Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

[dermotdermot]

I do wish that we’d given Ashley another year.We’ll regret letting him go at this rate.

[Quicknick]

I do wish that we’d given Ashley another year.We’ll regret letting him go at this rate.

At this rate? How do you know we haven't already got someone lined up?

[Burnley1989]

At this rate? How do you know we haven't already got someone lined up?

I swear some folk just put the ‘bed wetting panic’ on to get bites

[Ightenhill_Claret]

The From The Bee Hole End transfer special is out now! Belgian transfer king Sacha Tavolieri gives us some real insight into Burnley's approach to the market, bats away the rumours of Benson to AC Milan and has the latest on Mike Tresor, Aster Vranckx and others!

He also gives us his view on Kompany and the Burnley project, which is also fascinating.

Plus we've got Dan Barnes on James Trafford.

No agenda just start to finish transfer goodness!

https://open.spotify.com/episode/4ogP8g ... ade6d74092

[Newcastleclaret93]

The From The Bee Hole End transfer special is out now! Belgian transfer king Sacha Tavolieri gives us some real insight into Burnley's approach to the market, bats away the rumours of Benson to AC Milan and has the latest on Mike Tresor, Aster Vranckx and others!

He also gives us his view on Kompany and the Burnley project, which is also fascinating.

Plus we've got Dan Barnes on James Trafford.

No agenda just start to finish transfer goodness!

https://open.spotify.com/episode/4ogP8g ... ade6d74092

Bit disappointed we are not chasing Vrankx deal, sounds like he is really interested

[Newcastleclaret93]

Bit disappointed we are not chasing Vrankx deal, sounds like he is really interested

Actually have I misunderstood what Sacha is saying?

[Hedontplayforyou]

What does he say about Vrankx? For those who don’t have the time to listen .

[Ightenhill_Claret]

I think there's interest but it sounds like we have a very different approach to other teams it seems from what Sacha told us. I really like the sound of his style of play so I'm hoping we move the move.

[Newcastleclaret93]

What does he say about Vrankx? For those who don’t have the time to listen .

I might have misunderstood but it sounded to me like Vrankx wants premier league football and is interested in us, but we are not chasing the deal like Celta are.

[123EasyasBFC]

I think there's interest but it sounds like we have a very different approach to other teams it seems from what Sacha told us. I really like the sound of his style of play so I'm hoping we move the move.

It almost sounded like we have that many targets and scouted that many players that we don’t know yet which ones to press the accelerator on to get them over the line

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Bit disappointed we are not chasing Vrankx deal, sounds like he is really interested

Have you voiced your concerns to the manager and owner yet? They sound like they need all the help they can get in the transfer market judging by the past 12 months!

[Pearcey]

Have you voiced your concerns to the manager and owner yet? They sound like they need all the help they can get in the transfer market judging by the past 12 months!

That’s that then. No more transfer discussion.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Have you voiced your concerns to the manager and owner yet? They sound like they need all the help they can get in the transfer market judging by the past 12 months!

Weird reply

[RicardoMontalban]

I might have misunderstood but it sounded to me like Vrankx wants premier league football and is interested in us, but we are not chasing the deal like Celta are.

I might need to listen again but as I understood it, we are interested but it’s both a feature of how we now work and the fact he’s one of a list that gives that impression. It sounds fascinating that we now operate in a very different way to how we used to on transfers.

[Ightenhill_Claret]

I might have misunderstood but it sounded to me like Vrankx wants premier league football and is interested in us, but we are not chasing the deal like Celta are.

Yeah spot on Newcastle. The Spanish press are saying Celta are in advanced talks but Sacha says that's not the case. Player really wants Premier League football.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I might need to listen again but as I understood it, we are interested but it’s both a feature of how we now work and the fact he’s one of a list that gives that impression. It sounds fascinating that we now operate in a very different way to how we used to on transfers.

Yes that very well could be right. I struggled to understand the context around what he was saying

[Ightenhill_Claret]

I might need to listen again but as I understood it, we are interested but it’s both a feature of how we now work and the fact he’s one of a list that gives that impression. It sounds fascinating that we now operate in a very different way to how we used to on transfers.

