Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

[burnmark]

Maatsen starts again for Chelsea tonight in the advanced left hand side role that he played the other night.

Live on Sky in 15 minutes.

[Gordaleman]

Nearly scored after only two minutes.

[dermotdermot]

I have a feeling that he won’t be coming back to Burnley. Just a hunch, mind you.

[Quicknick]

I would like Maatsen back but will be disappointed if Taylor leaves. He's an accomplished defender, proven in the EPL.

[RVclaret]

Some interesting VK comments post match with the Belgian press yesterday:

"No. We still have to integrate some players. No coach in the world says in preparation that his team is totally ready. We are evolving day by day and step by step. We had six important players on loan like Madsen, Tella or Harwoord-Bellis who are no longer with us at the start of the season. So we resumed with a weaker team. We are still in the construction phase.”

“Yes I'm happy. We have to bring in the players to make up for the departures I'm talking about. If this is the case, we will be able to earn a few percent and start looking for a balance in the group.”

“It will depend on the transfer market. It is very competitive. We think we have a lot of money but we are one of the small budgets in the Premier League. And the competition is great. We stay calm and we try to convince the good players to join us. It is currently working fine. I think a lot of people at the club would be happy with a 17th place and therefore the maintenance. But I don't want to set myself a fixed goal. We must first see which players we can attract before talking about objectives.”

Suggests to me he thinks a fair bit of work still to do.

[gandhisflipflop]

Some interesting VK comments post match with the Belgian press yesterday:

"No. We still have to integrate some players. No coach in the world says in preparation that his team is totally ready. We are evolving day by day and step by step. We had six important players on loan like Madsen, Tella or Harwoord-Bellis who are no longer with us at the start of the season. So we resumed with a weaker team. We are still in the construction phase.”

“Yes I'm happy. We have to bring in the players to make up for the departures I'm talking about. If this is the case, we will be able to earn a few percent and start looking for a balance in the group.”

“It will depend on the transfer market. It is very competitive. We think we have a lot of money but we are one of the small budgets in the Premier League. And the competition is great. We stay calm and we try to convince the good players to join us. It is currently working fine. I think a lot of people at the club would be happy with a 17th place and therefore the maintenance. But I don't want to set myself a fixed goal. We must first see which players we can attract before talking about objectives.”

Suggests to me he thinks a fair bit of work still to do.

I still have a feeling that the Genk friendly was an opportunity to allow Tresor to see us up close and try to convince him to join us.

[agreenwood]

I still have a feeling that the Genk friendly was an opportunity to allow Tresor to see us up close and try to convince him to join us.

Tresor linked to Fulham in the Belgian press this morning.

[burnley007]

Some interesting VK comments post match with the Belgian press yesterday:

"No. We still have to integrate some players. No coach in the world says in preparation that his team is totally ready. We are evolving day by day and step by step. We had six important players on loan like Madsen, Tella or Harwoord-Bellis who are no longer with us at the start of the season. So we resumed with a weaker team. We are still in the construction phase.”

“Yes I'm happy. We have to bring in the players to make up for the departures I'm talking about. If this is the case, we will be able to earn a few percent and start looking for a balance in the group.”

“It will depend on the transfer market. It is very competitive. We think we have a lot of money but we are one of the small budgets in the Premier League. And the competition is great. We stay calm and we try to convince the good players to join us. It is currently working fine. I think a lot of people at the club would be happy with a 17th place and therefore the maintenance. But I don't want to set myself a fixed goal. We must first see which players we can attract before talking about objectives.”

Suggests to me he thinks a fair bit of work still to do.

Definitely suggests a few more signings expected.

[4midable]

Amad diallo on crutches

[Newcastleclaret93]

Some interesting VK comments post match with the Belgian press yesterday:

"No. We still have to integrate some players. No coach in the world says in preparation that his team is totally ready. We are evolving day by day and step by step. We had six important players on loan like Madsen, Tella or Harwoord-Bellis who are no longer with us at the start of the season. So we resumed with a weaker team. We are still in the construction phase.”

“Yes I'm happy. We have to bring in the players to make up for the departures I'm talking about. If this is the case, we will be able to earn a few percent and start looking for a balance in the group.”

