals where he looked convinced that he had got a wicket, England would probably have no reviews left, although they would have taken 1 more wicket.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Jun 30, 2023 5:43 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Fri Jun 30, 2023 5:33 pm
Problem with Broad is that he thinks every single lbw is absolutely plumb. Must make it tough for the captain when it comes to the reviews.
Not really down to the Captain though, since he isn't in the best position.
For an LBW the second best view to the umpire is the wicketkeeper. It's another error by our "part-time" wicketkeeper.
Carey for the Australians has been almost flawless in this respect.
As I recall, Foakes is very good on these sort of decisions.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Taffy on the wing » Fri Jun 30, 2023 5:43 pm

..................ALL IS DROSS!.....................

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Jun 30, 2023 5:57 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Fri Jun 30, 2023 5:43 pm
Not really down to the Captain though, since he isn't in the best position.
For an LBW the second best view to the umpire is the wicketkeeper. It's another error by our "part-time" wicketkeeper.
Carey for the Australians has been almost flawless in this respect.
As I recall, Foakes is very good on these sort of decisions.
Buttler was the best in the world on DRS reviews.

Bairstow has been superb with the gloves this Test. Give credit where's it due.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by TheFamilyCat » Fri Jun 30, 2023 6:22 pm

Send Bairstow out with a GoPro and a live stream to Jos. Job done.
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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by FCBurnley » Fri Jun 30, 2023 6:24 pm

Stokes clearly makes all the review decisions which as Captain he should. He got 2 right and one wrong.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Jun 30, 2023 6:30 pm

FCBurnley wrote:
Fri Jun 30, 2023 6:24 pm
Stokes clearly makes all the review decisions which as Captain he should. He got 2 right and one wrong.
Of course, but the key man who persuades him on an LBW is the wk (Usually not the bowler).

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Casper2 » Fri Jun 30, 2023 6:36 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Fri Jun 30, 2023 5:57 pm
Buttler was the best in the world on DRS reviews.

Bairstow has been superb with the gloves this Test. Give credit where's it due.
But not with the bat , which is why he was picked .

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Jun 30, 2023 6:38 pm

Casper2 wrote:
Fri Jun 30, 2023 6:36 pm
But not with the bat , which is why he was picked .
Yeah, but his recent successes have been in chases. Let's hope that continues.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by timshorts » Fri Jun 30, 2023 6:48 pm

Vino blanco wrote:
Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:58 am
Of course we have an answer to the short ball stuff......the ball isn't going to hit the wickets so don't even try to hit it. Let it go past harmlessly for a few overs, their bowlers will soon get physically tired of banging the ball in for no result. It's called test match cricket.
Maybe, but this is Australia that we are talking about. Their fall-back position is to bowl at people's heads - as that is what works well for them at home and they are good at it. That's what makes the ashes away series so mind-numbingly tiresome.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by kentonclaret » Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:20 pm

timshorts wrote:
Fri Jun 30, 2023 6:48 pm
Maybe, but this is Australia that we are talking about. Their fall-back position is to bowl at people's heads - as that is what works well for them at home and they are good at it. That's what makes the ashes away series so mind-numbingly tiresome.
Actually, a tactic first used by England in the Ashes Series Down Under of 1932/1933 (Bodyline Series) as a way of trying to combat the batting excellence of Don Bradman.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Dark Cloud » Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:25 pm

timshorts wrote:
Fri Jun 30, 2023 6:48 pm
Maybe, but this is Australia that we are talking about. Their fall-back position is to bowl at people's heads - as that is what works well for them at home and they are good at it. That's what makes the ashes away series so mind-numbingly tiresome.
In fairness Tim you're only supposed to bowl 1 bouncer per over and after that it's a no ball which was specifically brought in to stop continuing bouncing which actually simply led to continuous leaving and was boring as hell. Maybe umpires need to toughen up and apply the ruling properly.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:34 pm

Excellent summary of the situation by Aggers (IMO)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/66068007
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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Clive 1960 » Sat Jul 01, 2023 2:03 am

They have got to sit down at the end of this test match and and start asking is bazball for me because if we are going to go out there and bat the way we are and try and get 500 on day one and then bowl the other team out cheaply and then make them follow on do you think our bowling attack is going to be able to bowl again straight away personally I don't think so they are not getting any younger and need to rest there bodies especially Anderson and Broad who more than likely could call it a day at the end of the series.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Taffy on the wing » Sat Jul 01, 2023 3:56 am

nil_desperandum wrote:
Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:34 pm
Excellent summary of the situation by Aggers (IMO)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/66068007
Just about to post this!..........Watching Duckett from when he was on 80no, he seemed to be trying to get out..he can't pull the ball any better than me.... but he did it over and over until they got him out...why?