I think VK has alluded to it in the past that we have a very different approach. I think there is clarity in his mind (and Pace et al) in terms of what he wants and what players would fit that system but rather than all the eggs being in once basket, there's alternatives that are at the same level when it comes to the data etc.

Definitely fascinating as you say.

[RicardoMontalban]

I think VK has alluded to it in the past that we have a very different approach. I think there is clarity in his mind (and Pace et al) in terms of what he wants and what players would fit that system but rather than all the eggs being in once basket, there's alternatives that are at the same level when it comes to the data etc.

Definitely fascinating as you say.

He said it’s university stuff rather than academy when talking about the football, but feels like that extends beyond the pitch and training ground. Got to love that.

[Shaggy]

Wonder when the panic button will make an appearance… looks like some are already reaching for it.

So far looks like we have done some smart business…

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

That’s that then. No more transfer discussion.

From some posters that would come as a blessing.

[CrosspoolClarets]

I heard the podcast which was excellent and I suspect Burnley have over 20 irons in the fire, it seems like Vrankx would crawl here now given the chance but it may be he is number 2 on our list, someone like Lokonga may be number 1.

There may also be nuances about agent’s demand, clauses to add etc, which may make a player number 2 choice whereas on talent he could have been number 1. So it is all cat and mouse.

I have no doubts though that we are going big on some of these players. We will sign some, no doubts.

The Tresor one may be the different one where the player is courted by many and may go elsewhere despite possibly being our top choice, a bit like Verbruggen.

[arise_sir_charge]

Wonder when the panic button will make an appearance… looks like some are already reaching for it.

So far looks like we have done some smart business…

It’s already been pressed, season is only 5 weeks away you know.

[NewClaret]

There may also be nuances about agent’s demand, clauses to add etc, which may make a player number 2 choice whereas on talent he could have been number 1. So it is all cat and mouse.

Not listened to the podcast, but if agents demands were discussed then it ties in with something I was told about Verbruggen - agent got very greedy & we backed out.

I was also told before the season ended we had 45+ players on our radar, which I didn’t believe tbh, but seems from the amount of links and this journalists account that might actually be true. As you say, a lot can go wrong in a deal - agents, other clubs coming in, etc. - so it makes sense but can come across as a bit scattergun when you don’t know what’s going on.

[RicardoMontalban]

Not listened to the podcast, but if agents demands were discussed then it ties in with something I was told about Verbruggen - agent got very greedy & we backed out.

There was a comment from Sacha right at the beginning, that I just about caught, which suggested there’d been some games played late on which put us off.

[RVclaret]

Kompany actually wanted Trafford on loan at Anderlecht last summer (had he stayed) which is interesting given Verbruggen was already there.

[warksclaret]

We are still a bit of an unknown for foreign players, so the challenge now that we are after better players is tougher. I think if we have a fairish/good season in the PL, recruitment will get easier. For now we need to rely on the magnetism created by VK in wanting to play for him, which was evident 12 months ago in our recruitment, and also place trust in the new recruitment team, in whom of late I have been very impressed with.Light years ahead of what we were two to three seasons ago

[KRBFC]

Is anyone going to sort this site out???

Surely someone can set a thread for just general chat!!!!

transfers interest all supporters yet it is impossible to check in and see updates without reading page after page of benign rubbish.

Am I missing the point of Thread Titles???

I always like how temporary posters demand the site be ran their way, temporary because it’s the posters you only see during the transfer window. I recommend newsnow if you only want links to dubious transfer articles.

[jedi_master]

I always like how temporary posters demand the site be ran their way, temporary because it’s the posters you only see during the transfer window. I recommend newsnow if you only want links to dubious transfer articles.

Couldn't agree more.

[AfloatinClaret]

... I suspect Burnley have over 20 irons in the fire...

There may also be nuances about agent’s demand, clauses to add etc, which may make a player number 2 choice whereas on talent he could have been number 1. So it is all cat and mouse.

I have no doubts though that we are going big on some of these players. We will sign some, no doubts.

... where the player is courted by many and may go elsewhere despite possibly being our top choice...