“It will depend on the transfer market. It is very competitive. We think we have a lot of money but we are one of the small budgets in the Premier League. And the competition is great. We stay calm and we try to convince the good players to join us. It is currently working fine. I think a lot of people at the club would be happy with a 17th place and therefore the maintenance. But I don't want to set myself a fixed goal. We must first see which players we can attract before talking about objectives.”

Suggests to me he thinks a fair bit of work still to do.

I personally think we are looking to bring the following in:

2 x CMs
1 x winger
2 x full backs
1 x Cb
Potentially a attacking midfielder like Flemming

[123EasyasBFC]

I personally think we are looking to bring the following in:

2 x CMs
1 x winger
2 x full backs
1 x Cb
Potentially a attacking midfielder like Flemming

That would mean we would have to let 6 leave based on current size of the squad. Signing Maatsen on a perm would help as he’s at an age where he wouldn’t need to be registered.

We are at a squad of 24 now with the 3 that don’t need to be registered, so if we let McNally, bastien and churlinov leave we would still only have 4 slots left in the squad

[gandhisflipflop]

Tresor linked to Fulham in the Belgian press this morning.

Interesting. As an outsider looking in all the signs coming out of Fulham this summer are one of alarm bells. Lost their top striker, manager not signing a new contract and could be on his way, another one of their players signing for a rival in Willian. I don’t know why he would choose them if the choice was between them or us barring living in London.

[Blyclaret]

With that wish list I personally think your on cloud cuckoo land

[wilks_bfc]

Interesting. As an outsider looking in all the signs coming out of Fulham this summer are one of alarm bells. Lost their top striker, manager not signing a new contract and could be on his way, another one of their players signing for a rival in Willian. I don’t know why he would choose them if the choice was between them or us barring living in London.

Willian didn’t leave. He’s re-signed with Fulham

[gandhisflipflop]

Willian didn’t leave. He’s re-signed with Fulham

I thought he had signed for Forest? Oh well barring that then

[Bigvince]

Interesting. As an outsider looking in all the signs coming out of Fulham this summer are one of alarm bells. Lost their top striker, manager not signing a new contract and could be on his way, another one of their players signing for a rival in Willian. I don’t know why he would choose them if the choice was between them or us barring living in London.

Is Mitrovic leaving?

[gandhisflipflop]

Is Mitrovic leaving?

He wants to go to Saudi and has gone on strike apparently

[Bigvince]

Hadn’t heard that, better take him out of my fantasy team then!

[Newcastleclaret93]

That would mean we would have to let 6 leave based on current size of the squad. Signing Maatsen on a perm would help as he’s at an age where he wouldn’t need to be registered.

We are at a squad of 24 now with the 3 that don’t need to be registered, so if we let McNally, bastien and churlinov leave we would still only have 4 slots left in the squad

If we sign all of the positions I have mentioned I expect the following to leave:

Bastien
Churlinov
McNally
Egan Riley
Twine
Taylor
BPF

I also think Brownhill is in a really strange position, with his contract he must either sign a new deal or we move him on. We can’t be in a position again where we let assets leave for free.

[roperclaret]

I personally think we are looking to bring the following in:

2 x CMs
1 x winger
2 x full backs
1 x Cb
Potentially a attacking midfielder like Flemming

I think we have 4 slots at the very most even if Weghorst leaves. Unless some of these are U 21 who drops out of the 25?

[123EasyasBFC]

If we sign all of the positions I have mentioned I expect the following to leave:

Bastien
Churlinov
McNally
Egan Riley
Twine
Taylor
BPF

I also think Brownhill is in a really strange position, with his contract he must either sign a new deal or we move him on. We can’t be in a position again where we let assets leave for free.

Egan Riley doesn’t need to be registered due to his age, but I agree I can see them all leaving perm apart from twine who will probably get loaned if we get another number 10 in

[bumba]

Egan Riley doesn’t need to be registered due to his age, but I agree I can see them all leaving perm apart from twine who will probably get loaned if we get another number 10 in

Egan-Riley out injured til Christmas anyway isn't he?
Imagine he'll go back to Hibs in January to build his fitness for next season

[Conroy92]

I personally think we are looking to bring the following in:

2 x CMs
1 x winger
2 x full backs
1 x Cb
Potentially a attacking midfielder like Flemming

If Taylor and and Weghorst both leave along with the likes of Bastien and Churlinov I think we still need

1 x CM loan
1 x CM permanent
1 x Winger permanent
1 x full back permanent
1x full back loan
1x Striker permanent

I think Amdouni will fill the attacking midfielder role and if two centre midfielders come in we will have the option of twine and Brownhill competing as subs for that position.

