Mission to Burnley (including spoilers from page 9)

[yTib]

Which way could you walk to the ground without walking on, or past a terraced street?

if i lived on the ridge i could cut through the wood onto brownhill ave, then onto browsholm and cut through the ginnel (see other thread) to come out at the beehole.

but you labour the point.

[CoolClaret]

https://www.skygroup.sky/article/missio ... umentaries#

Hmmm

[Spiral]

Fkin told you all, but nah, everyone was like 'overreaction, let's wait and see'. Front loading the synopsis with ALK, Pace and religion, the comment in the second paragraph about football being a religion itself is a call-back to the reference to religion in the first paragraph, that's gonna be a recurring theme. I told everyone, most people thought I was reading too much into it. Clear as mud what form this doc is going to take. It's not a Burnley FC doc, it's a doc about ALK/Pace/Mormon missionaries. Pace is the subject of the doc, Burnley is an object within it. Not a doc about Burnley, we just happen to be there. I deduced that from the title and trailer alone because my media literacy is apparently better than most people on here, but I expect literally zero people to turn around and say, "you know what Spiral, you were actually right, soz, and yeah, it's embarrassing to see our club used as a vehicle for some low-key religious fluffing".

So here's what happens. People now recalibrate from their original hopes of what we're getting and pretend this form of doc was their expectation all along, because they're still too excited to see some juicy behind the scenes footage and don't want to concede that they were wrong in calling me crazy when I first started entertaining myself by ranting about this around the time of the original announcement, title and trailer.

[Cleveleys_claret]

Fkin told you all, but nah, everyone was like 'overreaction, let's wait and see'. Front loading the synopsis with ALK, Pace and religion, the comment in the second paragraph about football being a religion itself is a call-back to the reference to religion in the first paragraph, that's gonna be a recurring theme. I told everyone, most people thought I was reading too much into it. Clear as mud what form this doc is going to take. It's not a Burnley FC doc, it's a doc about ALK/Pace/Mormon missionaries. Pace is the subject of the doc, Burnley is an object within it. Not a doc about Burnley, we just happen to be there. I deduced that from the title and trailer alone because my media literacy is apparently better than most people on here, but I expect literally zero people to turn around and say, "you know what Spiral, you were actually right, soz, and yeah, it's embarrassing to see our club used as a vehicle for some low-key religious fluffing".

So here's what happens. People now recalibrate from their original hopes of what we're getting and pretend this form of doc was their expectation all along, because they're still too excited to see some juicy behind the scenes footage and don't want to concede that they were wrong in calling me crazy when I first started entertaining myself by ranting about this around the time of the original announcement, title and trailer.

How about just dont watch it then

And those that wanna watch it will. All will make up their own opinions about it

[Hedontplayforyou]

Keep your briefs on chief , Jesu….. oh better not .

[gandhisflipflop]

And the award for weirdest post of the year goes to….

[criminalclaret]

Fkin told you all, but nah, everyone was like 'overreaction, let's wait and see'. Front loading the synopsis with ALK, Pace and religion, the comment in the second paragraph about football being a religion itself is a call-back to the reference to religion in the first paragraph, that's gonna be a recurring theme. I told everyone, most people thought I was reading too much into it. Clear as mud what form this doc is going to take. It's not a Burnley FC doc, it's a doc about ALK/Pace/Mormon missionaries. Pace is the subject of the doc, Burnley is an object within it. Not a doc about Burnley, we just happen to be there. I deduced that from the title and trailer alone because my media literacy is apparently better than most people on here, but I expect literally zero people to turn around and say, "you know what Spiral, you were actually right, soz, and yeah, it's embarrassing to see our club used as a vehicle for some low-key religious fluffing".

So here's what happens. People now recalibrate from their original hopes of what we're getting and pretend this form of doc was their expectation all along, because they're still too excited to see some juicy behind the scenes footage and don't want to concede that they were wrong in calling me crazy when I first started entertaining myself by ranting about this around the time of the original announcement, title and trailer.

