Ashes 4th Test

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:16 pm

ElectroClaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:00 pm
Is there provision for an extra day if the weather is bad enough?

Might not be needed, though.

No. Finished on Sunday.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:23 pm

Stokes has called everything perfect so far.

Ali batting 3 and scoring the highest knock from a no.3 this series.
Bairstow kept brilliant and batted superb.

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:31 pm

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:08 pm
Not seeing much criticism of JB now.

He's batted well, albeit against a knackered and demoralised aussie attack.

His selection for the series may have cost us the ashes. I truly hope it hasn't.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:48 pm

Khawaja gone.
32-1

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:51 pm

ElectroClaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:48 pm
Khawaja gone.

Clear edge but he must have thought there was no touch given he reviewed

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:51 pm

Much needed breakthrough and a batsman that can bat long.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:42 pm

Warner out
54-2

criminalclaret · Post by **criminalclaret** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:43 pm

Warner started bright but gormless then, out for 28 bowled Woakes.

Aus 54 - 2

criminalclaret · Post by **criminalclaret** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:48 pm

2 more wickets by end of play today would be sublime.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:51 pm

I think Smith is out

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:52 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:51 pm
I think Smith is out

Don't think so

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:52 pm

But given not out

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:52 pm

Bosscat wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:52 pm
Don't think so

Root did

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:53 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:52 pm
Root did

So did Smith

criminalclaret · Post by **criminalclaret** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:56 pm

Root barely showed any emotion so it was a good indication he wasn't convinced either. Very tough to say at first viewing, benefit of doubt always for the batters.

We'd have been raging if that was given against us.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:01 pm

criminalclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:56 pm
Root barely showed any emotion so it was a good indication he wasn't convinced either. Very tough to say at first viewing, benefit of doubt always for the batters.

We'd have been raging if that was given against us.

It reminded me of toe end/armpit offsides given by VAR ... tbf the off field umpire got it right ... if there is such a tight margin should always go in favour of the batsman (no matter how much it would be funny if Smith had been given out

)

DAVETHEVICAR · Post by **DAVETHEVICAR** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:13 pm

Can’t believe Wood is not bowling
I over 1 wicket
Amazing

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:30 pm

DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:13 pm
Can’t believe Wood is not bowling
I over 1 wicket
Amazing

Particularly against Smith who's average against fast bowling is much poorer than he is overall.

Hooe it isn't a sign that he's not 100% fit.

DAVETHEVICAR · Post by **DAVETHEVICAR** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:59 pm

Get in Mark Wood

DAVETHEVICAR · Post by **DAVETHEVICAR** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:59 pm

Get in Mark Wood

DAVETHEVICAR · Post by **DAVETHEVICAR** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:20 pm

Wood another one
Head

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:20 pm

And another for Wood who has 3/15 - Aussies now 108/4.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:21 pm

108/4

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:22 pm

Brilliant from Wood

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:23 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:20 pm
And another for Wood who has 3/15 - Aussies now 198/4.

108/4 CT, don't be giving them 90 runs

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:24 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:22 pm
Brilliant from Wood

Ricky Ponting said on commentary earlier that no batsman enjoys batting against this sort of pace

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:25 pm

claretburns wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:23 pm
108/4 CT, don't be giving them 90 runs

I spotted it - a misdirected finger on my phone went unnoticed.

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:26 pm

Why did they delay using Wood for so long ? Another 1 tonight please ( being greedy)

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:26 pm

6 wickets needed in around 20 minutes, impossible

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:30 pm

Love to get Labuschagne before stumps.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:38 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:24 pm
Ricky Ponting said on commentary earlier that no batsman enjoys batting against this sort of pace

No ****, Ricky

criminalclaret · Post by **criminalclaret** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:45 pm

I said yesterday if Aus were 4 down by stumps Friday that is a great position.

I also thought Australia might be a slim margin ahead, yet they are still 162 behind!

Pray to the weather gods to treat us right, be a travesty if we don't get anymore decent play and a result after today.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:46 pm

Play looking unlikely tomorrow so fingers crossed for Sunday

BobSykes · Post by **BobSykes** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:48 pm

Cracking stuff, and how unbearably cruel it that's that now for this Test and the series.

BBC Weather and Met Office apps both say no play either tomorrow or Sunday, 70% or more chance of rain every hour over the weekend. Which basically means - rain.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:36 pm

https://inews.co.uk/sport/cricket/dog-m ... st-2475947

I think Mark Wood may just be my favourite person in world sport.

What an absolute legend

roperclaret · Post by **roperclaret** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:48 pm

BobSykes wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 21, 2023 6:48 pm
Cracking stuff, and how unbearably cruel it that's that now for this Test and the series.