It's a big ask to get another 6 in and potentially 3/4 out of the door. Two loans so only 4 permanent additions. We've already spent big big money for us and it'll take us at least another 40-60m to pull the above off

1x CM loan - Lokonga
1 x CM permanent - Vranxc
1 x Winger permanent - Tresor
1 x full back permanent -Maatsen
1x full back loan - Gomez
1x Striker permanent - ?

That would make a hell of a side.

[Lancasterclaret]

No way the budget stretches to that

One loan and one permanent coming in is all I can see

[taio]

No way the budget stretches to that

One loan and one permanent coming in is all I can see

Depends on outgoings

[Newcastleclaret93]

No way the budget stretches to that

One loan and one permanent coming in is all I can see

Looking at VKs comments I am not sure he thinks we are even up to the same level as last season.

I can certainly see him wanting at least 3 first teamers and a few squad players coming in

[Pickles]

I just don't think Taylor is playing left back consistently for a Kompany Burnley. For that reason I think two left backs are needed - a starter (Maatsen or) and someone else to fill the role Dodgson currently has in the squad assuming Taylor doesn't stick around to be what would pretty much be back up left back.

I also think we need two midfielders - with at least one being a big lad. (Taking Bastien's spot in the squad.) This position is an absolute necessity. As immense as Cullen, Cork and Brownhill were last season it's patently obvious there's a lack of physicality, for want of a better word.

The other would be more forward-minded to improve upon Gudmundsson and Twine, although not writing them off by any means. Perhaps this player is Amdouni and if that's the case we could perhaps need another striker - especially if Rodriguez or Weghorst leave which wouldn't surprise me.

[Pickles]

Looking at VKs comments I am not sure he thinks we are even up to the same level as last season.

I can certainly see him wanting at least 3 first teamers and a few squad players coming in

Absolutely - I'd say three minimum definitely.

[Taffy on the wing]

If we sign all of the positions I have mentioned I expect the following to leave:

Bastien
Churlinov
McNally
Egan Riley
Twine
Taylor
BPF

I also think Brownhill is in a really strange position, with his contract he must either sign a new deal or we move him on. We can’t be in a position again where we let assets leave for free.

Twine is going nowhere!

[ksrclaret]

Clearly there is more work to be done in the window than some would have us believe.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if we have to leave a few out of the named squad come September, if we can’t move them on.

[Hedontplayforyou]

No way the budget stretches to that

One loan and one permanent coming in is all I can see

Not a chance we only bring in two more

[CoolClaret]

I find Kompany’s comments about not being as strong as last year concerning -

I mean, for the money we’ve spent on players so far (include Coulibaly for the sake of potential cash spent) we easily have Tella, THB & Maatsen back.

I also understand that we want to sign younger players to have a sell on value but staying in the PL vs dropping down a level brings in more revenue than bringing in 2-3 x our initial outlay on a couple of players

Something has clearly gone on with Muric but I don’t want to go into hearsay, all I’ll say is I’m concerned that we’re trying to be a bit to clever.

Trafford may become an absolute baller, but a 19mill outlay for us on a position that wasn’t really a concern at least compared to other areas I fear could come and bite us on the arse.

Bazunu was another highly rated coming from the City academy and impressed in League One and he really struggled - I don’t think it can be underestimated enough how different the game is in the PL compared to league one.

It’s not even necessarily about the talent of the keeper I’m talking about - it’s the nous and game experience that you get from playing more first team games.

Really hoping it doesn’t bite us on the arse

[taio]

I find Kompany’s comments about not being as strong as last year concerning -

I mean, for the money we’ve spent on players so far (include Coulibaly for the sake of potential cash spent) we easily have Tella, THB & Maatsen back.

I also understand that we want to sign younger players to have a sell on value but staying in the PL vs dropping down a level brings in more revenue than bringing in 2-3 x our initial outlay on a couple of players

Something has clearly gone on with Muric but I don’t want to go into hearsay, all I’ll say is I’m concerned that we’re trying to be a bit to clever.

Trafford may become an absolute baller, but a 19mill outlay for us on a position that wasn’t really a concern at least compared to other areas I fear could come and bite us on the arse.