Wow.

What award do you want?

[criminalclaret]

And the award for weirdest post of the year goes to….

Beat me to it

[Bosscat]

Fkin told you all, but nah, everyone was like 'overreaction, let's wait and see'. Front loading the synopsis with ALK, Pace and religion, the comment in the second paragraph about football being a religion itself is a call-back to the reference to religion in the first paragraph, that's gonna be a recurring theme. I told everyone, most people thought I was reading too much into it. Clear as mud what form this doc is going to take. It's not a Burnley FC doc, it's a doc about ALK/Pace/Mormon missionaries. Pace is the subject of the doc, Burnley is an object within it. Not a doc about Burnley, we just happen to be there. I deduced that from the title and trailer alone because my media literacy is apparently better than most people on here, but I expect literally zero people to turn around and say, "you know what Spiral, you were actually right, soz, and yeah, it's embarrassing to see our club used as a vehicle for some low-key religious fluffing".

So here's what happens. People now recalibrate from their original hopes of what we're getting and pretend this form of doc was their expectation all along, because they're still too excited to see some juicy behind the scenes footage and don't want to concede that they were wrong in calling me crazy when I first started entertaining myself by ranting about this around the time of the original announcement, title and trailer.

Maybe microdose some LSD before you watch it then

[Spiral]

When you cringe at the scenes in it are you going to come on here and say it's cringe or are you going to keep schtum and actually pretend you're not totally embarrassed by Burnley FC being herded into close proximity to a really odd religion that none of us ever asked for the club to be associated with?

[COBBLE]

Looking forward to it!

[Spiral]

Wow.

What award do you want?

I'd like a cake please.

[Hedontplayforyou]

I'd like a cake please.

Have a lie down Spiral.

[Burnley1989]

I’ll watch it and I’m sure I’ll enjoy learning a bit about another culture/religion whilst seeing behind the scenes stuff from my football team and town. I doubt I’m going to be converting to a Mormon on the back of a documentary, they’re hardly known to be anything but a little different, they’re not some murdering cult

You’ve got to laugh at the overreaction

[Vegas Claret]

When you cringe at the scenes in it are you going to come on here and say it's cringe or are you going to keep schtum and actually pretend you're not totally embarrassed by Burnley FC being herded into close proximity to a really odd religion that none of us ever asked for the club to be associated with?

I'm more embarrassed by "supporters" like you tbh. Do us all a favour and take a few days off man ffs

[GetIntoEm]

Spiral needs to step away from the keyboard. Proper weird ****

[CoolClaret]

Clear as mud what form this doc is going to take. It's not a Burnley FC doc, it's a doc about ALK/Pace/Mormon missionaries. Pace is the subject of the doc, Burnley is an object within it. Not a doc about Burnley, we just happen to be there.

I think I agree. There’s absolutely 0 need for any of the religious aspect involved whatsoever.

[Jambounchained]

This board.

[Vegas Claret]

This board.

the board is absolutely superb, it's just certain posters that can't help but bring it down. Same faces every time

[Spiral]

I'm loving everyone's overreaction by the way. Keep the insults and recriminations and advice and snark and condescension coming. Go even as far as to be as artful as you can with it.

[BurnleyFC]

When you cringe at the scenes in it are you going to come on here and say it's cringe or are you going to keep schtum and actually pretend you're not totally embarrassed by Burnley FC being herded into close proximity to a really odd religion that none of us ever asked for the club to be associated with?

Name me one religion that isn’t odd.

[Spiral]

Name me one religion that isn’t odd.

It's kind of impossible.

[Spiral]

15 posts in about 15 minutes not including mine. If my aim is to provoke (not troll, that's a different thing), I think it's working

[DCWat]

I’m not sure that you needed to be the love child of Poirot and Miss Marple, to deduce from the title, that there was going to at least be a reference to their religions beliefs.