....unless you've bet on Australia to win.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by ecc » Sat Jul 01, 2023 6:15 am

kentonclaret wrote:
Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:20 pm
Actually, a tactic first used by England in the Ashes Series Down Under of 1932/1933 (Bodyline Series) as a way of trying to combat the batting excellence of Don Bradman.
Indeed.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Clive 1960 » Sat Jul 01, 2023 6:23 am

I'm afraid we are looking down the barrel and need to play sensible cricket if we can to sneak a draw and move on to next week where i expect Wood to play for either Robinson or Anderson.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Lord_Bob » Sat Jul 01, 2023 7:49 am

"Baszball" won't be looking for a draw. If we have to chase 450, we will try. Get used to it, gonna be some ugly shots being played and likely fail, but ... what is they did it???

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Ric_C » Sat Jul 01, 2023 8:19 am

A few things have alarmed me this test, but Pope's dismissal and Ben Duckett's interview have left me shaking my head.
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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by fatboy47 » Sat Jul 01, 2023 8:28 am

Brainless cricket.

With any intelligence we'd be firmly in charge of this test match now.

Actually, scrub that.....we'd be firmly in charge of the series.

If I want to simply watch a lot of inept swiping I'll watch 20/20.
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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Longsidelenny1882 » Sat Jul 01, 2023 8:34 am

That is a fantastic post fat boy 47 upthecolne

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:19 am

nil_desperandum wrote:
Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:34 pm
Excellent summary of the situation by Aggers (IMO)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/66068007
You would think someone of Aggers experience would have realised we lost the first Test because of the bowling.
70 runs to get 2 tail enders out was plenty.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Clive 1960 » Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:27 am

And also a silly declaration on day one when Root was well set .

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:28 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:19 am
You would think someone of Aggers experience would have realised we lost the first Test because of the bowling.
70 runs to get 2 tail enders out was plenty.
I assume his point was that in our 2nd innings we should / could have totally batted them out of the game.
There were also captaincy deficiencies that contributed to that final stand with Cummins.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:40 am

nil_desperandum wrote:
Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:28 am
I assume his point was that in our 2nd innings we should / could have totally batted them out of the game.
There were also captaincy deficiencies that contributed to that final stand with Cummins.
We would all do things differently at times as captain, but people should point them out rather than just slating BazBall.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:42 am

Ric_C wrote:
Sat Jul 01, 2023 8:19 am
A few things have alarmed me this test, but Pope's dismissal and Ben Duckett's interview have left me shaking my head.
Absolutely. The "battle" he was referring to was one of egos rather than the battle of winning the game.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:58 am

Clive 1960 wrote:
Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:27 am
And also a silly declaration on day one when Root was well set .
The two 6's Root hit, after being told he would declare probably took us to the total you would expect us to make if Root batted normally and they got to Bowl at our tailenders.
Not many would have declared but most know why he did.

The Aussies were big favourites to win every Test and the series with the bookies beforehand.

Stokes is trying things, some are just not coming off.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Clive 1960 » Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:05 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:58 am
The two 6's Root hit, after being told he would declare probably took us to the total you would expect us to make if Root batted normally and they got to Bowl at our tailenders.
Not many would have declared but most know why he did.

The Aussies were big favourites to win every Test and the series with the bookies beforehand.

Stokes is trying things, some are just not coming off.
Nothing as come off to be honest , they have been in the box seat in periods of both games just to throw it away against the no1 team.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by IanMcL » Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:09 am

If you play one day cricket, in a 5 day Test Match, you will often get 1 day results.

However the intention, there are times to play shots and times to hang in there.
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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by kentonclaret » Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:11 am

Very thick cloud cover and drizzle in the air again this morning. Perfect conditions for bowling.
Will England take advantage?