Bazunu was another highly rated coming from the City academy and impressed in League One and he really struggled - I don’t think it can be underestimated enough how different the game is in the PL compared to league one.

It’s not even necessarily about the talent of the keeper I’m talking about - it’s the nous and game experience that you get from playing more first team games.

Really hoping it doesn’t bite us on the arse

Clearly we couldn't easily have Tella, THB and Maatsen back

[CoolClaret]

Clearly we couldn't easily have Tella, THB and Maatsen back

? Well we could we just didn’t see ‘eye to eye’ on valuations.

The money we’ve already spent + the rumoured fee for Coulibaly brings them all back with change.

[RVclaret]

Trafford is a 13/14m spend. We’ve already gone through this. He will only be 19m if he’s been a success here, which is what we hope he will be.

Also Coulibaly was not costing anything right now, surely that concept isn’t too difficult to understand? It was a loan deal.

We had a young squad last season with concerns on here about an inexperienced back 4, apparently you couldn’t get promoted without ‘Championship experience’, yet conceded the least amount of goals (and xG, by a distance) in the league.

[arise_sir_charge]

I find Kompany’s comments about not being as strong as last year concerning -

I mean, for the money we’ve spent on players so far (include Coulibaly for the sake of potential cash spent) we easily have Tella, THB & Maatsen back.

I also understand that we want to sign younger players to have a sell on value but staying in the PL vs dropping down a level brings in more revenue than bringing in 2-3 x our initial outlay on a couple of players

Something has clearly gone on with Muric but I don’t want to go into hearsay, all I’ll say is I’m concerned that we’re trying to be a bit to clever.

Trafford may become an absolute baller, but a 19mill outlay for us on a position that wasn’t really a concern at least compared to other areas I fear could come and bite us on the arse.

Bazunu was another highly rated coming from the City academy and impressed in League One and he really struggled - I don’t think it can be underestimated enough how different the game is in the PL compared to league one.

It’s not even necessarily about the talent of the keeper I’m talking about - it’s the nous and game experience that you get from playing more first team games.

Really hoping it doesn’t bite us on the arse

We haven’t spent £19m on Trafford.

The only position I think we are weaker in is left back.

I expect us to sign at least one left back and a centre mid before too long.

Tella could well return, right at the end of the window.

[taio]

? Well we could we just didn’t see ‘eye to eye’ on valuations.

The money we’ve already spent + the rumoured fee for Coulibaly brings them all back with change.

I think valuations are pretty central to your point

I've no idea why you're including Coulibaly

[Lip]

We haven’t spent £19m on Trafford.

The only position I think we are weaker in is left back.

I expect us to sign at least one left back and a centre mid before too long.

Tella could well return, right at the end of the window.

Left back !!!! We've got the best left back in the Premier league in Taylor if VK will play him there. Great player.

[KRBFC]

With most transfer fees being paid in instalments we can essentially gamble and spend whatever we want with committing to future payments. Will be fine if we survive relegation and just continue keeping up with future payments.

[Pickles]

I know squad numbers are often just that but I found it sort of interesting that yesterday Amdouni wore 30.

He's worn 23 for Switzerland previously. And it's generally quite a trendy number to wear. Jordan, Beckham...

But it's still free at Burnley since Tella left, and it's a number he's worn for Southampton since 20/21.

[taio]

With most transfer fees being paid in instalments we can essentially gamble and spend whatever we want with committing to future payments. Will be fine if we survive relegation and just continue keeping up with future payments.

The risk of relegation is a very significant point and the reason why we can't spend 'whatever we want' which would be reckless

[Nori1958]

With most transfer fees being paid in instalments we can essentially gamble and spend whatever we want with committing to future payments. Will be fine if we survive relegation and just continue keeping up with future payments.

You also need to factor in the installments we are already paying for players bought in previous seasons, not just those being bought now

[RicardoMontalban]

? Well we could we just didn’t see ‘eye to eye’ on valuations.

The money we’ve already spent + the rumoured fee for Coulibaly brings them all back with change.

Seeing ‘eye to eye’ on valuations is pretty fundamental to transfer negations, I would have thought.

[CoolClaret]

I think valuations are pretty central to your point

I've no idea why you're including Coulibaly

We were happy to be paying the purported price - that’s kind of the point (even if it was starting next year), worth mentioning that I know that deals aren’t straight cash exchanges and a lot are instalments over a period of time.