I see things similarly and have no concerns that next season's side isn't already signed, sealed and delivered.
If the selling clubs and players' agents are aware that their man is wanted by BFC, perhaps even our preferred option, but not our 'only' option, then they are obliged to keep that in mind during negotiations. Our policy won't see players being signed significantly earlier, but it will probably see us signing players on more favourable terms and leave us less likely to be doing a Dale Stephens and signing whatever's left at the end

[jedi_master]

My suspicion is we have tens of plates spinning at the moment, but Kompany has his 'first choice' picks in each position. He will only move onto the second choice pick (Which is probably a simpler deal to complete) once it has become clear we are not getting the first choice. We have seen this with Verbruggen and moving to Trafford. I would think there is a date in Kompany's head where he feels he cannot wait any longer for his first choice to be tied up and moves down the list a bit, but perhaps we are not there yet.

[NewClaret]

There was a comment from Sacha right at the beginning, that I just about caught, which suggested there’d been some games played late on which put us off.

Really interesting. Agent came at the last asking for £2m was what I was told, which ties in.

Although with the relationships we have directly with Verbruggen, I held out some hope we’d put a call in and he might set his agent straight. But maybe he just preferred the Brighton gig in reality.

[Ightenhill_Claret]

I get the same impression. I think VK is probably very disciplined in his approach when it comes to a red line date. If club's start to play games, he knows he can move on with confidence.

[NewClaret]

Kompany actually wanted Trafford on loan at Anderlecht last summer (had he stayed) which is interesting given Verbruggen was already there.

Didn’t know that. Presumably felt he was ahead of him last season at least!

[PremierLeagueClass]

Really interesting. Agent came at the last asking for £2m was what I was told, which ties in.

Although with the relationships we have directly with Verbruggen, I held out some hope we’d put a call in and he might set his agent straight. But maybe he just preferred the Brighton gig in reality.

Brighton are flavour of the month at the moment. Less of a gamble for him to go there if he’s looking to move on eventually to a top club.

[NewClaret]

Brighton are flavour of the month at the moment. Less of a gamble for him to go there if he’s looking to move on eventually to a top club.

Yep, and when you look what they seem able to shift their players on to Chelsea for, also a very good place for an agent to secure a future mint too

[RicardoMontalban]

Yep, and when you look what they seem able to shift their players on to Chelsea for, also a very good place for an agent to secure a future mint too

Sacha was talking about Tesor at Genk and how they were a straight up and down team to do with business, ask them the price, they give you the price, that’s the price. No funny business. He then alluded to that having happened with Verbruggen and Anderlecht, so what you say adds up.

[KRBFC]

I hope we’re still in for Ivanusec, had an excellent game in the nations league for Croatia against the Dutch. Played at left back, set up the winning goal. Looks ideal for that inverted left back role, pretty sure he’s right footed and utilised in midfield for his club.

[ArmchairDetective]

Not listened to the podcast, but if agents demands were discussed then it ties in with something I was told about Verbruggen - agent got very greedy & we backed out.

I was also told before the season ended we had 45+ players on our radar, which I didn’t believe tbh, but seems from the amount of links and this journalists account that might actually be true. As you say, a lot can go wrong in a deal - agents, other clubs coming in, etc. - so it makes sense but can come across as a bit scattergun when you don’t know what’s going on.

We might have similar sources NewClaret. I've heard both of these things too.

And about agent difficulties elsewhere too, not just with Verbruggen. It sounded as though agents are taking liberties with us being PL now, and that we're standing our ground and moving on to other targets when agents start to take the p!ss. Apparently its leading to some players becoming quite unhappy with their agents.

[Hedontplayforyou]

I’ve managed to listen to the Podcast and it was very good! Insightful and interesting to hear a few of the ways in which the club are working on transfers.

My take from hearing Sacha is that we have a good 50-60 players in mind . Many many offers on the table at once, in which he described as a very unusual way to work. I wouldnt describe it as unusual but “new” or “different” to the norm. If this is indeed true then it could well work in our favour from a negotiation stand point where club X are trying to call our bluff and demanding more money or likewise the players agent. We simply rebuff that and say, right ok we have someone else lined up we will move on thanks. A potential tactic to bring the selling club/agent back to the table to be more sensible perhaps.

