Mission to Burnley (including spoilers from page 9)

[123EasyasBFC]

Human beings are capable of forming judgements on events that are hypothetical but have not yet happened. The entire concept of a thought experiment rests on this idea. We do it so often, almost daily, and so trivially, that it goes unremarked. Your point (and the same point made by others) can be condensed to the idea that you want to defer judgement. You have that right, but recognise that you are asking that of me. You're attempting to plead with the 'heretic'. The way this is expressed by some on here has the mark of the phenomenon I spelled out in the post you quoted. The demand to reserve judgement is a defence of the church. Anyone NOT of this disposition, this state of mind, this religious sentiment (expressed through football) would, I highly suspect, be more relaxed about my judgement, so uninterested in putting up a defence of the church that they'd be not remotely inclined to bother attacking my point at all. It is precisely because people on here are so full of this sentimentality I describe that their rebuttals are so passionate, it is precisely because of this sentimentality that they plead with me/demand I defer judgement, because this premature judgement is believed to harm the church. At this moment, this is the most convenient ground on which to reject what I'm saying, but please do understand that it springs from the sentiment I describe. I think some people who place themselves above religion would be slightly embarrassed to find out they are still being led by a sublimated religious sentiment that exists in all people (even me).

I just thought instead of posters having back and fourths to just wait until we have seen the documentary. Are you going to watch the documentary btw?

[Spiral]

Yes I am.

[Rileybobs]

You are entitled to say people need to be wary of how the documentary is portrayed but isn’t it better for everyone to actually watch the documentary first to see the final outcome of it all before making comments. Wouldn’t leaving it at be vigilant be better than having back and fourths with people.

I’m sure if people watch it and don’t like the way the documentary comes across then people will come back on here and say you had a point.

End of the day we as fans are getting to see nearly 4 hours worth of behind the scenes stuff that we would never normally get to see, so until it’s be on we should just be excited about it

How can anybody form an opinion on Mormonism? Surely we should all wait until the second coming of Jesus Christ and until then just be excited about it.

[Bosscat]

I’ll also add that so far Pace has gotten all the big decisions correct and seems to be doing really well for Burnley - which is great.

That doesn’t mean that things that I deem inappropriate can be glossed over because of the aforementioned positives.

I won’t go into it much further but I’m highly skeptical of any cross promotion of religion like this - it’s a sly tactic and I think Spiral is accurate in his assessment.

I’ll leave one of my favourite Philosophical concepts here from Karl Popper - ‘The Paradox of Tolerance’

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Is Karl Popper related to Dr Pimple Popper on Channel 4

[Spiral]

BTW I'm posting my views like everyone else on this public forum. I'm not going out of my way to have back and forths with people. The appearance of a back and forth as being something bigger than its parts is what arises when people state their views, but I'm essentially doing no different to anyone else on this thread.

[123EasyasBFC]

How can anybody form an opinion on Mormonism? Surely we should all wait until the second coming of Jesus Christ and until then just be excited about it.

Where did I say people would form an opinion on Mormonism?

[123EasyasBFC]

BTW I'm posting my views like everyone else on this public forum. I'm not going out of my way to have back and forths with people. The appearance of a back and forth as being something bigger than its parts is what arises when people state their views, but I'm essentially doing no different to anyone else on this thread.

Not accusing you of starting the back and fourths, just so you know

[claretonthecoast1882]

BTW I'm posting my views like everyone else on this public forum. I'm not going out of my way to have back and forths with people. The appearance of a back and forth as being something bigger than its parts is what arises when people state their views, but I'm essentially doing no different to anyone else on this thread.

Amen

[Spiral]

Not accusing you of starting the back and fourths, just so you know

Glad to hear that.

[CoolClaret]

I hope those that encourage us to wait and see before passing any judgement also avoid from speculating about any possible transfers/team lineups/tactics etc

Somehow doubt it though

[Rileybobs]

Where did I say people would form an opinion on Mormonism?

I didn't. I was just playing on your plea for people to wait and see and be excited in the meantime.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Imagine thinking it makes more sense to judge something before seeing it, then tell others who are willing to watch it first how they should conduct themselves.

Some work a lot harder than others to earn the dingle tag

[123EasyasBFC]

I didn't. I was just playing on your plea for people to wait and see and be excited in the meantime.

What’s not exciting about getting to see behind the scenes of the club we all support?

[Rileybobs]

Imagine thinking it makes more sense to judge something before seeing it, then tell others who are willing to watch it first how they should conduct themselves.