Ok - getting a bit ‘fag packet maths’ here - 14mill rising to maybe 19 for Trafford is still a lot when we didn’t particularly need another keeper right now (lots of rumours that something has happened with Muric btw but again, hearsay).

Going off the the valuations being purported for Maatsen/Tella/THB in the press and the prices purported that we’ve paid for Trafford, Amdouni, Koleosho & O’Shea, seem around the same ball park… that’s my reasoning.

There’s of course every chance that we get everyone in that we need and that’s great.. I’m just expressing an opinion on a, erm, football message board.

I only brought it up because of Kompany’s comments… if we spend that sort of money and he feels we’re weaker than where we were last season - well, it’s a little concerning, no?

[arise_sir_charge]

Left back !!!! We've got the best left back in the Premier league in Taylor if VK will play him there. Great player.

He just isn’t is he. He simply doesn’t fit this side.

[Rileybobs]

I don’t think it’s accurate to say we’re currently weaker than last season. I’ll caveat this with saying that I’ve never seen Amdouni play and have only seen Trafford the once but;

Trafford>Muric
Redmond>Tella
Amdouni>JBG
Weghorst>Foster

We are probably stronger in these positions. Losing THB isn’t too much of a concern to me as I think we’re well stocked at centre back and he probably wouldn’t make my first eleven. Left back is the obvious position where we are weaker and I’m sure that will be addressed.

Still lots of work to do in this window as we’ve done quite a bit of business and spent a lot of money just to slightly improve on last season as things stand.

[CoolClaret]

Seeing ‘eye to eye’ on valuations is pretty fundamental to transfer negations, I would have thought.

Obviously, but one could make a case that we’re being a bit reluctant to pay a couple of million more for known quantities, but happy to shirk out hefty fees on relative unknowns?

Again, this comes down to VK’s comments… to spend what we have so far and ‘be weaker’ to me is concerning.

Just voicing an opinion based on the data that I’ve seen

[CoolClaret]

I don’t think it’s accurate to say we’re currently weaker than last season. I’ll caveat this with saying that I’ve never seen Amdouni play and have only seen Trafford the once but;

Trafford>Muric
Redmond>Tella
Amdouni>JBG
Weghorst>Foster

We are probably stronger in these positions. Losing THB isn’t too much of a concern to me as I think we’re well stocked at centre back and he probably wouldn’t make my first eleven. Left back is the obvious position where we are weaker and I’m sure that will be addressed.

Still lots of work to do in this window as we’ve done quite a bit of business and spent a lot of money just to slightly improve on last season as things stand.

How can you say with confidence that Trafford is better than Muric?

Or that Amdouni > JBG when they play different roles?

Muric arguably one of our most important players last season in a side that finished 1st, Trafford albeit one good under 21 outing played in League One?

[taio]

We were happy to be paying the purported price - that’s kind of the point (even if it was starting next year), worth mentioning that I know that deals aren’t straight cash exchanges and a lot are instalments over a period of time.

Ok - getting a bit ‘fag packet maths’ here - 14mill rising to maybe 19 for Trafford is still a lot when we didn’t particularly need another keeper right now (lots of rumours that something has happened with Muric btw but again, hearsay).

Going off the the valuations being purported for Maatsen/Tella/THB in the press and the prices purported that we’ve paid for Trafford, Amdouni, Koleosho & O’Shea, seem around the same ball park… that’s my reasoning.

There’s of course every chance that we get everyone in that we need and that’s great.. I’m just expressing an opinion on a, erm, football message board.

I only brought it up because of Kompany’s comments… if we spend that sort of money and he feels we’re weaker than where we were last season - well, it’s a little concerning, no?

The point is on Coulibaly that it was a loan deal and the deal broke down because we couldn't agree on the commitment to buy so it's odd that you keep referring to it.

I think it's pretty obvious we havent been able to sign THB Tella and Maatsen for £35m - £40m combined

[Pickles]

Trafford>Muric
Redmond>Tella
Amdouni>JBG
Weghorst>Foster

That's if these players were bought to replace the others and I don't think that's strictly true. If a deal can be done with Southampton then we'd have Redmond and Tella, absolutely, because they play different roles, have different attributes. I don't imagine Redmond playing the false nine, for example, as Tella has. Weghorst and Foster are too different to compare and the same goes for Amdouni and Gudmundsson who I'm not convinced play in even the same position.