To what extent their religion is the focus remains to be seen. Unless it’s massively ott on the religious element, I suspect most Burnley fans are just looking forward to seeing how the club is portrayed and the opportunity to see behind the scenes (as much as is allowed).

[CoolClaret]

Name me one religion that isn’t odd.

I think Mormonism and a few others take the proverbial biscuit tbh.

It’s genuinely bonkers - like frighteningly bonkers.

They aren’t open with their deepest beliefs from the off, you only get them when you’ve already drunk the koolaid.

The origin story is hilarious yet simultaneously very sad.

South Park episode on it (series 7, episode 12) is actually completely accurate - the south park writers also wrote the famous play ‘The Book of Mormon’.

In defence of Spiral here it is worth mentioning that Pace and family have also featured in the BBC documentary ‘The Mormons are coming’

[Spiral]

I’m not sure that you needed to be the love child of Poirot and Miss Marple, to deduce from the title, that there was going to at least be a reference to their religions beliefs.

Except that's somewhat revisionist (see my comment above about people recalibrating and pretending their expectations now are the ones they always had — an example of the phenomenon of people quietly abandoning an old opinion, picking up a new one, even denigrating the old opinion as though it were never held, as though the new opinion was always the one held). I was the first to draw attention to the theme implied by the title, and got dogpiled for it. I can even link the original thread if you like? Now everyone is gonna be like, "well of course it was always going to have a religious element to it, sdupid, it's in the title", despite literally arguing a few months ago that to infer that from a title alone was an over reading of what was known.

[Bosscat]

Have been parking in the Tennis Club Car Park on Belvedere Rd and before that on Holcombe Drive for a long time ...
Guess what Church is between the Tennis Club and Holcombe Drive ... yes its The Church of Jesus Christ and the Latter Day Saints (aka a Mormon church) its been there quite a few years ...

I don't think you can accuse our Chairman of trying to indoctrinate his religion in Burnley ... its been here quite a while

[CoolClaret]

Have been parking in the Tennis Club Car Park on Belvedere Rd and before that on Holcombe Drive for a long time ...
Guess what Church is between the Tennis Club and Holcombe Drive ... yes its The Church of Jesus Christ and the Latter Day Saints (aka a Mormon church) its been there quite a few years ...

I don't think you can accuse our Chairman of trying to indoctrinate his religion in Burnley ... its been here quite a while

I think including that unneeded angle in a Sky documentary could be enough for an accusation, no?

It’s hardly keeping it out of the limelight is it.

[Spiral]

I don't think you can accuse our Chairman of trying to indoctrinate his religion in Burnley ... its been here quite a while

Do you actually think I believe Pace is trying to convert us all to Mormonism? Lol, this is a branding exercise on behalf of the religion. Stick something uncool next to something cool, hope the cool rubs off on the uncool.

[Hedontplayforyou]

I hope it does rub off - moromons stick together as a rule and there are no doubt some very wealthy people who follow this faith. Coke and spend your money on our club whilst I believe absolutely nothing to do with any religion whatsoever , be my guest

[Spiral]

I hope it does rub off - moromons stick together as a rule and there are no doubt some very wealthy people who follow this faith. Coke and spend your money on our club whilst I believe absolutely nothing to do with any religion whatsoever , be my guest

You're reading it all back to front, we're the cool thing in this scenario, not the effing Christian religion that not even all Christians recognise as an official denomination.

[CaptainKirk]

Did I miss the transmission?
When did you watch it?

Apart from that, what is your problem?
It’s looking like a documentary about our Club and it’s owners.
Some of them may be Mormons - so what?
I have known one or two and they all seemed like reasonable people to me.
You would have to be a little strange though, in my view, to put much faith in ANY religion - they are all ridiculous in different ways.
Watch it or don’t watch it but don’t get your knickers in such a twist, Pstotto.

[Spiral]

"Transmission" lol what century are you living in? You sound like my nan.

[CoolClaret]

Did I miss the transmission?
When did you watch it?