Some work a lot harder than others to earn the dingle tag

Has anybody actually said it makes more sense to judge something before seeing it, and then told others how they conduct themselves...or did you just invent that scenario?

[123EasyasBFC]

I hope those that encourage us to wait and see before passing any judgement also avoid from speculating about any possible transfers/team lineups/tactics etc

Somehow doubt it though

Discussing a transfer is completely different, but if you are saying a player isn’t good enough for us before seeing them play for us then you could make the same argument then.

[Rileybobs]

What’s not exciting about getting to see behind the scenes of the club we all support?

I didn't say that getting to see behind the scenes of the club we support isn't exciting. There seems to be a lot of people on here arguing against people for things they haven't said.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Has anybody actually said it makes more sense to judge something before seeing it, and then told others how they conduct themselves...or did you just invent that scenario?

Yes fully made up, in fact not 1 post above one of your earlier posts has someone pretty much done so, so yeah fully made up

[123EasyasBFC]

I didn't say that getting to see behind the scenes of the club we support isn't exciting. There seems to be a lot of people on here arguing against people for things they haven't said.

What point were you trying to make then about me saying it’s exciting getting to behind the scenes. You seem to be trying to create an argument about something positive

[Bosscat]

More popcorn anyone

[Rileybobs]

Yes fully made up, in fact not 1 post above one of your earlier posts has someone pretty much done so, so yeah fully made up

I may have missed this as the thread has moved quite quickly, but to make it clear could you quote the post where someone has said it makes more sense to judge something before seeing it, and then proceeded to tell others how they conduct themselves.

[Rileybobs]

What point were you trying to make then about me saying it’s exciting getting to behind the scenes. You seem to be trying to create an argument about something positive

It was just a joke - basically you said that people should just be excited until they've seen the documentary - suggesting that people shouldn't really be able to speculate about the rather obvious theme of the documentary until they've seen it. I don't agree with the idea that we shouldn't be able to speculate about things until they've happened so I made a lighthearted joke about how we should all wait until the second coming of Jesus Christ before casting an opinion on Mormonism.

[Rileybobs]

More popcorn anyone

The popcorn images are getting a bit old BC, you're free to enter the discussion.

[123EasyasBFC]

It was just a joke - basically you said that people should just be excited until they've seen the documentary - suggesting that people shouldn't really be able to speculate about the rather obvious theme of the documentary until they've seen it. I don't agree with the idea that we shouldn't be able to speculate about things until they've happened so I made a lighthearted joke about how we should all wait until the second coming of Jesus Christ before casting an opinion on Mormonism.

Hahaha told everyone at work and they all laughed at your joke to

[Rileybobs]

Hahaha told everyone at work and they all laughed at your joke to

Stop lying. You don’t work

[Bosscat]

The popcorn images are getting a bit old BC, you're free to enter the discussion.

No thanks will watch the Documentary rather than argue with a bunch of idiots

[CoolClaret]

I may have missed this as the thread has moved quite quickly, but to make it clear could you quote the post where someone has said it makes more sense to judge something before seeing it, and then proceeded to tell others how they conduct themselves.

They haven’t - COTC just likes coming in with obtuse non arguments for some more mindless point scoring

[Tricky Trevor]

Has a date been announced yet? I’m not scrolling through 6 pages of shite to find out it’s not there.

[Devils_Advocate]

Has a date been announced yet? I’m not scrolling through 6 pages of shite to find out it’s not there.

Been put back until the new year so Jan 24 but no exact date

[Craigyp01]

Has a date been announced yet? I’m not scrolling through 6 pages of shite to find out it’s not there.

10th Aug

[Bosscat]

Has a date been announced yet? I’m not scrolling through 6 pages of shite to find out it’s not there.

Next Thursday 10th over 4 weeks on "SKY Documentary channel" 10pm?

[roperclaret]

Human beings are capable of forming judgements on events that are hypothetical but have not yet happened. The entire concept of a thought experiment rests on this idea. We do it so often, almost daily, and so trivially, that it goes unremarked. Your point (and the same point made by others) can be condensed to the idea that you want to defer judgement. You have that right, but recognise that you are asking that of me. You're attempting to plead with the 'heretic'. The way this is expressed by some on here has the mark of the phenomenon I spelled out in the post you quoted. The demand to reserve judgement is a defence of the church. Anyone NOT of this disposition, this state of mind, this religious sentiment (expressed through football) would, I highly suspect, be more relaxed about my judgement, so uninterested in putting up a defence of the church that they'd be not remotely inclined to bother attacking my point at all. It is precisely because people on here are so full of this sentimentality I describe that their rebuttals are so passionate, it is precisely because of this sentimentality that they plead with me/demand I defer judgement, because this premature judgement is believed to harm the church. At this moment, this is the most convenient ground on which to reject what I'm saying, but please do understand that it springs from the sentiment I describe. I think some people who place themselves above religion would be slightly embarrassed to find out they are still being led by a sublimated religious sentiment that exists in all people (even me).