I’m anticipating a flurry of deals in tandem once the button is pressed on a main target .

Well worth a listen.

[kenyon6923]

You become a premier league club and all of a sudden the transfer window especially for a club that can't just throw money about gets so much harder. We probably wanted at least 3 of the top loan players from last season (THB, Beyer, tella and Mats) and so far only got 1 that just shows the difficulties. We have been promoted for 3 months now so gives a indication of the difference between unexpected to do anything championship club and where we are now.
Understanding and patience required

[Firthy]

We might have similar sources NewClaret. I've heard both of these things too.

And about agent difficulties elsewhere too, not just with Verbruggen. It sounded as though agents are taking liberties with us being PL now, and that we're standing our ground and moving on to other targets when agents start to take the p!ss. Apparently its leading to some players becoming quite unhappy with their agents.

Sounds like the usual agents greed and that we won't be messed about by them. Sometimes to the detriment of the players but that's the players problem for using them in the first place. Seems like we have quite a few targets so we just move on the the next one, which is why any incomings are taking a while to materialise.

[Woodleyclaret]

If the PFA had a more proactive stance when these parasitic agents first reared their greedy heads then players could have been better advised. This process would have created funds to help in projects with young players who are discarded by clubs and also helping in education and training for after football lives.

[Tricky Trevor]

I see things similarly and have no concerns that next season's side isn't already signed, sealed and delivered.

As we are in the window and VK wanted them in early to bed them into the system I can’t agree with your thought.
Bradford being away at the Euros has slowed that move down but all other deals are quiet, for whatever reason. As usual we won’t be agents first choice and they will be advising their players to hold on until the end of the window. It’s up to the players to put their foot down.

[jojomk1]

You become a premier league club and all of a sudden the transfer window especially for a club that can't just throw money about gets so much harder. We probably wanted at least 3 of the top loan players from last season (THB, Beyer, tella and Mats) and so far only got 1 that just shows the difficulties. We have been promoted for 3 months now so gives a indication of the difference between unexpected to do anything championship club and where we are now.
Understanding and patience required

I get what you are saying but if the Trafford deal goes through at the prices we are seeing of between £15m - £19m we are making a rod for our own back
That kind of money, for a guy with very limited league experience ?
Whereas Tella and Maatsen proved themselves last season and made significant contributions towards our success
Yet some people on this board are saying they are not worth circa £20m
Can't have it both ways

[kenyon6923]

I get what you are saying but if the Trafford deal goes through at the prices we are seeing of between £15m - £19m we are making a rod for our own back
That kind of money, for a guy with very limited league experience ?
Whereas Tella and Maatsen proved themselves last season and made significant contributions towards our success
Yet some people on this board are saying they are not worth circa £20m
Can't have it both ways

Can't disagree with any of that, plus Trafford is only a asset if he turns out to be really good AND we sell him at the right time not like with Popey who we gave away in the end because he had the power due to his contract situation. Any player worth 20-30-50-70 million pounds has the ability to walk away from any club for nothing.

[Hedontplayforyou]

next signing due at page 100?

[claretonthecoast1882]

Can't disagree with any of that, plus Trafford is only a asset if he turns out to be really good AND we sell him at the right time not like with Popey who we gave away in the end because he had the power due to his contract situation. Any player worth 20-30-50-70 million pounds has the ability to walk away from any club for nothing.

It is almost a shame we can't do all our transfers with hindsight

[Firthy]

next signing due at page 100?

That soon

[dsr]

It’s already been pressed, season is only 5 weeks away you know.

Would it delay the panic button if we point out that on day 1 of last season, we did not have any of Beyer, Tella, Benson, or Zaroury on the books?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Would it delay the panic button if we point out that on day 1 of last season, we did not have any of Beyer, Tella, Benson, or Zaroury on the books?

I am not too worried as I think our squad is good enough to get through the first few games.

However I will say your comparison is silly for two reasons. The championship as we discovered was a considerably lower level than the prem and there is a lot more games (so you have more chances to make up for a poor start).