Apart from that, what is your problem?
It’s looking like a documentary about our Club and it’s owners.
Some of them may be Mormons - so what?
I have known one or two and they all seemed like reasonable people to me.
You would have to be a little strange though, in my view, to put much faith in ANY religion - they are all ridiculous in different ways.
Watch it or don’t watch it but don’t get your knickers in such a twist, Pstotto.

Do you think it’s fair to associate Burnley the club with Mormonism just because of our Chairman’s faith?

Do you not think it is entirely unnecessary because the crux should be on the football and the club itself?

Can’t recall any other documentaries in this nature that’s had an angle of the chairman’s faith involved. Quite rightly being brought up.

[Spiral]

Apart from that, what is your problem?

Rather than tread over old ground, here's the original thread where everything is pretty much spelled out if you're sincerely interested.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69589&start=100

I'll just repost what got the dogpile started.

Really excited for it, but surely I'm not the only one whose alarm bells started ringing at the title "mission"? Remains to be see how the doc has been put together, but from the trailer the narrative framing seems to be around Pace/ALK's acquisition and involvement of the club, which is a different story entirely from a documentary whose narrative is framed to display Burnley Football Club in and of itself.

To use a subject-object interpretation, the trailer seem to frame Burnley FC as the object in relation to Pace/ALK as the subject, and this is a very different thing indeed from Burnley FC as the subject in relation to objects within the doc (the people involved). Critiquing it through this lens will allow us to discover what messages and ideas the doc is trying to communicate. Bear that in mind when it is released.

I expect to get a lot of $hit for saying this, but I've got my guard up about the possibility that this could be a bit of slick Mormon propaganda smuggled into a sports documentary about Burnley, and if I'm right, this raises questions about supporter consent that can be asked more obviously of clubs like City and Newcastle. Why even put "Mission" in the title if it is other than what I suggest in this post? The owners are religious missionaries, and the documentary looks as though it places a significant focus on them. Mormonism is utterly, utterly benign compared to the nation states who use sport to launder their reputation, but even though Mormon sportswashing (such as it exists?) doesn't register as being remotely egregious compared to the practices of the gulf states that obviously come to mind when we think of sportswashing, it is still a variation, again, an admittedly benign one by comparison, but a variation nonetheless on the same sportswashing practices, assuming, of course, I'm correct about the framing as suggested by the trailer.

By the way, responses like, "WOW, just won the league and fans are still complaining", etc. are not worth my time. They validate my general concern, if anything.

[Hedontplayforyou]

You're reading it all back to front, we're the cool thing in this scenario, not the effing Christian religion that not even all Christians recognise as an official denomination.

I’m not reading anything back to front . I hope more Mormons see the cool thing (BFC) and decide to lend Alan a hand . I want BFC to be successful if this is one way of it becoming a reality then bring it on. I can’t see me deciding there’s a superhuman entity somewhere on the basis that a few Mormons said some prayers on a documentary about our football club.

You are right though about it being a branding exercise. If indeed there is more of this included then it’s aimed at the Mormon community to showcase BFC, and that fellow Mormons , Alan Pace and JJ Watt are on this fantastic journey with BFC.

BFC a small family club that in itself is like a religion in the town. As you alluded to in the sky write up. It’s selling BFC to that community in order to seek new investment . It’s not some religious push on the good people of Burnley

[forzagranata]

I can't wait until some of the Pacebots on here and twitter start actually joining the Mormon church....

[Spiral]

Spiral needs to step away from the keyboard. Proper weird ****

Hey friend, the last part of your post has some weird stars or something after the word 'weird', and it's making it difficult to know what you're trying to say. I think your keyboard might be faulty.