What. A. Load. Of. Shite.

[CoolClaret]

Mr. Pace doing a talk at a LDS youth meeting with the Football League trophy on display…

https://instagram.com/stories/najayvcee ... BiNWFlZA==

[ottclaret]

There is a dire shortage of proof readers these days... I hope they didn't copy it from the Cup.

At least it wasn't Barnsely!

[ŽižkovClaret]

Mr. Pace doing a talk at a LDS youth meeting with the Football League trophy on display…

https://instagram.com/stories/najayvcee ... BiNWFlZA==

NGL that did feel uncomfortable. Guess its a "come and show what you do" sort of thing but......

[NottsClaret]

Maybe we're not quite ready for a takeover by gay-hanging, journalist-murdering Arab billionaires just yet. We're already getting into a tizz about a chairman with some fairly harmless if ludicrously eccentric beliefs, and the possibility he might talk about them on telly.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Maybe we're not quite ready for a takeover by gay-hanging, journalist-murdering Arab billionaires just yet. We're already getting into a tizz about a chairman with some fairly harmless if ludicrously eccentric beliefs, and the possibility he might talk about them on telly.

Just my old beliefs that religion should be a personal and private thing getting a little triggered i guess. Which again is a personal belief so there we go

[cblantfanclub]

Spiral - "To spell it out clearly, my issue (to be honest it's not so much an issue as a warning to be vigilant) is with Burnley FC being yoked into a religious film without any fan consent."

That's a lot of posts of varying pomposity for such a simple issue. I'm not sure how you garner the opinion of the Fans let alone the consent. How do we do this? Meanwhile I shall stay vigilant.

[CoolClaret]

Maybe we're not quite ready for a takeover by gay-hanging, journalist-murdering Arab billionaires just yet. We're already getting into a tizz about a chairman with some fairly harmless if ludicrously eccentric beliefs, and the possibility he might talk about them on telly.

It’s the cross promotion of Mormonism with the Burnley FC brand that I believe is out of line.

I also don’t believe that they’re harmless beliefs either but that’s a different debate and will more than likely get the thread locked.

[Clovius Boofus]

Maybe we're not quite ready for a takeover by gay-hanging, journalist-murdering Arab billionaires just yet

I'm not so sure about that. At least they are renowned butchers, so that would tick at least one box.

[Firthy]

More popcorn anyone

It's no longer popcorn for essential viewing. It's been replaced by Red Leicester Cheddars if you read the transfer thread.

[ŽižkovClaret]

It's no longer popcorn for essential viewing. It's been replaced by Red Leicester Cheddars if you read the transfer thread.

Over here we have ham and cheese flavour popcorn. Its a taste sensation!

[claretonthecoast1882]

Wait while the episode with footage from inside a bar before the match where they are all chanting "if you're proud to be a Mormon clap your hands" all while wearing Burnley FC merchandise

[ŽižkovClaret]

Mormon, mo problems eh?

[TPClaret]

He can believe what ever he wants for me as. He’s delivered a top manager playing the best football I’ve ever seen a Burnley team play.

[Bosscat]

It's no longer popcorn for essential viewing. It's been replaced by Red Leicester Cheddars if you read the transfer thread.

Oh yeah I started the cheddars thingummy bob

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Wait while the episode with footage from inside a bar before the match where they are all chanting "if you're proud to be a Mormon clap your hands" all while wearing Burnley FC merchandise

Even worse it’s a temperance bar.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Even worse it’s a temperance bar.

not sure some are going to be strong enough for this to air

[agreenwood]

The latest teaser they just released doesn’t feature the chairman or board. It’s all about Vince & the team. Maybe each episode will have a different focus.

https://twitter.com/skytv/status/168711 ... hrPAGxw_EQ

[RVclaret]

The latest teaser they just released doesn’t feature the chairman or board. It’s all about Vince & the team. Maybe each episode will have a different focus.

https://twitter.com/skytv/status/168711 ... hrPAGxw_EQ

Looks great. Can’t wait for this.

[Clovius Boofus]

The latest teaser they just released doesn’t feature the chairman or board. It’s all about Vince & the team. Maybe each episode will have a different focus.

I'm surprised that Sky are bothering with these promotional teasers, given that half of this thread have obviously seen the whole series.