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by daveisaclaret » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:26 am

Ultimately what's happening here is we're behind in a test series against a team which is loads better than ours. We don't have the bowling to get 20 wickets against Australia in enough time to win the matches we've played. People may have their feelings about the approach to the game but I doubt they'd be any happier if we were seeing the same results, or even holding out for draws, while playing normal test cricket with the bat.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:27 am

Clive 1960 wrote:
Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:05 am
Nothing as come off to be honest , they have been in the box seat in periods of both games just to throw it away against the no1 team.
Exactly this. It's not as if we've been bravely swashbuckling away while being hopelessly second best. We've got into good positions then blown them.

And "oh well, nobody expected us to win anyway" is the language of losers.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Vino blanco » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:43 am

Peterson in the Third Man pundit seat has just come up with an interesting stat...the player, who has played most defensive, blocking shots in the series so far is Khawaja: he is also the series top scorer and has spent more time at the crease than any other player. He wouldn’t get into the England team with that mentality, would he?

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by gandhisflipflop » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:03 pm

I can’t understand why England are trying to bring in a twenty 20 style into test cricket. Test cricket imo is the greatest format of cricket and England don’t need to adopt this style for the sake of ‘more entertainment’

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Longsidelenny1882 » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:07 pm

Our tactics this morning look like we are playing for a draw and try and stay in the series upthecolne

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Vino blanco » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:10 pm

Longsidelenny1882 wrote:
Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:07 pm
Our tactics this morning look like we are playing for a draw and try and stay in the series upthecolne
I would be delighted with a draw.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by StayingDown4Ever » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:10 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:03 pm
I can’t understand why England are trying to bring in a twenty 20 style into test cricket. Test cricket imo is the greatest format of cricket and England don’t need to adopt this style for the sake of ‘more entertainment’
That’s just the way we play now!

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by RVclaret » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:10 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:03 pm
I can’t understand why England are trying to bring in a twenty 20 style into test cricket. Test cricket imo is the greatest format of cricket and England don’t need to adopt this style for the sake of ‘more entertainment’
Well we’d won 11 of the last 12 tests…

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:13 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:10 pm
Well we’d won 11 of the last 12 tests…
Funny isn’t it. I can see the point that there are periods within matches where we need to adopt a different approach and we’ve certainly been guilty of not doing, but this approach will seemingly win us more matches than it will lose us as our record under McCullum and Stokes shows.

Who’s to say that we would be in any different a position had we plodded at 3 runs an over?

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by CoolClaret » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:20 pm

Smith showing our ‘batters’ exactly how to play a pull shot

Regards to the style

No one is suggesting that we shouldn’t be aggressive

We’re suggesting playing the short ball like we did yesterday and the night before is just wreckless

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:21 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:20 pm
Smith showing our ‘batters’ exactly how to play a pull shot

Regards to the style

No one is suggesting that we shouldn’t be aggressive

We’re suggesting playing the short ball like we did yesterday and the night before is just wreckless
Mental and illogical.

Our foot was on their throat playing solid cricket shots. All of sudden the entire batting line up decided to attack every short ball.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Vino blanco » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:22 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:13 pm
Funny isn’t it. I can see the point that there are periods within matches where we need to adopt a different approach and we’ve certainly been guilty of not doing, but this approach will seemingly win us more matches than it will lose us as our record under McCullum and Stokes shows.

Who’s to say that we would be in any different a position had we plodded at 3 runs an over?
3 runs an over in a test match is not plodding.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by RVclaret » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:25 pm

Khawaja and Smith both fall to the hook shot.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Vino blanco » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:25 pm

Anderson drops Travis Head on nought, then Smith out next ball.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:26 pm

I really like Tongue he looks a great addition to our test squad

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by CoolClaret » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:26 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:20 pm
Smith showing our ‘batters’ exactly how to play a pull shot
Until now 🤣

Wow - I can’t believe how many batters have thrown their wickets away lazily taking on the short ball

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:28 pm

Jimmy has dropped a couple of dolly’s this game

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Vino blanco » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:30 pm

Poor shots from both Khawaja and Smith, though they are 280 ahead with 7 wickets standing.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Jamesy » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:38 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:28 pm
Jimmy has dropped a couple of dolly’s this game
He has. Fine margins.

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Re: Ashes Second Test

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:38 pm

Vino blanco wrote:
Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:22 pm
3 runs an over in a test match is not plodding.
What would you describe it as?

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