[Steddyman]

Fkin told you all, but nah, everyone was like 'overreaction, let's wait and see'. Front loading the synopsis with ALK, Pace and religion, the comment in the second paragraph about football being a religion itself is a call-back to the reference to religion in the first paragraph, that's gonna be a recurring theme. I told everyone, most people thought I was reading too much into it. Clear as mud what form this doc is going to take. It's not a Burnley FC doc, it's a doc about ALK/Pace/Mormon missionaries. Pace is the subject of the doc, Burnley is an object within it. Not a doc about Burnley, we just happen to be there. I deduced that from the title and trailer alone because my media literacy is apparently better than most people on here, but I expect literally zero people to turn around and say, "you know what Spiral, you were actually right, soz, and yeah, it's embarrassing to see our club used as a vehicle for some low-key religious fluffing".

So here's what happens. People now recalibrate from their original hopes of what we're getting and pretend this form of doc was their expectation all along, because they're still too excited to see some juicy behind the scenes footage and don't want to concede that they were wrong in calling me crazy when I first started entertaining myself by ranting about this around the time of the original announcement, title and trailer.

Why do you care how the chairman experiences this in the context of his faith. It isn't your faith, it isn't VK's faith and it isn't my faith. But I'm not getting upset about it. He can frame it however he wants, Sky won't.

[Clovius Boofus]

I think there are people on here who, if some stranger came up to them and rubbed faeces in their face, would convince themselves that it was what they wanted all along, simply because such self delusion is less stressful than dealing with disappointment.

This is now getting way beyond a joke. For the good of the whole forum, please make it stop.

[Spiral]

Why do you care how the chairman experiences this in the context of his faith. It isn't your faith, it isn't VK's faith and it isn't my faith. But I'm not getting upset about it. He can frame it however he wants, Sky won't.

Are you suggesting Pace had a say in the framing of this doc? Because I had people tell me Sky were the ones constructing the narrative because docs need hooks apparently, that Burnley had no say blah blah blah, and these two viewpoints seem to contradict one another. I'm just asking you for the purpose of clarification, I honestly don't care what the actual truth is.

[Spiral]

This is now getting way beyond a joke. For the good of the whole forum, please make it stop.

What's that thing everyone keeps telling me...

If you don't like it, don't watch it.

[Clovius Boofus]

What's that thing everyone keeps telling me...

If you don't like it, don't watch it.

I'm talking about you. You are turning this forum into a laughingstock.

[Spiral]

I'm talking about you. You are turning this forum into a laughingstock.

Ha, good one.

BTW there's a foe function on here for overly sensitive ninnies which can be used to create your own little safe space and hide my posts. Try it.

(I think I have to actually explain the joke to you, so for your benefit, when I say If you don't like it don't watch it, that means if you don't like what I post, don't read it)

[CoolClaret]

Why do you care how the chairman experiences this in the context of his faith. It isn't your faith, it isn't VK's faith and it isn't my faith. But I'm not getting upset about it. He can frame it however he wants, Sky won't.

Explain why you think it’s fair for any of his faith to be promoted alongside Burnley FC?

Is it a doc on football or on faith?

I can’t recall Arsenals having an angle on Kroenke’s Lutheran background or City’s on Islam…

[Elbarad]

Just wondering… what religions of the owners do you approve of for the ownership of the club? Would Islam be ok? Or Shinto? Norse maybe? No interest in becoming Mormon myself but they can worship any god or gods they wish as far as I’m concerned. Although I would wear a Thor’s hammer if they sold one with the club crest on it. For a laugh.

[Spiral]

The Thor's hammer symbol has been appropriated by neo-nazis, the b@stards.

[Spiral]

BTW when it comes to ownership I totally approve of any person practicing any and all religions. I don't discriminate, their religion doesn't disqualify.

[CoolClaret]

Just wondering… what religions of the owners do you approve of for the ownership of the club? Would Islam be ok? Or Shinto? Norse maybe? No interest in becoming Mormon myself but they can worship any god or gods they wish as far as I’m concerned. Although I would wear a Thor’s hammer if they sold one with the club crest on it. For a laugh.

Preferably I wouldn’t know about it because there’s absolutely no need to whatsoever

[Boss Hogg]

Wow.

What award do you want?

The look at me one I think. There will be more of this unfortunately until the schools go back in September.