BBC Weather and Met Office apps both say no play either tomorrow or Sunday, 70% or more chance of rain every hour over the weekend. Which basically means - rain.

Never believe the BBC or the Met office . They have about a 50% chance of being right

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:53 pm

What a good interview by Bairstow after play.

Top man.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:56 pm

roperclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:48 pm
Never believe the BBC or the Met office . They have about a 50% chance of being right

I agree about the BBC, but in my experience the Met Office forecast is much better. But when it gives 80/90% chance of heavy rain all day it doesn't look good. Saturday is basically a write off and Sunday isn't looking much better.

roperclaret · Post by **roperclaret** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:04 pm

jrgbfc wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:56 pm
I agree about the BBC, but in my experience the Met Office forecast is much better. But when it gives 80/90% chance of heavy rain all day it doesn't look good. Saturday is basically a write off and Sunday isn't looking much better.

We cancelled our village festival last Saturday because the Met office forecast was for rain and gale force winds from 2 till 7. There were a couple of heavy showers for about 20 mins and it was a bit breezy!

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:07 pm

Crazy cricket, absolute crazy cricket. 'kin brilliant.

Andreshotboots · Post by **Andreshotboots** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:16 pm

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:36 pm
https://inews.co.uk/sport/cricket/dog-m ... st-2475947

I think Mark Wood may just be my favourite person in world sport.

What an absolute legend

I'm sure a teammate said he talks to an imaginary fairy or something too

. For those of us old enough he sounds like "Howling mad Murdoch" from the original A Team..but what a character and a player..

Clive 1960 · Post by **Clive 1960** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:24 am

It's looking like rain could put a damper on things over the weekend which is a shame being in such a good position but i will go back to my early post in the first test should never have declared on day one or you could have easily have said declare at 200 lead yesterday to give you a little more time to bowl Australia out knowing the weather could take it out of our hands . But one thing about the cricket It's been enjoyable from both teams.

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 8:01 am

Not looking good.

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alwaysaclaret · Post by **alwaysaclaret** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 8:37 am

Looks like there might be a few hours tomorrow, in the middle of the day, hopefully will be enough.

Carnsmerry12 · Post by **Carnsmerry12** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 8:38 am

Lots of rain in Cornwall, most likely heading to OT

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:18 am

Just been listening to the commentary on the golf. An Amateur must have been playing some superb shots but got in trouble yesterday
They were urging him to get an experienced caddy, that would tone him down a bit.

We do the same in cricket with fast bowlers, just concentrate on line and length we tell them, so they end up like 1000s of others.

Thankfully this England team ignore all the outside noise which can produce some great cricket.

Remember when posters on here wanted us to stop playing pull shots? How many 6s would we have missed out on?

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:03 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:18 am

Remember when posters on here wanted us to stop playing pull shots? How many 6s would we have missed out on?

But doesn't that rather depend upon the context of the game?
It was basically a "free hit" for Bairstow yesterday, quick runs were a bonus, though we could also have declared or been bowled out sooner.
Criticism in the first two tests was informed by the context of the game, when we were under no time pressure and arguably the tactics should have been to grind the Aussies down.
The Aussies looked tired and down yesterday, (almost hapless), after a relentless schedule of cricket, (and no Lyon), but unfortunately we let them off the hook in the first 2 tests and now we are reliant on the weather. (Australia's 12th man).

CleggHall · Post by **CleggHall** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:38 pm

Reckless declaration in the 1st test when Root was set on 100+ not out will cost us the Ashes.
A pity for we are now clearly the better side with Lyons out injured.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:40 pm

CleggHall wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:38 pm
Reckless declaration in the 1st test when Root was set on 100+ not out will cost us the Ashes.
A pity for we are now clearly the better side with Lyons out injured.

It’s like a broken record. The captain has made countless decisions in this series, some of them have worked and others not. To pick one I think is ridiculous and to suggest it’s cost us the Ashes even more.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:41 pm

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:03 pm
But doesn't that rather depend upon the context of the game?
It was basically a "free hit" for Bairstow yesterday, quick runs were a bonus, though we could also have declared or been bowled out sooner.
Criticism in the first two tests was informed by the context of the game, when we were under no time pressure and arguably the tactics should have been to grind the Aussies down.
The Aussies looked tired and down yesterday, (almost hapless), after a relentless schedule of cricket, (and no Lyon), but unfortunately we let them off the hook in the first 2 tests and now we are reliant on the weather. (Australia's 12th man).

A free hit?

The man is battling to save his Test career.

It was a superb knock.